Varchertine's Werewolf Game Thread

[a500lbgorilla]

If I was wrong about someone, it would be MMM.

[Hoopy]

You posted this at 4.50 am UK time

I was on the red wine but I hit the wall and fell asleep at around midnight I think.

Damn yanks.

I was drinking decent beer and watch archer, can't believe I've never seen it before.

[Keybored]

Team DAV-RED & BOOG-STR owe this game some effort this d2. In particular, BigRed. If we go 6 irl days w/o him contributing, he gotta go b4 we sink a battleship again.

It's Saturday, hopefully we'll get some good dunk posts tonight. I'm going to a Mardi Gras today. Def be toasted myself. Laissez les bon temps roulez.

[Keybored]

Damn yanks.

I was drinking decent beer and watch archer, can't believe I've never seen it before.

So this game is based off a real TV program? Huh. Will have to check it out. Is it called Archer?

[Luco]

If I was wrong about someone, it would be MMM.

Wolves

Dont

Make

Chartz

[a500lbgorilla]

lynch daven

Upon reread, the wolves are in here: hoopy, bigred, daven, baudib, wufwugy, rascal

[a500lbgorilla]

Wolves

Dont

Make

Chartz

IF I was wrong. Which we know doesn't happen.

[a500lbgorilla]

lynch daven

Upon reread, the wolves are in here: hoopy, bigred, daven, baudib, wufwugy, rascal

{hoopy, bigred, daven, baudib, wufwugy, racsal}

Baud rilla
Ong rascal
Daven bigred
Wuf hoopy

So pick from these kids.

daven-bigred
wuf-hoopy
ong-rascal
baud-rilla

My order of preference.

[baudib]

I'm already getting lynched so you'll get your way I guess, Rilla.

Why are you clearing Boog?

[baudib]

Based on your groupings, Wuf-Hoopy is always the correct lynch today.

[a500lbgorilla]

I'm already getting lynched so you'll get your way I guess, Rilla.

Why are you clearing Boog?

Reading his posts mostly.

[baudib]

Wolves

Dont

Make

Chartz

mostly, but making chartz might be role-neutral for MMM.

mostly though I think MMM would have difficulty replicating his "zomg i'm confuzzled" thing as a wolf.

[a500lbgorilla]

Boog, post more please.

I'd like to think we can win this game with these villagers: ong, bid, luco, monstr, boog, mmm, key

Keep 'em alive and walk it out.

Luco keybored
Boog monstr
Bid mojo

[a500lbgorilla]

I'm getting good villa vibes from Daven and Ong with a bit of monstr thrown in. All seem to be trying to help the villas.

I'm not really liking Luco and Rilla atm. They've seemed a bit abrasive, but that may be their normal game. I'm guessing that's the case with Rilla based on some things I've read. I didn't get that from Luco last time.

The rest are kind of meh and in my neutral pile for now.

Where were you reading up about me?

[Keybored]

Based on your groupings, Wuf-Hoopy is always the correct lynch today.

ATM, w/o enuf info on/from Red, I agree with Ong here. I also see the value of (temporarily) preserving hardworking heavyhitter villagers despite being chained to criminals. Rilla & Ong need to stay, we can contain their partners for now. I still like Wuf. So...
Lynch Bigred

[Keybored]

That reads diff from what wad in my head. Bottom line is what matters.

[a500lbgorilla]

I think we're going for the daven side of bigred-daven

[Luco]

I think we're going for the daven side of bigred-daven

rescind, lynch bigred

[baudib]

ATM, w/o enuf info on/from Red, I agree with Ong here. I also see the value of (temporarily) preserving hardworking heavyhitter villagers despite being chained to criminals. Rilla & Ong need to stay, we can contain their partners for now. I still like Wuf. So...
Lynch Bigred

This is one of the most reliable wolf tells I have seen, talk about what one guy is doing or quote something about someone else and lynch another person entirely. I think this is a policy lynch 99% of the time but maybe you're spazzy enough to do this as a villager.

[a500lbgorilla]

lynch bigred

[a500lbgorilla]

This is one of the most reliable wolf tells I have seen, talk about what one guy is doing or quote something about someone else and lynch another person entirely. I think this is a policy lynch 99% of the time but maybe you're spazzy enough to do this as a villager.

You really like trying to unseat settled villagers.

