**** Elections thread *****

[Poopadoop]

OMG look at that, parkinsons if I've ever seen it.

Absolutely. Apart from the lack of any other symptoms that is.

Stuttering alone is indicative of nothing. Many people have speech impediments their entire lives with no other neurological symptoms.

A bit different from someone with a list of symptoms that all suggest brain damage.

[wufwugy]

There's a lot more to this stuff.

Like how these weird things started happening after she suffered a concussion. And how Chelsea's apartment is a care facility. And how they said she had pneumonia (contagious!) yet she was intently close to a child. I've forgotten lots of the Crooked's health stuff.

[Poopadoop]

There's a lot more to this stuff.

And how they said she had pneumonia (contagious!) yet she was intently close to a child.

Body double doesn't have pneumonia though, so kid should be fine. Also doesn't qualify for secret service protection apparently.

[wufwugy]

Could be. I think the petit mal thing involves focusing on something.

I don't know. I'm just interested in calling a duck a duck. There is never this much smoke and no fire.

[a500lbgorilla]

Don't be this stupid.

Hillary didn't have an ear piece. If she did, and it was that obvious, there would be more photos. She had a shiny ear, check the other angles.

Yes, pooper, you ignored the blue sunglasses and instead keyed off on some gifs you saw on the internet to diagnose her with something else. Even the video where she's fainting doesn't seem to be anything more than a hardworking woman over extending herself after demonstrating a persistent cough for a few days all of which is congruent with pneumonia.

Whatever the fuck that black guy in a suit with a thing in his hand is, it's stupid bullshit as well.

Shape up.

[wufwugy]

Don't be this stupid.

Hillary didn't have an ear piece. If she did, and it was that obvious, there would be more photos. She had a shiny ear, check the other angles.

I see. You're right. I tend to not care about this stuff so I never investigate it when I hear about it. Just popping in here since the topic is active.

[a500lbgorilla]

I see. You're right. I tend to not care about this stuff so I never investigate it when I hear about it. Just popping in here since the topic is active.

She's sick. But she isn't every kind of sick like anyone with an argument would like us to believe.

[wufwugy]

She's sick. But she isn't every kind of sick like anyone with an argument would like us to believe.

There are much better reasons to not like her.

[Poopadoop]

Yes, pooper, you ignored the blue sunglasses and instead keyed off on some gifs you saw on the internet to diagnose her with something else. Even the video where she's fainting doesn't seem to be anything more than a hardworking woman over extending herself after demonstrating a persistent cough for a few days all of which is congruent with pneumonia.

Have you read anything I posted?

First, I didn't ignore the blue sunglasses, i was the first one here to bring them up. I posted links that they were used as treatments for people with epilepsy and people with Parkinson's. Also i've listed several reasons why she likely has a brain disorder, and why Parkinson's is a good candidate for what it is, based on my training in neuroscience.

Second, I haven't keyed off on any gifs. I've looked at video, and moreover, I've argued that some of those videos people are holding up as evidence for a brain disorder aren't convincing. I'm not taking sides here I'm trying to be objective.

Third, it's true you can interpret her collapse on 9/11 in several ways. I don't dispute that. I said it was consistent with a lot of other evidence for PD.

Finally, she hasn't been coughing 'for a few days'. She's been having coughing fits for years now. I also explained how that could be consistent with PD.

I understand it's not easy for a Hillary supporter to accept she might be seriously ill. I would much rather she wasn't. I'm only stating my opinions based on my training. You're free to disagree if you want.

[a500lbgorilla]

Have you read anything I posted?

First, I didn't ignore the blue sunglasses, i was the first one here to bring them up. I posted links that they were used as treatments for people with epilepsy and people with Parkinson's. Also i've listed several reasons why she likely has a brain disorder, and why Parkinson's is a good candidate for what it is, based on my training in neuroscience.

Second, I haven't keyed off on any gifs. I've looked at video, and moreover, I've argued that some of those videos people are holding up as evidence for a brain disorder aren't convincing. I'm not taking sides here I'm trying to be objective.

Third, it's true you can interpret her collapse on 9/11 in several ways. I don't dispute that. I said it was consistent with a lot of other evidence for PD.

Finally, she hasn't been coughing 'for a few days'. She's been having coughing fits for years now. I also explained how that could be consistent with PD.

