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 Originally Posted by OngBonga
You're right that the globalist nature of European governments plays a significant role, but I don't think you're right to dismiss mountains as an obstacle for the would-be terrorist rather than a hinderance for border security.
Maybe you misunderstood me. I think mountains make fine fences.
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Imagine trying to seal the USA-Canada border. The sheer volume of people trying to go back and forth would greatly complicate any efforts.
What do you mean "seal"? The goal is for the government to know who's coming through, and for what reasons. The US/Canada border seems to do an excellent job of that. Are you suggesting that people cross in and out of canada completely unchecked?
I confess, because the drinking age there is 18, and the drinking age in the US is 21, I spent three years of my life taking full advantage of Canada's hospitality. You didn't need passports back then, but they still checked ID's and searched your car at the border.
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Um, no, I do not think so at all. There is not majority support amongst Muslims when it comes to Islamic terrorism. If you really think there is, well I don't know what to say, other than you're being more paranoid than I am when I say that terrorist incidents are a crock of shit.
I don't know what to say either. Maybe we can split hairs over the definition of "islamic terrorism", but to say that there isn't widespread contempt for the west among Muslim countries is just naive. Iranians are not shy about shouting "death to america". Maybe you see less of that in the UK since it's not specifically directed at you.
Originally Posted by OngBonga
It's also worth noting you're using the western definition of "terrorism". There might be support for, say, a Muslim blowing himself up at an army barracks, because that would be seen as an attack on an enemy's military. That's different to blowing a train full of commuters up, or driving a truck through a crowd. That kind of stuff does not have support. If it did, it would be happening a lot more than it does, because "the majority of Muslims" is a figure in the region of a billion people.
If you wanna call me out on the word "majority", fine. Maybe it's not quite 51%. But these numbers should make you shit your pants. Note the wording of the question....."civilian targets"
http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/07/01/...-extremism-10/
Look how many countries exist where more than 1 in 4 people believe that suicide bombing a civilian target is often or sometimes justified.
Originally Posted by OngBonga
This is more bollocks. You can't just say it has "overhwleming support" because that assumes the women are complicit too. Are they? Does it count as oppression if the person being oppressed supports it?
Holy fucking shit YES it counts!!! The Amish are some of the worst people going. They claim 'free will' by allowing adolescents to 'ramspringah' (spelling?) and then 'choose' whether they want to remain with the Amish community, or go out on their own. 95% of them stay, a stat the Amish seem proud of. Saddam Hussein won elections by that same margin. Was he not an oppressor?
Let's say an 18 year old does decide to leave the Amish community. He has barely an 8th grade education. No technical skills. Can't type. All his friend and family live with the Amish and provide no communication or support. He has no church. No training. No credit. No references. No place to live. And probably doesn't know how to drive. And if he does, it doesn't matter because there's pretty much no chance he has a car. What's more, there are some Amish communities where the remaining family members of the "escapees" are shunned or otherwise socially damaged in the community.
So of course, lots of them "choose" to stay. The alternative is hell. Textbook oppression.
If you're a woman in a muslim country, and your choices are to cover your entire body, share a husband with 6 other women, and squeeze out babies.....or......get buried up to your neck and have people huck rocks at your face.....which would you choose?
Originally Posted by OngBonga
You're the one using terms like "overwhelming majority" and "inordinate amounts". Actually, the majority of Muslims are normal people, who are motivated by family.
Maybe in the US and UK. But in the rest of the world, plenty of these "family men" wouldn't think twice about strapping a suicide bomb on their own 10 year old son if it served their cause.
Originally Posted by OngBonga
You're assuming male, radical Muslims represent the entire faith. They don't, thankfully. They just get all the headlines.
The only thing necessary for evil to prosper, is for good men to do nothing. My parents tried to raise me catholic, so I remember a few masses from my childhood. The only sermon that stands out in my memory came in the early 90s after some pro-life nut shot up an abortion clinic. The priest told the congregation to STOP debating abortion for a while. He actually told people to give up the cause, and focus on denouncing violence, spreading forgiveness, and avoiding contentious debate. Don't denounce abortion. Don't defend catholicism. Just be good people, back off, and let the other side heal.
That stands out in my memory in stark contrast to how I see Muslims react to violence committed in the name if Islam. You want an example, find the press conference given by the lawyers of the family who committed the shooting in San Bernadino CA. It was just a diatribe, without provocation, seeking to head-off any Islamophobic narrative. It was an aggressive political play at a time that called for quiet condolences, and messages of peace.
Where exactly are the voices of "reasonable" Islam?
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I'm so glad I don't agree with you here, because quite frankly this is a really depressing way to view a culture of people 1.6billion in size.
Yeah, let's see what tune you're singing when there is 3 billion of them and you're scared shitless to ride a bus.
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