[a500lbgorilla]

Someone is being incorrectly cleared by the village core.

kudos to you if you're a wolf though, Ong. Rilla will have to re-evaluate what he knows about WW.

Some post I can't find - "Are you convinced Luco is a villager?"

.

[Keybored]

Me and Luco makes one V-V pair on the Dav-Red wagon.

[baudib]

as opposed to what you're doing with me, rilla? If you haven't figured out that you're literally living or dying with me as a villager you're as worthless as MMM this game.

Wuf and Rong accused me of was locking in on too many villagers too soon.

[baudib]

and wuf-hoopy is still a superior lynch to daven-bigred

[baudib]

I'll be amused if both rascal-ong and Hoopy-Wuf turn out V-V. that seems impossible though.

[baudib]

Also I'm not seeing any good posts from Boog really. Him calling Gabe "obvious manipulating wolf" and then pointing fingers after his lynch was pretty fishy.

that said I'm in no hurry to get Monstr killed.

[OngBonga]

Don't kill: Luco-Keybored, Rilla-Baudib, BID-MMM and win the game?

No.

Someone is being incorrectly cleared by the village core.

- ong-rascal is unlikely to make it past a day or 2 from now. Ong is too good a villager to think I'm a correct lynch, and he's a good enough wolf to fool people. He probably has 2x the wolf equity of Rascal
- I'm probably wrong in clearing 1 or both Daven or Keybored.

It's stuff like this which means baudib has to go.

He says I'm too good for me to think he's a wolf, while at the same time telling me that I've got twice the wolf equity of rascal.

This is nonsense. baudib is talking pure shit. Does he actually believe that when he's a villager, he has a big neon sign above his head saying "VILLAGER"? Does he actually believe that in this format, I am more likely to be a wolf attempting to get village cred by attacking my partner, than I am to be a villager who thinks my partner is a wolf?

baud/rilla - w/v
ong/rascal - v/w
luco/keyb - w/v
daven/bigred - w/v
boog/monstr - v/v
bid/mojo - v/v
wuf/hoopy - w/v

We're only in agreement regarding bid/mojo

I've shown why boog/monstr are v/v but people won't listen because wolves want mislynches and villagers don't care.

lynch daven

Upon reread, the wolves are in here: hoopy, bigred, daven, baudib, wufwugy, rascal

Huh? Where does this come from? Now you're turning on baudib? And where did boog go?

I'll be amused if both rascal-ong and Hoopy-Wuf turn out V-V. that seems impossible though.

Also I'm not seeing any good posts from Boog really. Him calling Gabe "obvious manipulating wolf" and then pointing fingers after his lynch was pretty fishy.

This is wolf. Wolf wolf wolf. This is not wolf hunting, this is spreading paranoia. One of my favourite wolf tricks actually, only I try to be more subtle about it.

I have a feeling we are all villagers, and baudib is lining us all up gleefully.

rescind

I'll give rilla more time, he' seems less stubborn about baudib now. I was thinking there was a chance that rilla/baudib was w/w, but rilla is convincing me otherwise now he's more open to the idea that baudib is wolfing.

The only two pairs I'm comfortable with right now are drew/mojo and boog/monstr.

[BooG690]

All I saw IRL yesterday was baudib flail and spazz on the chopping block. He's a wolf frustrated with himself at getting caught. No worries though, baudib, your white knight has arrived.

Also I'm not seeing any good posts from Boog really. Him calling Gabe "obvious manipulating wolf" and then pointing fingers after his lynch was pretty fishy.

You're kidding, right? You're trying to make something out of the GABE lynch? That whole debacle points back to you, my friend. I made a bad bold based on thinking gabe slipped with Ong. Actually, now looking back, something that YOU initially pointed out:

I invite everyone to review Gabe's opening posts in the Vikings game and compare to this one, and add in the fact that he may have slipped on the "Ong is a villager now" thing.

And that was echoed by Keybored:

At the risk of appearing to butter you, I think this point deserves this attention. Gabe slipped. Go back and read #22 y'all.

It wasn't until keybored echoed it that I paid any attention.

[MadMojoMonkey]

MMM has some explaining to do IMO.

You detailed my thought progression explicitly.

What do you think I need to explain?

I've shown why boog/monstr are v/v but people won't listen because wolves want mislynches and villagers don't care.

