Is This Situation Profitable Or Was I Just Being Stupid?

[PlayToWin]

Super easy fold preflop, flop, or Turn.

[d0zer]

Super easy fold preflop, flop, or Turn.

you want to fold preflop getting a billion to one in a 4-way with a great multi-way hand? and then fold the flop with a shitton of equity?

not sure if srs

[thelorax]

Super easy fold preflop, flop, or Turn.

can you explain your rationale here for all streets?

[PlayToWin]

can you explain your rationale here for all streets?

Last night I had been drinking, so now I wouldn't say a fold is super easy. I think I call this about 60% preflop. With the large raise, I'm sure I'm behind, but multiway it would be nice to see a flop.

On flop I would probably call (also hoping villian checks Turn so we can float), but I think a fold is better because I don't think there are any weaker flush draws in his range.

Turn - I fold here without better reads on villian. I don't like being a callin station with a ten-high flush draw. We missed the flush (which may not be good anyway) and it's not a cheap draw with a near pot-sized bet. I know we have other outs and there's no money left behind if we call, but I'm still folding.

Most of the other responses you got are from better players than me. I guess I'm weak-tight.

[eugmac]

On flop I would probably call (also hoping villian checks Turn so we can float), but I think a fold is better because I don't think there are any weaker flush draws in his range.

You do realize we're ahead of all flush draws right?

[PlayToWin]

You do realize we're ahead of all flush draws right?

Sure. Does that mean we're winning the hand? I also realize that flush draws are a huge part of our equity, unless he's got a bigger FD.

[d0zer]

I think I call this about 60% preflop

is it profitable in this exact spot only 60% of the time?

[PlayToWin]

is it profitable in this exact spot only 60% of the time?

The way I play, I'll call here slightly more often than I'll fold.

[d0zer]

The way I play, I'll call here slightly more often than I'll fold.

So what determining factor do you use to decide whether or not in this specific spot you'll call or fold? do you have a random number generator in your head?

[Stacks]

So what determining factor do you use to decide whether or not in this specific spot you'll call or fold? do you have a random number generator in your head?

I remember something in Harrington of Holdem, where he would use the second hand on his watch. So, I'd obviously assume that when PTW is deciding whether to call or fold, if when he looks at the second hand on his watch he sees the hand between 1-36, he will call. And if it's between 37-60, he folds. But that's only an assumption.

[PlayToWin]

So what determining factor do you use to decide whether or not in this specific spot you'll call or fold? do you have a random number generator in your head?

The 60% call is obv a guess. I can't back it up. I just know I don't always play similar hands the same way.

[scott_owen]

I don't like calling preflop raises that big, even multiway because you really do need to win a whole stack to make it worthwhile. I don't mean to say it was bad though, its just. A bit higher variance than I like because I feel that avoiding tilt is +ev ..this hand got you putting more than half a buyin into the pot with barely 35% equity and regardless of it being acceptable pot odds that will screw with my head.


I think the important question you needed to ask is about the flop and your plan for the hand preflop. This kind of hand is looking to bet hard on flops it hits. When you called here you sacrifice any potential fold equity, you really screw yourself by not putting pressure on any flush draws and leave yourself pretty exposed against flush draws that are ahead of you when it hits. Your hand has pretty poor equity on the flop for the turn, or on the turn for the river. But you likely have an edge for turn + river.

If you raise it to ~6.50 then your going to eliminate flush draws or get massive value from them because you have a pair. If overpair or set shoves back over the top your getting way better odds than you do on the turn and you may even get some hands like A10 maybe JJ to fold. You may also be placed on a set and scare the shit out of QQ+ meaning that if they call the flop they likely check the turn and you can take the river for free if you like.

[Stacks]

On flop I would probably call (also hoping villian checks Turn so we can float), but I think a fold is better because I don't think there are any weaker flush draws in his range.

Seriously, folding the flop is unbelievably bad. You have SOOOOOOO much equity.

Turn - I fold here without better reads on villian. I don't like being a callin station with a ten-high flush draw.

Ten High flush draw + pair + gutshot... Since you advocate folding turn, please provide a reasonable range that we do not have enough equity against to call the turn shove.

Sure. Does that mean we're winning the hand?

If he has a flush draw, it means we are winning the hands more often than he is, aka we are a favorite.

[bikes]

Super easy fold preflop, flop, or Turn.

this is either a horrible level or you have massive fundamental leaks

just jam the flop

[rpm]

Super easy fold preflop, flop, or Turn.

@ the bold,
are you serious? what do you think his flop range is, and what makes you want to fold here facing this bet from that range?

edit: ok i see from a later post that you realise we are flipping at very worst vs almost any conceivable flop range.