**** Elections thread *****

[Jack Sawyer]

The cable channels comment was hyperbolic, not meant to be taken syllable for syllable literally. Are you trying out for CNN here?


My point is that "poverty" in America comes with a fair amount of luxuries.

Only if you are trying out for Fox News


Funny anecdote: I stopped watching Fox back in like ’07. I used to watch it a ton back then though, but I can’t remember why. Maybe because it was like “American News”, must be good, whatever. If I search around long enough I can find the exact date on this board somewhere. I noticed everywhere on Fox saying “Osama” every single time they mentioned “Obama” back then.


Like someone taking off my blindfold.

Easy Bernie


-what moticum of effort, specifically?

How about less war and allocate some of that budget towards education? That’s like, literally, 0 effort on every citizen’s part. 0. None. Nada.

-If you are a high school graduate, and you can't earn 9500 bucks a year, you deserve to have a shit-life.

You wouldn’t have to worry about earning that $9500 a year if you wouldn’t have to pay that tuition. You could get by with much less than that, ergo dedicating more time to, you know, your studies.

-Who said you MUST borrow all of your tuition?

How are you going to get money if you don’t have? I am arguing for the poor here. Poor people don’t have $9,500 lying around. Much less the $70,000 it would take per annum for NYU for instance.

-Who said you MUST finish in four years?

Common BSc studies takes 4 years AFAIK. Medical is like 5 years. I don’t know (and frankly haven’t heard) about 2 year studies that aren’t like doctorate or MSc., so whatever.


Or are you now taking my every word in my example literally?

-Who said you MUST get a four year degree, and a 2 year degree is unacceptable?

See above. Plus, what are you arguing here exactly? The money still has to be there per year regardless.

-Who said making a financial obligation and subsequently quitting should not have a consequence?

Kids make stupid decisions all the time. It comes with being young and ignorant. However, it’s easy to prey on this stupidity, and people have been making careers out of this. Have you heard how much of an issue student loan debt has become nowadays?

It's 2017 man, you can take college courses while sitting on your toilet nowadays. A high school graduate should really have no problem getting an education. If it means you have to live with a roommate for a while, so be it. If it means you have to borrow money, so be it (but it really shouldn't....get a job). If getting a job means you take fewer courses at a time, and graduate in 5 years...so be it. If you don't get to live in a dorm, join a frat, drink your balls off, and get the residential college experience...so be it. If you have to get a 2 year degree, then find employment that offers tuition assistance in order to finish..so be it.


Some people have to work harder than others. Life's not fair.

It can be very different for literally everybody if people stopped being so dense for no reason, at least for a little while. Stopping and reasoning, thinking with the tiniest bit of empathy for a change.


Much easier said than done apparently

[BananaStand]

Only if you are trying out for Fox News

It's good to be #1

How about less war and allocate some of that budget towards education? That’s like, literally, 0 effort on every citizen’s part. 0. None. Nada.

Obama pulled us out of Iraq/Afghanistan years ago. Schools didn't improve. You really think that we can just throw more money at schools and make them better?

Also, why are you so down on the military? Military spending boosts the economy quite a bit. There are lots and lots and lots of private companies that are DoD contractors. they build planes, ships, guns, gear, and everything else. That's millions and millions of jobs. Sequestration led to massive layoffs at these companies. How did that help anything?

If you want the government to start diverting wasted money.....start looking at the Post Office.

You wouldn’t have to worry about earning that $9500 a year if you wouldn’t have to pay that tuition. You could get by with much less than that, ergo dedicating more time to, you know, your studies.

Or.....what if college cost less than 9500? Also this idea of having "more time for your studies" is silly. There are enough hours in the day to work and go to school.

How are you going to get money if you don’t have?.

Prostitution....robbery....or maybe this new thing called 'Employment'

Common BSc studies takes 4 years AFAIK. Medical is like 5 years. I don’t know (and frankly haven’t heard) about 2 year studies that aren’t like doctorate or MSc., so whatever.

You get your degree when you've earned enough credits to qualify. Most people take four years. But depending on how heavy a course load you can handle, it could take longer or shorter than that. Associates degrees require significantly less credits than bachelors and are commonly finished in 1.5 or 2 years.

See above. Plus, what are you arguing here exactly? The money still has to be there per year regardless.

It's a smaller loan. It can be paid back easier, and sooner.

Kids make stupid decisions all the time. It comes with being young and ignorant. However, it’s easy to prey on this stupidity, and people have been making careers out of this. Have you heard how much of an issue student loan debt has become nowadays?

And how did it become an issue? This is a MAJOR flaw in your solution of 'throwing more money' at the problem. The only reason college is so expensive is because of the asinine inflation caused by government handing out student loans like candy. More money won't solve this problem. College simply has to get cheaper. That means LESS student loans, LESS government assistance, and colleges are left to compete with each other simply on the merits of the service that they provide.

It can be very different for literally everybody if people stopped being so dense for no reason, at least for a little while. Stopping and reasoning, thinking with the tiniest bit of empathy for a change.

We tried the "empathy" route. That's what CAUSED this problem. In the 90's, it was decided that college education was a "right". Hence, the government started handing out student loans like candy. What happens when a government prints shitloads of money.....INFLATION. Tuition went through the roof because the colleges were all greedy fucktards.

If these schools really had to manage their costs, and compete for student enrollment, you'd see an entirely different system in this country. But as long as people whining about how they want the 4-year, residential college experience, debt-free, and demanding their "empathy"....we're fucked.