All villagers need to take a deep breath.

@Ong: I'm listening, but I don't recall any strong argument for or against boog/monstr as a team.
Please re-state or link to original post.

Also, we obviously care, but we have a lot of data to sift through and we must make up our own mind-brains.

One of the great lessons I had to accept in the fallout of my self-lynch was that:
Even though I'm frustrated, and it SEEMS like people aren't listening, they are. They are just equally frustrated and dealing with it in their own way. If I'm not convincing them, then it's incumbent on me to figure out what I can do differently.

[OngBonga]

I've explained. It was a villager who moved the wagon off boog/monstr. With an hour to go, boog/monstr were leading a gabe/rong v/v pair by a vote or two. If there's a wolf in boog/monstr, why the hell were the wolves not trying harder to get gabe/rong lynched?

monstr has pretty much cleared himself, so the ONLY reason to lynch boog/monstr is if there's a damn good case on boog.

Is there? Did I miss something important?

[Hoopy]

My read on wuf is neutral right now. He pushed really hard for revealing pairs and then went quiet when nothing happened which was worrying as that's unusual for him. The mega post he made is more in keeping with traditional wuf style + the after thoughts look genuine.

The private chat is not helping his case for being a villager, though neither is it wolfy.

[MadMojoMonkey]

ATM, w/o enuf info on/from Red, I agree with Ong here. I also see the value of (temporarily) preserving hardworking heavyhitter villagers despite being chained to criminals. Rilla & Ong need to stay, we can contain their partners for now. I still like Wuf. So...
Lynch Bigred

-.-

This post makes me want to rethink all that V-cred I've given key.

He says he's identified 2 wolves, but doesn't want to vote for them. Then his vote actually falls on the D2 lynch-bait.
Bigred/daven have a combined post-count lower than any other single player in the game.

[Hoopy]

Oh look a bigred wagon. I can get behind that, he's doing his usual awol stuff but his posts indicate that he's aware of what's going on.

daven went after wuf hard then disappeared, neutral on him atm.

lynch bigred

[MadMojoMonkey]

I've explained. It was a villager who moved the wagon off boog/monstr. With an hour to go, boog/monstr were leading a gabe/rong v/v pair by a vote or two. If there's a wolf in boog/monstr, why the hell were the wolves not trying harder to get gabe/rong lynched?

monstr has pretty much cleared himself, so the ONLY reason to lynch boog/monstr is if there's a damn good case on boog.

Is there? Did I miss something important?

My only disfavor for boog is the stark change in tone from the previous game.

[OngBonga]

daven's vote for gabe is really fishy, bigred is practically unreadable. That pair will need to go, I imagine.

[Hoopy]

I would also support a boog or rascal lynch.

[wufwugy]

to get massive village cred and get the other one deep.

oh i see how that works. kill yourself and your partner so that either you or your partner can win. brilliant

Wuf, do you care to share who you don't like on the Boog wagon now?

mmm and rilla.

i had been sitting on several reads with rilla. they basically amount to him subtly talking out the side of his mouth. about mmm, he was on boog and i was on mmm. nobody was paying any attention to mmm, but like jkds taught me in a previous game, dont vote with the people you think are wolves.

as for why on rilla, it's some marginal impressions that are only groundwork on d1, but he said this

MMM, Boog, Luco, Wufwugy, BID, OngBonga, Keybored - villagers the lot of 'em!

then two hours later said this

Wufwugy has been suspiciously absent from the fray.

he basically contradicted himself, while putting suspicions on me that i think were completely unwarranted and i think he knows it. i wasnt suspicously inactive because i was sleeping then had a long day on campus. not only does he know that im often gone for 16-20 hour stretches, but he had no reason to even think i was inactive in the first place. i was very active, he even said so

combine this with the fact that i respect rilla's v game a ton, and all i saw out of him was ignoring everything that happened so far. the first two days were basically about me because i had been leading in votes by a long shot. i put a ton of time into d1, defending my positions and looking for the person i thought was most likely wolf (mmm). Then when i go to bed, shortly after, rilla's all "derp he no do stuff". this stuck out to me because it wasnt true and i thought that much had been obvious to everybody, especially somebody who pays as much attention as rilla. the cherry on top was that i had even argued heavily for the same position rilla held, so you'd think he would at least notice. but apparently he didnt.