I understand it's not easy for a Hillary supporter to accept she might be seriously ill. I would much rather she wasn't. I'm only stating my opinions based on my training. What are your opinions based on?

No, I haven't

I think the evidence doesn't really support her being photosensitive in the way some epileptics are (e.g., seizing to a strobe light). I think it more likely her reactions come from overstimulation in general. Note in the one video she suddenly has several questions shouted to her at once - this is auditory overstimulation, not visual. In the DNC video the overstimulation is again sudden but it's both visual and auditory (fireworks, balloons).

I think on reflection it's more likely she has some more general disorder like Parkinson's and the blue glasses are for that. My opinion may vary as new evidence comes in. However you slice it up though, sadly her brain is not working as it should.

Video, gif, who cares? You're reaching.

Whatever you posted after this, I skipped because this is too dumb.

[Poopadoop]

No, I haven't



Video, gif, who cares? You're reaching.

Whatever you posted after this, I skipped because this is too dumb.

So basically you don't want to believe it so you ignore it. And because a lot of people on the internet are being armchair neuroscientists someone with a degree in it can't possibly know what he's talking about. Ok then.

[Poopadoop]

Could be. I think the petit mal thing involves focusing on something.

A person having a petit mal doesn't respond to anything. They're basically out of it. It's possible she had one but if she did it was very brief.

[wufwugy]

Crooked's replacement:

[OngBonga]

All this Clinton nonsense is just a smokescreen to hide the real news. Shit is going down where my Mother lives...

http://www.malverngazette.co.uk/news...ern/?ref=fbshr

[Poopadoop]

All this Clinton nonsense is just a smokescreen to hide the real news. Shit is going down where my Mother lives...

http://www.malverngazette.co.uk/news...ern/?ref=fbshr

I trust you've move your mother to somewhere safe?

[OngBonga]

I trust you've move your mother to somewhere safe?

She's going to stay indoors until they've caught the offenders. I'm taking her some supplies tomorrow. It's risky but it's my Mother, I'll take my chances.

[wufwugy]

If she gets too ill she'll be replaced with a better candidate and we'll have something perhaps resembling competition instead of the crushing we have now.

[a500lbgorilla]

If she gets too ill she'll be replaced with a better candidate and we'll have something perhaps resembling competition instead of the crushing we have now.

Her campaign has been over 2 years in the making. I wouldn't be surprised if this run was about 8 years in the making, or really 10 years.

There isn't a second round in the chamber, lol

She was supposed to be finish her second term by now.

[wufwugy]

Her campaign has been over 2 years in the making. I wouldn't be surprised if this run was about 8 years in the making, or really 10 years.

There isn't a second round in the chamber, lol

She was supposed to be finish her second term by now.

Probably more like 60 years in the making.

And a crushing nonetheless.

[wufwugy]

"Squeeze my finger"? Parkinson's test?

[Poopadoop]

"Squeeze my finger"? Parkinson's test?

I think that's her body double without the makeup.

[wufwugy]

Can't repost that nasty green glob hacking gif, but pneumonia caused by Parkinson's. Doctor's agree!

[a500lbgorilla]

What is Parkinson's to you?

[wufwugy]

What is Parkinson's to you?

I'm just lobbing shit. She could have PD or not have PD and I don't care. Its her policies and her zeitgeist I care about.

[a500lbgorilla]

I'm just lobbing shit. She could have PD or not have PD and I don't care. Its her policies and her zeitgeist I care about.

She has pneumonia, and she may have trouble with seizures. That's as far as I reach.

[wufwugy]

She has pneumonia, and she may have trouble with seizures. That's as far as I reach.

just wait till we get to the catheter.

[Poopadoop]

What is Parkinson's to you?

Edit: never mind, i take it back.

[a500lbgorilla]

Is that directed at me? Do you think I have time to sit down and type everything i've learned about PD in the last twenty years to you?

no. it was at wuf

[Poopadoop]

no. it was at wuf

yes i figured that out. I apologise for getting snippy.

[wufwugy]

The sad thing about all this is that having Parkinson's actually shouldn't be a problem when it comes to the Presidency.

Sickness is the least of why Crooked needs to be no where near power.

[wufwugy]

It is not the case that because something can't be properly diagnosed from photos and videos that it cannot be evaluated.

[a500lbgorilla]

It is not the case that because something can't be properly diagnosed from photos and videos that it cannot be evaluated.

