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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    Do you have a talk where you think Ben Sharpino is making good points? That guy seems like an easy target.
    The points he was making in the show that short clip was from were fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    The points he was making in the show that short clip was from were fine.
    That it's not rude to use the pronoun associated with someones biological sex when that's not the gender they identify as?
    Would you address a transgender person with the pronoun associated with their biological sex?

    Also why is he always so angry?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    That it's not rude to use the pronoun associated with someones biological sex when that's not the gender they identify as?

    Would you address a transgender person with the pronoun associated with their biological sex?

    Also why is he always so angry?
    No. His point (which he stated almost verbatim, so I'm confused as to why you missed it) was that your feelings do not determine whether you are male or female. Your chromosomes do.

    I would address a transgender person with the pronoun associated with their biological sex, which is what pronouns are associated with anyway by definition, in plenty of cases. There are also some cases where I'll refer to someone as the incorrect pronoun to be polite, but I never non-standard pronouns, and I never will.

    Your last question is typical of certain significant sections of the left and is completely irrelevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    Your last question is typical of certain significant sections of the left and is completely irrelevant.
    Oh cmon now. You see a little person in a yarmulke getting all riled up about knobs and you're not going to say anything? This seems a lot more to ask than to call a man in a wig 'her'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    You identify the gender of a person by the way they dress and behave. You wouldn't think for a second: I hope I'm using the biologically correct pronoun here. You'd use the one that's overtly obvious...
    You seem confused as to why this is incorrect. Savy spells it out in a pretty straightforward way here:

    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    Lots of people dress up as the opposite sex and still identify as the sex they were born with.
    Unless you want to start telling people they don't have the right to identify with the gender they want, you have to accept this.

    For a personal anecdote, I have a young friend who identifies as a man, who has a penis and who presents as a woman. He also has ass like a motherfucker and is super pretty to the point that it's almost weird how pretty he is. Do with that information what you will.

    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    Would you address a transgender person with the pronoun associated with their biological sex?
    As an aside, there are a number of transgender people who prefer to be called the pronouns associated with their sex instead of their gender.

    I think that a lot of your confusion comes down to having an idea in your head of what you've been told transgender people want without actually having substantial experience with the LGBTQ+ community that would allow you to connect with people as individuals and see that they don't all fall into this cookie cutter mold that you've devised.

    And I want to make it clear to you that as a member of the LGBTQ+ community that I do not blame you for that whatsoever. It's a mistake that a ton of people make because they feel like they want to be good people, and they get this idea of what being a good person means, but they're tragically mistaken because they try to fit everyone into a box and apply a set of behaviors to the box instead of learning about people as individuals instead of their labels.

    The discussion of whether there are more than two genders is much more interesting to me on a personal level because I identify as gender-nonconforming.


    Edit: Fixed a bracket.
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