so yeah, wasnt a fan of rilla because i think he was doing things unlike normal. so i sat on it


then rolls around d2, where rilla immediately says ive been doing nothing and bolds me. baud jumps on. by this time i know he's either not paying attention or he's a wolf. by then we finally had wagonomics to look at. so i did, and lo n behold, the main person they point to is baud, rilla's partner. if one or both are wolves, fantastic. if both are villagers, they dropped the ball big time. rilla keeps ignoring things and baud keeps contradicting himself. it's also a little funny how baud said in big bold that he's owning the gabe lynch. i dont see him owning it

not a single one of you have an iota of a case against me, none.

says the guy who earlier said he didnt even bother to read my case on him

[wufwugy]

I will say it again - lynching baud / rilla in this field is absurd.

the field is not weak anywhere. bigred is always weak, but that's kinda it

[OngBonga]

I would also support a boog or rascal lynch.

Why boog?

[MadMojoMonkey]

mostly, but making chartz might be role-neutral for MMM.

mostly though I think MMM would have difficulty replicating his "zomg i'm confuzzled" thing as a wolf.

I agree with this. Is it good sleuthing? Or subtle wolfing?

I feel like it's sleuthy.

rescind baud

as opposed to what you're doing with me, rilla? If you haven't figured out that you're literally living or dying with me as a villager you're as worthless as MMM this game.

Wuf and Rong accused me of was locking in on too many villagers too soon.

Oh right, I'm worthless. Sorry to clog your thread, baudib.

[wufwugy]

Hey wuf, do you think this is the game I really try as a wolf and cash in on all my sucks-at-wolf-meta OR do you think I really want to see if it's possible to win a no-specials game?

i think you wouldnt have decided to play again if you knew you were going to mope as a wolf again

i also dont think you're "really trying". i think you're doing little. so your point is moo

[Hoopy]

Why boog?

Because his effort is less today and he hasn't done anything yet to indicate he's a villager to me. Also his wagon yesterday was made up of villagers imo.

You said you've shown he's a villager. Can you link me to the post? I'd change my mind if it's decent.

I think monstr is definitely a villager.

[OngBonga]

Because his effort is less today and he hasn't done anything yet to indicate he's a villager to me. Also his wagon yesterday was made up of villagers imo.

You said you've shown he's a villager. Can you link me to the post? I'd change my mind if it's decent.

I think monstr is definitely a villager.

I've explained. It was a villager who moved the wagon off boog/monstr. With an hour to go, boog/monstr were leading a gabe/rong v/v pair by a vote or two. If there's a wolf in boog/monstr, why the hell were the wolves not trying harder to get gabe/rong lynched?

monstr has pretty much cleared himself, so the ONLY reason to lynch boog/monstr is if there's a damn good case on boog.

Is there? Did I miss something important?

It's like you're talking but not reading.

[OngBonga]

drew argues that the wolves might already be on gabe, so how can they influence it. baudib then hi fives drew by saying drew is owning me in logic.

Only, who was it that influenced the gabe wagon when it mattered the most? Me. Did I do it by voting for him? No, my vote was already on him. I did it by rallying. Wolves could have done that, and they're likely to if boog is a wolf, while gabe/dan v/v sit there dangling like a fucking carrot.

[OngBonga]

To lynch boog, we need a fucking solid case.

Someone do it. Someone explain why boog is a LOCK WOLF.

[monstrman]

I can't really argue against lynching boog but it would suck if he was a wolf

I'm in limbo right nkw, rereading at work. Won't be home officially for three hours

[wufwugy]

My read on wuf is neutral right now. He pushed really hard for revealing pairs and then went quiet when nothing happened which was worrying as that's unusual for him. The mega post he made is more in keeping with traditional wuf style + the after thoughts look genuine.