It is overwhelmingly likely the case, though.

edit, maybe I don't follow you. It could be evaluated by real doctors, and not by us, yes.

[wufwugy]

It is overwhelmingly likely the case, though.

edit, maybe I don't follow you. It could be evaluated by real doctors, and not by us, yes.

it can be evaluated by all. doctors are unique in that theyre the only with authority to diagnose, not the only with authority to make any sort of critical review. ive seen some doctors say it could be pd and others say they dont think it is.

[OngBonga]

rilla knows she's fucked but just won't admit it because he doesn't want to think about the implications.

[a500lbgorilla]

rilla knows she's fucked but just won't admit it because he doesn't want to think about the implications.

Trump will be for America what Dueterte is for the Philippines.

https://www.google.com/search?q=duet...utf-8&oe=utf-8

[wufwugy]

Trump will be for America what Dueterte is for the Philippines.

https://www.google.com/search?q=duet...utf-8&oe=utf-8

What exactly do you think Trump will do?

[a500lbgorilla]

What exactly do you think Trump will do?

Dueterte is doing an 'inward focusing' thing with the Philippines right now. He was elected on the platform that he would legit murder all of the problems and, since being elected, he's been murdering the problems. He, today, has moved to eject America from his nation.

And he's overwhelmingly popular there.

I think it's an apt parallel. An enormous personality that believes in his work has been making waves in a country by putting his country first. Whatever comes is interesting to follow.

[wufwugy]

Dueterte is doing an 'inward focusing' thing with the Philippines right now. He was elected on the platform that he would legit murder all of the problems and, since being elected, he's been murdering the problems. He, today, has moved to eject America from his nation.

And he's overwhelmingly popular there.

I think it's an apt parallel. An enormous personality that believes in his work has been making waves in a country by putting his country first. Whatever comes is interesting to follow.

The parallel is that somebody does what they said they would do once in office.

What do you think Trump will do?

[Poopadoop]

Haha, ok man I'm really really dumb. So let me put this all together for you in one post so you can just misquote that from now on.

This is not a medical diagnosis. In MY opinion, HRC likely has a serious brain disorder. The most plausible candidate is Parkinson's which may or may not be complicated by other brain issues.

Evidence for a motor disorder that may or may not be a consequence of PD:
1. abnormal motor reactions to strong stimuli such as head moving back and forth several times, eyes bugging out, etc.
2. previous history of blood clot in the brain which increases the likelihood of future injuries in the brain

Evidence that is specifically consistent with PD:
1. lack of motor coordination on several occasions
2. falls on several occasions
3. onset/offset of symptoms consistent with 'on' and 'off' states typical of treatment with l-dopa.
4. persistent coughing fits over years that could be caused by dysphagia - this could also have other causes such as throat problems
5. wearing tinted sunglasses that can be used to treat PD

Stuff that IS NOT in my opinion evidence for a brain disorder
1. Stopping and staring at an audience member for a few seconds.
2. A guy on her secret service team carrying a small cylindrical-shaped item.
3. Needing help going up stairs (unless it is happening on a consistent basis).
4. Forgetting what she was about to say (unless it happens frequently).
5. Having a lesion on her tongue.
6. Having a body double.
7. Being a target of conspiracy theorists.

Have fun.

[wufwugy]

Cigarette Butt has returned. I missed him.

[a500lbgorilla]

Cigarette Butt has returned. I missed him.

PS I don't.

[a500lbgorilla]

don't do this

define diagnosis

the identification of the nature of an illness or other problem by examination of the symptoms.

oh look

[wufwugy]

don't do this

define diagnosis

the identification of the nature of an illness or other problem by examination of the symptoms.

oh look

Jumping back and forth between medical and non-medical meaning doesn't help.

What we're not doing: diagnosing within the context of medical diagnosing. What we are doing: speculating the same way is standard for all other things.

[a500lbgorilla]

Yeah, well, that's the fun of the english language. I can slide between the two ideas with just one word.

[wufwugy]

Yeah, well, that's the fun of the english language. I can slide between the two ideas with just one word.

"Diagnosis" within medical context has a specific meaning different than the colloquial meaning.

[OngBonga]

Yeah, well, that's the fun of the english language. I can slide between the two ideas with just one word.

Like media.

[Poopadoop]

That is one hell of a long bout of pneumonia. Note how neither the water or lozenges clear it up, and her voice is cracked at times. That's because it's in her windpipe and affecting her vocal chords, not her esophagus.



ya, she's fine.

