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 Originally Posted by OngBonga
Yeah ok, this isn't a sementics issue, I was wrong to say collusion is normal. Wrong word. Alliances, partnerships, mutual interests, these are normal.
eh....close enough
It doesn't really bother me, not like it used to. I just think it's somewhat hypocritical to be all "America fuck yeah" one minute then "don't fuck with America" the next.
This is like a general in a warzone saying it's ok that they shoot our guys because we are shooting their guys. That's not how it works. Again, you're applying some fucked up schoolyard morality code here. I realize, that Russia is a country and will take actions, even against the US, that support its agenda. That doesn't mean i have to let it happen. that doesn't mean I shouldn't be offended when it does happen. that doesn't mean that I shouldn't demand that my government prevent it from happening. And just because I'm making that demand, should not deter me from also demanding that my own government engage in whatever actions, including election meddling, satisfies our agenda. This is war kiddo.
when I said "if it bothers you", I was speaking more broadly. If other countries don't like the US meddling, then stop us. At the same time, we'll try to stop you. That's where the outrage comes from. No one should be shocked that Russia does this stuff. But we should be super-pissed that it was so easy for them.
It is? Source please, as this would directly contradict what I've been reading. The DNC "hack" was not a hack, it was an internal leak. Prove otherwise, since you claim the hacking has been "proven true".
Have you even been paying attention??
https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/26/us/20...cts/index.html
The Washington Post reports hackers working for the Russian government accessed the DNC's computer system
A cybersecurity firm hired by the DNC posts a public notice on its website describing an attack on the political committee's computer network by two groups associated with Russian intelligence
The FBI announces it has launched an investigation into the DNC hack. Although the statement doesn't indicate that the agency has a particular suspect or suspects in mind, US officials tell CNN they think the cyberattack is linked to Russia.
The Washington Post reports the CIA has determined that Russian hacking was conducted to boost Trump and hurt Clinton during the presidential campaign.
Sources tell CNN that although US intelligence agencies share the belief that Russia played a role in the computer hacks,
CNN reports that Russian hackers accessed computer accounts of Republican lawmakers and GOP organizations.
President Obama issues an executive order with sanctions against Russia. The order names six Russian individuals who allegedly took part in the presidential campaign hacking.
the Office of the Director of National Intelligence releases a declassified version of its classified report on Russian meddling. According to the report, hackers did not breach voting machines or computers that tallied election results but Russians meddled in other ways. Putin ordered a multifaceted influence campaign that included spreading pro-Trump propaganda online and hacking the DNC and Podesta
Trump issues a statement after his meeting with intelligence officials. In the statement, he acknowledges that the Russian government may have been linked to the DNC hacking
In public remarks, Putin says that hacking during the presidential election campaign may have been carried out by patriotic Russian citizens who felt compelled to respond to perceived slights against Russia from America
Also this..
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/10/07/...ector-national
The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations.
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