**** Elections thread *****

[MadMojoMonkey]

It's not spin to point to the situation in Europe and say "we need a better way to handle these refugees"
It's not spin to recognize the fact that ISIS's own propaganda and publications suggest refugee immigration as a way to infiltrate western countries for the purposes of an attack.

It is.
In the first case, you're spinning it to presume that what's happening in Europe is inadequate.
In the second case, you're spinning it to assume that even if those things matter and will be acted upon, the level of threat to Americans is notable.

You're saying we should wait until it happens here before we react?

If at all.

I mean, I support spending a commensurate amount of tax dollars to prevent an appropriate amount of deaths, in comparison to other causes of death which are addressed by those tax dollars.

C'mon... ~7 per year is nothing.
It's hard to look at the numbers and see it as anything but hype and cowardice.

I wasn't technically "detained", or arrested, or anything like that. I was just held in a room, that I wasn't allowed to leave, and I wasn't allowed the human dignity of being allowed to use the restroom.

Dictionary time!

I do not believe they had the right to deprive you of the dignity of using a toilet (or whatever hole in the ground passes for Canadian hygiene ).
JK, obv. No need to apologize.

Sometimes you make it so easy.

There are plenty of cases in life where you have no choice but to bite the shit sandwich and take it like the rest of us, but there is every reason to be upset when someone hands you a shit sandwich and tells you it's PB&J.

Ok you're just twisting my words around. No point arguing with you.

I disagree. This is exactly the point in the discussion where learning happens, but you can't shy away from it just because it's difficult.
So long as there are no personal attacks, there is a framework for the productive exchange of ideas.