The private chat is not helping his case for being a villager, though neither is it wolfy.

i think using private chat is wrong. that's why ive said mostly nothing. if i have something important to say, it will be said in the game thread. we have always believed that it's important for everything to see the light of day in the game thread. the private chat format goes against this.

what has private chat done for us? ong and rascal think each other is a wolf. we have no idea why because we cant see the private chat. we have no way of evaluating the veracity of their claims. but as long as they say it's based in private chat, we basically have to take their word for it. i dont want to do that, but what choice is there

then we have rilla and baud, who also cleared each other based on private chat. more shit we cant evaluate

then we have mmm and bid, where mmm said his clearing of bid was all private chat.

not only would it be the easiest thing in the world for wolves to do this, but private chat use necessarily detracts of game thread use. at the rate we're going, the late game is going to be just a bunch of "take my word for it" instead of "here's the actual case for the player being villager or wolf based on stuff that happened in thread that everybody can see"

[monstrman]

Turns out I am actually enjoying playing again.

Huh, who knew?

[OngBonga]

I should say that I'm not as convinced about rascal being a wolf as I was. Without going into too much detail, I believe his sincerity in regards to us getting lynched. Obviously backing away from that read looks wolfy, but I would still argue that it is totally reckless attention to bring myself, especially a game after getting punished for doing just that.

People should make their own minds up about us. Read my posts relating to him, read his relating to me, and decide if it's w/v or v/v. I'm not going to argue against votes for me or him, because there's still a chance rascal is a wolf, and if not it removes any doubt about us.

[Keybored]

Welcome back, Monstr.

[OngBonga]

wuf more or less just claimed wolf imo

[Keybored]

Ong...WTF? C'Mon mon.

[monstrman]

Welcome back, Monstr.

Well, "back" I'm leaving in three minutes.

Is it just me or does wuf only ever seem to pop in to post paragraphs?

Is that normal for villager him? Don't really know his meta just think i might have found his leak

[OngBonga]

i think using private chat is wrong. that's why ive said mostly nothing.

Who here thinks this is villager wuf speaking?

[monstrman]

Like why can't you just come back into the thread with something short and sweet wuf.

Who are your suspects and why? I feel like you're still on "mechanics" and it's just boring.

[OngBonga]

Last game, hoopy was a wolf, wuf was villager. wuf had a couple of reads on hoopy that were right. wuf, with his beautiful ego, would be happy with himself, patting himself on the back, pleased with how much he owned hoopy. Fast forward to this game, and wuf opens his role pm to find out that he's buddied to hoopy. Villager wuf thinks oh fucking yay, I can own the hoopster again! Woop de fucking doo! Wolf wuf thinks holy fuck trust me to roll wolf the one fucking game where I have to play villager in two threads.

lynch wuf

[wufwugy]

Last game, hoopy was a wolf, wuf was villager. wuf had a couple of reads on hoopy that were right. wuf, with his beautiful ego, would be happy with himself, patting himself on the back, pleased with how much he owned hoopy. Fast forward to this game, and wuf opens his role pm to find out that he's buddied to hoopy. Villager wuf thinks oh fucking yay, I can own the hoopster again! Woop de fucking doo! Wolf wuf thinks holy fuck trust me to roll wolf the one fucking game where I have to play villager in two threads.

lynch wuf

apparently you have no idea how reads work. all of our reads in this game are threadflow and style specific. i have zero desire to privately talk with anybody unless it's a romeo and juliet thing, where we already know each others' roles.

it's a little funny that you were so gung ho about rascal being a wolf because of private chat, but now you arent. there's all the info you need that it's not giving you any valuable information. and here we are, left having to suss out the real meaning of this lack of information

the first thing every villager should have done is not engage in any private chat. am i the only person here who has a theoretical understanding of how this game works. apparently i am, which i guess makes sense since i get to almost every endgame and i keep winning them all

[OngBonga]

It's fundamentally not how this format works wuf. The whole setup is designed around the idea of private chat, it's an extra dynamic specific to this game which villagers are using. Why are you against it? That's like saying you're against the seer is seer games. Or maybe you just like standard bread and butter games and bollocks to creative games that are a little different.

Or maybe you just don't want hoopy to figure out you're a wolf, and instead prefer to go down the "fuck private chat" road.

[wufwugy]

Like why can't you just come back into the thread with something short and sweet wuf.

Who are your suspects and why? I feel like you're still on "mechanics" and it's just boring.

you get a pass on the first since you maybe dont know how i play. i do both long ass and short sweet

as for the latter, you'll be joining rilla in the realms of not paying attention.

[baudib]

There's absolutely nothing in the wagonomics of Day 1 to suggest Boog can't be a wolf.

[OngBonga]

Shut up wolf.

