**** Elections thread *****

[Poopadoop]

Not to be gross, but at one point in my life I had problems with IBS. And during that time I made a trip to Canada. My friends and I were forced to sit in a waiting area for over an hour while they checked our papers and searched our car. They would not let me use the bathroom. And I needed it, badly. I wasn't technically "detained", or arrested, or anything like that. I was just held in a room, that I wasn't allowed to leave, and I wasn't allowed the human dignity of being allowed to use the restroom.

I am a dual citizen, US/Canada. Should I have just been allowed to say "Hey fuck face, I salute the maple leaf, now let me in!"?

No

I had to allow the border agents to make sure I wasn't smuggling, terrorizing, or otherwise doing something nefarious to their country. And during that time I was forced to endure severe discomfort and humiliation.

Where's my team of pro-bono lawyers?

Your point being that all border guards are assholes? Yeah, welcome to the world we live in. But they didn't say 'oh sorry sir, you're from a banned country, now turn around and go home', did they?

Edit: So...did you shit your pants?

[BananaStand]

Your point being that all border guards are assholes? Yeah, welcome to the world we live in. But they didn't say 'oh sorry sir, you're from a banned country, now turn around and go home', did they?

No, my point being that if you want to enter a country, you need to accept that security measures are in place. And you need to abide by those security measures, no matter how inconvenient they might be. Otherwise, turn around and go home!

America's leader, empowered by voters, has decided that the current global climate requires additional security. If it's an inconvenience for you, turn around and go home!.

From what I can tell, most people who have green cards, visas, or are US Citizens are getting waivers, and are getting through. It sucks that takes time, and that there are administrative hurdles, but it's not like these people are being trucked to Gitmo and waterboarded. It's also somewhat their own fault for travelling anyway when they either knew, or should have known, what Trump was up to. Yes, a better implementation could have smoothed these problems. But if that's all people are mad about, there wouldn't be massive protests and non-stop media outrage.

The outrage comes from a false narrative that this is religious based discrimination. And that narrative inexplicably ignores the fact that citizens and immigrants from some 40+ muslim majority countries can still come here unabated.

[BananaStand]

Edit: So...did you shit your pants?

No, they finally let us go. After which, I dropped a dirty bomb.

[Poopadoop]

Keep drinking the kool-aid.

Also,

http://www.vox.com/world/2017/1/29/1...isis-terrorism

[BananaStand]

Also,

http://www.vox.com/world/2017/1/29/1...isis-terrorism

STOP!! Please!! My sides hurt.

By blocking refugees from several Muslim countries and prioritizing Christian ones, the Trump administration seems to be sending the message that the US doesn’t care about Muslim suffering. ISIS propagandists couldn’t have said it better themselves

This quote sums up the entire premise of the article which totally ignores that muslim suffering is CAUSED by ISIS.

I mean, what are all these refugees seeking refuge from anyway?

Sheesh.

The whole argument that doing anything that negatively affects muslims will only serve to piss off muslims is total bullshit. And even if it wasn't bullshit, so what? They can be pissed off without killing civillians. It's like you're saying that Muslims are ignorant savages and need to be dealt with as such. For some reason we need to meet them on their ignorant savage level. If we don't, then they're justified in being total pricks.

[Poopadoop]

Ok Kellyanne Bananastand.

So by that logic we shouldn't have cared about the Holocaust because it was Germans killing the Jews, not us. We shouldn't care about refugees from any civil war because it's them killing them.

[BananaStand]

Ok Kellyanne Bananastand.

So by that logic we shouldn't have cared about the Holocaust because it was Germans killing the Jews, not us. We shouldn't care about refugees from any civil war because it's them killing them.

What happened to your history book? America's involvement in WWII had very little to do with Jewish genocide. In fact, for much of the war, that part of the story was far from common knowledge.

And it's not an apt analogy anyway. By making it, you're saying that by being indifferent to the German killing of Jews, then we were empowering other Jews to join the Nazi army.

[Poopadoop]

What happened to your history book? America's involvement in WWII had very little to do with Jewish genocide. In fact, for much of the war, that part of the story was far from common knowledge.

And it's not an apt analogy anyway. By making it, you're saying that by being indifferent to the German killing of Jews, then we were empowering other Jews to join the Nazi army.

Ok you're just twisting my words around. No point arguing with you.

[wufwugy]

Keep drinking the kool-aid.

Also,

http://www.vox.com/world/2017/1/29/1...isis-terrorism

Religion of peace. Unless you're mean to it. Then you deserve death.