[a500lbgorilla]

That is one hell of a long bout of pneumonia. Note how neither the water or lozenges clear it up, and her voice is cracked at times. That's because it's in her windpipe and affecting her vocal chords, not her esophagus.



ya, she's fine.

Sporadic bouts of coughing is also part of your differential diagnosis of Parkinson's?

If anyone has ever called you dumb, shame on them. You're something else entirely.

[Poopadoop]

Sporadic bouts of coughing is also part of your differential diagnosis of Parkinson's?

It's consistent with a myriad of health issues, PD is only one of them.

If anyone has ever called you dumb, shame on them. You're something else entirely.

I'm sorry you insist on making this personal. But you're making yourself look bad, not me.

[wufwugy]

He was fun for ww

[a500lbgorilla]

nah, it put me too outside of things

[wufwugy]

lolnado

[wufwugy]

second best thug life

[OngBonga]

You're dumb because rilla diagrees with you. Armchair doctors indeed.

I cough like that when the bong bites back.

[Poopadoop]

Have you tried putting a lozenge in your windpipe? Or how about in your bong?

[OngBonga]

No but I do have a mountain of a black dude who shadows me with an epi-pen.

Except when I'm leaving my family's house shortly after a health scare.

[Poopadoop]

No but I do have a mountain of a black dude who shadows me with an epi-pen.

Except when I'm leaving my family's house shortly after a health scare.

Since when is collapsing and being dragged into a van a health scare? I do that all the time and I don't even own a van. No-one ever drives me to the hospital either. All normal.

[OngBonga]

The epi-pen is for recreational use, by the way.

[wufwugy]

I dearly want to believe the body double theory.

[Poopadoop]

I not only want to believe it, but I want to see it exposed in some indisputable, undeniably clear way such as the disguise being suddenly, publicly compromised to reveal it's absolutely a completely different person that is definitely not Hillary. I then want a DNA test to prove it's not Hillary.

[wufwugy]

That would be nice, but it won't happen due to the media bias. No channels would cover it except Fox, but even Fox would probably not much cover something that devastating. Fox is sorta being torn asunder as its owners are hardcore globalists who hate Trump, yet they're also very anti-Democrat.

Granted, the importance of the mainstream media is, well, probably very overstated. I still think the MSM moves the needle for sure, but a colossal amount of people get news from the internet compared to just a few years ago. Juanita Broaddrick (one of Rapin' Bill's victims) said something in her AMA that kinda opened my eyes. She said that as bad as the media is today, it was far worse in the 90s. The MSM has been in bed with politicians from day 1, but today we have avenues to discover the lies and corruption, while back then we just didn't.

[Savy]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37369615

I've already sent this thread to the bbc so that this can be exposed as the huge scam it is.

[Poopadoop]

You got me. A politician's doctor would never lie about their health... Oh wait.

"He was so terrified of his medical conditions being known that in the 1960 fight for the Democratic nomination, Lyndon Johnson aides aired the fact that Kennedy had Addison's disease, and the Kennedy campaign flatly denied it, Dallek said. His doctors later published a letter saying his health was excellent. "

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=125593&page=1

[Poopadoop]

Honestly though, what do you think her doctor is going to say if she's really sick? "You know what? I work for Hillary and the democrats, they put me in a nice home and give me all kinds of perks. And that's all going to end, and they're probably going to make life miserable for me and my family if I tell the truth and cost them the election, but screw it. That woman is a mess and here's why..."

[Savy]

Honestly though, what do you think her doctor is going to say if she's really sick? "You know what? I work for Hillary and the democrats, they put me in a nice home and give me all kinds of perks. And that's all going to end, and they're probably going to make life miserable for me and my family if I tell the truth and cost them the election, but screw it. That woman is a mess and here's why..."

No idea why you doubted my sincerity. I'd expect a bbc reporter to pm you before the end of the night.

[Poopadoop]

No idea why you doubted my sincerity. I'd expect a bbc reporter to pm you before the end of the night.

I know exactly what you meant, and I don't begrudge you it. I just have a different opinion on the matter.

[wufwugy]

She looks healthy to two groups of people: shills and those who haven't seen much of her. For example, there is nothing new about the hacking. I've watched her live have such incredible hacking fits that I had to turn it off. She's had many of these. Back before discussing her health was a trend, I thought maybe it was heart disease or something. That amount of coughing is crazy.

