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Originally Posted by nnylix
Sure, you can get away from it Lodogg by just flat calling the reraise and proceeding carefully postflop.
By the way luckie, you said Hero gets KK on average 1/221 hands. Hero will get KK and any villain at the table will get AA about 1/5000 hands. That is mistaken, but close. It's Hero gets KK 1/221. Of those times, the odds of someone else at the table having AA are about 21.8 to 1 against. When you combine those odds, you'll see that on average the situation comes up about 1 in 5000 times in your hand history. But at the table, it's not 1/5000 they have AA when you have KK, its more like 4.5 percent of the time.
I understand this. I'll take that further.. facing heavy preflop action holding KK, it's much more likely then ~4.5% to be up against AA. The point I was trying to make was that, the situation of you holding KK AND somebody else having AA is very rare, and people would do much better spending their time and energy improving their games in other ways.
I've folded AA and KK both preflop once. In a satellite qualifier with 6 left, top 5 got same prize. Chip leader had me covered, but both of us were way out in front. He pushes. I have AA in the BB and muck.
NL200 on pacific. I'm sitting with $750ish and somebody directly across from me is sitting with > $1,000. We've been playing pretty much all day with each other, and I havn't seen him 2-bet anything preflop in hours. Both of us were playing very tight. I put in a 4x raise with KK, he makes it 10x total, I make it 30x, he pushes, I muck. I probably could have just called the reraise, but stacks were so deep I wanted to know if I was beat. Later I doubled up off him in a set over set in the biggest pot of my life.. about $1,400. Q97 flop QQ over 99
Personally though, I don't feel you should ever fold KK preflop barring deep stacks and/or great read on somebody. This applies against a tight, competent player, but I also don't like playing them in a way that only AA will play with you. Usually this means a huge 3-bet preflop, although I still do that some of the time, and against anyone I think might take it to the felt with AK/QQ/JJ. This has been a pretty recent change in thinking for me, and it seems to be doing pretty well.
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