[baudib]

It's fundamentally not how this format works wuf. The whole setup is designed around the idea of private chat, it's an extra dynamic specific to this game which villagers are using. Why are you against it? That's like saying you're against the seer is seer games. Or maybe you just like standard bread and butter games and bollocks to creative games that are a little different.

Or maybe you just don't want hoopy to figure out you're a wolf, and instead prefer to go down the "fuck private chat" road.

This is a solid post. It's totally unlike Wuf to explore every method of info gathering available.

[wufwugy]

It's fundamentally not how this format works wuf. The whole setup is designed around the idea of private chat, it's an extra dynamic specific to this game which villagers are using. Why are you against it? That's like saying you're against the seer is seer games. Or maybe you just like standard bread and butter games and bollocks to creative games that are a little different.

Or maybe you just don't want hoopy to figure out you're a wolf, and instead prefer to go down the "fuck private chat" road.

just because private chat is included in the format doesnt mean it's pro-v. i think it is anti-v, and we already have ample evidence to back me up. the only thing we have gotten out of private chat is players saying their links are village. oh and we got you saying yours is wolf and village

we have to either take everybody's word for it or ignore it completely. taking word for it is a losing strategy because we cant tell the difference between wolfmmm saying he cleared bid in chat and vilmmm saying he cleared bid in chat. so that means we have to ignore it completely, which means that nobody should be using it since the more they use it the less we have in game material to evaluate and the more we would need to depend up the private chat reads that we should need to ignore completely

i said it from the beginning. it is not player A's job to figure out the role of his link, player B. it is everybody else's job to figure it out and then convince player A of it. it is this way because if it's not it gives incredible wolf cover and it means the endgame consists of "just trust me" arguments

[OngBonga]

Pull some more numbers out of your arse baudib.

% liklihood of wolf for boog/monstr

[baudib]

All I saw IRL yesterday was baudib flail and spazz on the chopping block. He's a wolf frustrated with himself at getting caught. No worries though, baudib, your white knight has arrived.
You're kidding, right? You're trying to make something out of the GABE lynch? That whole debacle points back to you, my friend. I made a bad bold based on thinking gabe slipped with Ong. Actually, now looking back, something that YOU initially pointed out:

And that was echoed by Keybored:

It wasn't until keybored echoed it that I paid any attention.

This is classic deflection. Yes, I was calling loudly for people to examine Gabe. Then you make IRL excuses and say "Gabe is obvious manipulating wolf," wolfy late shift happens. It's funny because you started this post by blaming me and it end up not so subtly trying to cast suspicion on Keybored.

[BooG690]

I solved the game.

I'm sitting here reading the posts of IRL today over and over again with a bad taste in my mouth. It's another baudib derailment right as rilla gets back to the thread. Nobody's surprised. What's interesting is that Keybored-Luco BOTH catalyzed the derail with a bigred proposal. Rilla hops on Bigred immediately.

I will say it again - lynching baud / rilla in this field is absurd.

I would be happy to lynch daven / bigred if we don't lynch Ong / rascal

Ong and rascal what are your thoughts on the rest of the field?

lynch daven

Upon reread, the wolves are in here: hoopy, bigred, daven, baudib, wufwugy, rascal

ATM, w/o enuf info on/from Red, I agree with Ong here. I also see the value of (temporarily) preserving hardworking heavyhitter villagers despite being chained to criminals. Rilla & Ong need to stay, we can contain their partners for now. I still like Wuf. So...
Lynch Bigred

rescind, lynch bigred

lynch bigred

This echoes D1's:

lynch wuf

Off to bed.

Four minutes later:

Fuck it

lynch wufwugy

Prior to that, Keybored was on wuf. Rilla went on to bold me and off went the wagon.

TL;DR - Rilla/Baud, Keybored/Luco, W/W, W/W

You guys can buy me drinks after the game.

[baudib]

drew argues that the wolves might already be on gabe, so how can they influence it. baudib then hi fives drew by saying drew is owning me in logic.

Only, who was it that influenced the gabe wagon when it mattered the most? Me. Did I do it by voting for him? No, my vote was already on him. I did it by rallying. Wolves could have done that, and they're likely to if boog is a wolf, while gabe/dan v/v sit there dangling like a fucking carrot.