[a500lbgorilla]

Plus, why not focus on the real meat?



Grandmother looks sickly? Who gives a fuck.

Old allies hate her? Now we're talking.

[JKDS]

What other reasons exist for each of the observed signs? Isn't it true that these reasons are each incredibly common? Given parkinsons is apparently in only 0.3% of the US population, isn't it less likely than each of the common other explanations?

Coughing, for example, could easily be a sign of her screaming at every rally and debate. Blue sunglasses are sold at every sunglass store. Old people have muscle and light sensitivity. These are all super common things

[Poopadoop]

What other reasons exist for each of the observed signs? Isn't it true that these reasons are each incredibly common? Given parkinsons is apparently in only 0.3% of the US population, isn't it less likely than each of the common other explanations?

Coughing, for example, could easily be a sign of her screaming at every rally and debate. Blue sunglasses are sold at every sunglass store. Old people have muscle and light sensitivity. These are all super common things

If we're talking specifically about her demographic of white women 65-70 it's almost certainly higher than 0.3% but you're right it isn't rampant by any means. And as 'rilla correctly pointed out, PD is difficult to diagnose. This is because the symptoms are so varied and not all symptoms occur in all patients, and also because in the type of people who develop PD, there's often a lot of other neurological issues going on because of their age.

That said, I still think there's a very strong likelihood she has some serious neurological issues that are affecting her motor system, and that a likely (but not the only) candidate for these is PD.

[Poopadoop]

First, look at her history.

She's had at least one blood clot in her brain (I've heard also that it was two) that required hospitalization for a month. So it's not like they just cleared the clot up and she was fine and walked out. She likely had a stroke. This a serious problem not just because it causes brain damage but because it suggests a clotting issue that makes more clots likely, which means more strokes. They are almost certainly going to treat that with anticoagulants but this is a treatment not a cure.

On one of her falls she had a concussion and had post-concussion syndrome. She was seen wearing prism glasses after this, which is a treatment for people who experiencing double vision. In a person her age these facts are not trivial because the brain's ability to recover from knocks diminishes with age. She may have fully recovered or she may not have.

Is it possible these things have all cleared up and she's fine? Sure. Is it likely? Not very. At the least these are significant risk factors for current or future brain damage.

[Poopadoop]

Second, let's look at some of her behaviors. I'm going to assume the video I've seen of her isn't doctored in some way because I've seen the same footage from different sources.

a. The exaggerated movements. There's a term used in the study of brain damage which is NQR (Not Quite Right). This means you see something in a person's behavior that is inappropriate and a cause for concern. The two videos of her responding to reporters shouting questions and at the DNC show someone who I would say is NQR. If I had an aunt or friend's mom or whatever who behaved this way I would insist they go a neurologist, that is the honest truth.

There is a normal response to a strong stimulus which is very stereotypical, meaning it's the same across all healthy people. It's called an orienting response. The eyes move first and the head follows in one motion. She isn't doing that in either of those videos. Her eyes and head go back and forth and even her facial expression isn't right.

These NQR movements are wholly consistent with a neurological issue that may or may not be PD.

[Poopadoop]

b. The stumbles, falls, and faints.

Certainly people without brain damage have stumbles, falls, and faints. People with healthy brains sometimes lose their balance and fainting can arise from health problems that aren't directly related to the brain.

It's not the presence of these incidents that's concerning, it's their frequency. She is having these issues so often that it suggests at least some of them could have a neurological basis. It's not definitive by any means, but it is consistent with the other evidence.

[a500lbgorilla]

a. The exaggerated movements. There's a term used in the study of brain damage which is NQR (Not Quite Right).

Yes, because diagnosing neurological disorders is v difficult. I'm at least glad the profession knows this, even if you don't.

Can't wait to read all the other alphabetical reasons why you know exactly what's wrong with her.

[a500lbgorilla]

Blue sunglasses are sold at every sunglass store.

Hill ain't wearing corner store blue-reflective sunglasses. She wears thousand dollar skirts, and so i assume she also wears thousand dollar sunglasses. So why do her sunglasses reflect blue light? It doesn't strike me as being a figure head for a new fashion nor does it seem like a new hipster trend to avoid blue light.

Methinks she may have a problem with the epilepsy.