**** Elections thread *****

[Poopadoop]

I'm aware of who cancelled what.

You don't see Trump on the winning side of that?

Plus, you're the one giving alternative facts. if Trump dictates conditions of the meeting via an ultimatum, and they succumb to that ultimatum....isn't Trump driving the agenda?

He's not 'succumbing to an ultimatum'. He's saying 'fuck you, i'm not going on those terms. Meeting's off.' Big difference.

You clearly don't understand what succumbing means either. It means 'giving in and accepting the other's terms.' He didn't do that, he said (i paraphrase) 'fuck off then I'm not coming'.

[BananaStand]

He's not 'succumbing to an ultimatum'. He's saying 'fuck you, i'm not going on those terms. Meeting's off.' Big difference.

You clearly don't understand what succumbing means either. It means 'giving in and accepting the other's terms.' He didn't do that, he said (i paraphrase) 'fuck off then I'm not coming'.

Alternative facts: Trump says "pay or fuck off", Nieto says "ok I'll fuck off".

Sounds like he "gave in and accepted Trump's terms"

It was a lose-lose for Nieto. Masterful negotiation by Trump

[Poopadoop]

Alternative facts: Trump says "pay or fuck off", Nieto says "ok I'll fuck off".

Sounds like he "gave in and accepted Trump's terms"

It was a lose-lose for Nieto. Masterful negotiation by Trump

Let me walk you through your logic fail here.

Chamberlain accepting Hitler's demand to annex the Sudetenland was 'succumbing' to an ultimatum.

Poland refusing Hitler's demand to cede the Polish corridor was 'not succumbing' to an ultimatum.

See the difference yet? If not, then maybe the dictionary can help you out:

succumb
verb
gerund or present participle: succumbing

fail to resist pressure, temptation, or some other negative force.

You see, when you give in to the pressure, that's succumbing. But when you resist the pressure, that's the opposite of succumbing.

But in your world, Nieto was going to either succumb by agreeing to discuss paying for the wall, or succumb by not agreeing to discuss the wall. So either way Trump was going to win. That's pretty much the level we're on here I think.

[BananaStand]

But in your world, Nieto was going to either succumb by agreeing to discuss paying for the wall, or succumb by not agreeing to discuss the wall. So either way Trump was going to win. That's pretty much the level we're on here I think.

Not just in my world. The real world too. It's called check-mate yo

[Poopadoop]

Not just in my world. The real world too. It's called check-mate yo

It's only checkmate to you cause you're playing checkers. You can't defeat the logic i presented, only try to make the argument about something else.