Even assuming you are a villager, this point is nonsensical. Wolves would absolutely hop on a villager wagon gaining steam once a villager turns the tide.

[BooG690]

This is classic deflection. Yes, I was calling loudly for people to examine Gabe. Then you make IRL excuses and say "Gabe is obvious manipulating wolf," wolfy late shift happens. It's funny because you started this post by blaming me and it end up not so subtly trying to cast suspicion on Keybored.

Yup, I had a suspicion about Keybored. Went back and dug. Suspicions backed up.

[wufwugy]

This is a solid post. It's totally unlike Wuf to explore every method of info gathering available.

exactly. private chat is not a reliable method of gathering information

pray tell what opinion of you im supposed to have from rilla? how about fuckall? the last person whose opinion i should care about when it comes to you is rilla's. and vise versa. this applies to all links.

you guys should not care one bit what i think about hoopy because you dont know if im a wolf who is just propping hoopy up for my own benefit. on the one hand it baffles me that you guys dont see this, but on the other hand it is something wolves would think

now if our links were not the same person who we had private chat with, we'd have a debate on our hands. i would still personally not use it much because all my reads are thread specific, but i think some villagers would be able to get reads in them and then after they die we would know they were serious. the way it is now, we cant know veracity of private chat since the chatters die at the same time

but even then it still has a problem with regards to keeping players from posting outside the game thread

[baudib]

Pull some more numbers out of your arse baudib.

% liklihood of wolf for boog/monstr

my original assessment still stands. 70%-75% for Boog and 10%-15% for Monstr.

[OngBonga]

Even assuming you are a villager, this point is nonsensical. Wolves would absolutely hop on a villager wagon gaining steam once a villager turns the tide.

I'm not disputing that. I'm saying if boog is a wolf, then wolves would have moved well before I did, considering the mislynch on offer.

[baudib]

exactly. private chat is not a reliable method of gathering information

pray tell what opinion of you im supposed to have from rilla? how about fuckall? the last person whose opinion i should care about when it comes to you is rilla's. and vise versa. this applies to all links.

you guys should not care one bit what i think about hoopy because you dont know if im a wolf who is just propping hoopy up for my own benefit. on the one hand it baffles me that you guys dont see this, but on the other hand it is something wolves would think

now if our links were not the same person who we had private chat with, we'd have a debate on our hands. i would still personally not use it much because all my reads are thread specific, but i think some villagers would be able to get reads in them and then after they die we would know they were serious. the way it is now, we cant know veracity of private chat since the chatters die at the same time

but even then it still has a problem with regards to keeping players from posting outside the game thread

Here's a giant post saying nothing. It's blatantly clear that everyone wants your assessment of each other and that practically everyone else is making judgments based on the opinions of partners. Your refusal to do so is hugely detrimental to the village.

The fact that Hoopy won't clear you or give you more than a tepid "neutral" response should worry everyone.

[baudib]

I'm not disputing that. I'm saying if boog is a wolf, then wolves would have moved well before I did, considering the mislynch on offer.

and you're wrong. Almost every game we've had since the Ghost Angel game has featured wolves bussing in ruthless and really showy ways, often very early in the game. If a wolf or two can get some villa cred by killing off a partner who is paired with a villager they'd go for it and there was obviously plenty of time to still move to a V/V lynch.

The fact that you don't want to consider Boog or the late Gabe voters is totally mystifying.

[MadMojoMonkey]

we have to either take everybody's word for it or ignore it completely. taking word for it is a losing strategy because we cant tell the difference between wolfmmm saying he cleared bid in chat and vilmmm saying he cleared bid in chat. so that means we have to ignore it completely, which means that nobody should be using it since the more they use it the less we have in game material to evaluate and the more we would need to depend up the private chat reads that we should need to ignore completely

That's the nth time you've mischaracterized what I've done.

I did not say I cleared BID in chat. I did not say to trust me on BID.

I posted the series of events that led me to my decision. I did not say anyone should agree with me.

You keep falsely quoting me. wolfy
You argued that everyone should reveal so the village has more information. Yet you say that you're not using private chat because you would struggle to use that information.

Clearing your partner is super hard and no one should take "trust me" as a compelling argument.
However, if you can corner your partner into a mistake, and then you are convinced that they are a wolf.... that the single most villagery thing that could happen this game.

wuf's V-cred dissipating.