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    The "accidental shootings" is negligible and has no real place in this discussion. When we're talking about people whose job it is to protect others, then for sure there are more lives saved by arming people than there are lives lost.

    I don't know how you get to a net increase in deaths by arming teachers, forcing potential mass killers to go elsewhere for their killing spree.

    And yes, reducing school shootings should certainly be a priority, like the first place to start when it comes to dealing with the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    The "accidental shootings" is negligible and has no real place in this discussion.
    The estimate i have is 3800 accidental deaths from guns last year. Hard to believe giving guns to more people will reduce that.



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    When we're talking about people whose job it is to protect others, then for sure there are more lives saved by arming people than there are lives lost.
    It's not a teacher's job to be an armed guard, and nor should it be. If my uni told me we had a problem with mass shootings at unis and so they wanted me to go on a training course and carry a gun to lectures I would tell them to fuck right off.





    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I don't know how you get to a net increase in deaths by arming teachers, forcing potential mass killers to go elsewhere for their killing spree.
    It's not difficult to see - number of overall killing sprees doesn't change, number of accidental killings goes up.


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    And yes, reducing school shootings should certainly be a priority, like the first place to start when it comes to dealing with the problem.
    Ok fine. But don't expect teachers to double as bodyguards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    The "accidental shootings" is negligible and has no real place in this discussion. When we're talking about people whose job it is to protect others, then for sure there are more lives saved by arming people than there are lives lost.
    3,695 unintentional gun deaths between 2010-2016 in the US. So roughly 670 per year. Wouldn't say negligible.

    https://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc...ction_inj.html

    Edit: Hm seems to differ quite a bit from Poop's number, where'd you see that? Those 3695 were listed under "unintentional", dunno if same as accidental.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoccoBill View Post
    3,695 unintentional gun deaths between 2010-2016 in the US. So roughly 670 per year. Wouldn't say negligible.

    https://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc...ction_inj.html

    Edit: Hm seems to differ quite a bit from Poop's number, where'd you see that? Those 3695 were listed under "unintentional", dunno if same as accidental.

    My bad.

    Your figure is right, I read it too quickly.

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