**** Elections thread *****

[CoccoBill]

Warning, this racist, homophobic diatribe is about to turn sexist too.

If you've ever been in a relationship with a woman, then you KNOW what it's like to say or do something, with totally benevolent, or at least non-malicious intent, and yet still end up with a hurt, offended, blubbering whine bag on your hands.

Feelings don't have to be logical. You don't get to choose how someone perceives or reacts to what you do and say. If you say the n word, I know that a hell of a lot of black people will be offended by it, regardless of how 'logical' you think your context is. You don't get to thump your chest and accuse the listener of not being smart enough to understand your intent. They are entitled to their feelings, and you can choose to be sensitive to them, or not.

Personally, I choose to be sensitive to it, thus I use the term 'n word'. I am choosing to be sensitive to potential misinterpretation by presenting the word in a way that acknowledges it's existence, but pre-emptively removes any offensive connotation. Those hard g's just sound mean.

You do realize you feel exactly the same about the actual issue as us, you just choose to take the easy way out and adhere to societal norms, right?

Well so do I, even though exactly like ong described, I've used the n- and f-words to my white hetero friends numerous times. I like to think of myself, and try to be, completely for equality be it race, sex, sexual orientation, nationality or whatever. I truly believe all humans are fundamentally equal, they should only be judged by their actions. I have a deep disgust for all kinds of segregation and discrimination. However, none of that changes, or is in conflict with, that there's nothing that shouldn't be joked about.

[OngBonga]

Tonnes, but I don't see your point. If people wanted to put some context on words and phrases I use that'd be fine.

The point is that we must use loads of words all the time that can be presented as offensive to someone. I couldn't give a fuck about that, I only care about the context. I ask "what does the person mean when he says a word, and why is he saying it?", rather than "what did that word mean 100 years ago, and why doesn't he know the historical context?".

[OngBonga]

If you've ever been in a relationship with a woman, then you KNOW what it's like to say or do something, with totally benevolent, or at least non-malicious intent, and yet still end up with a hurt, offended, blubbering whine bag on your hands.

Not all women are blubbering whine bags. I haven't had many relationships, but none of my girlfriends fall into the category of "blubbering whine bag".

I am sexist though. I much prefer the company of women to men. I don't like men all that much, I think the world would be tons better if there were two women for every man.

[BananaStand]

Not all women are blubbering whine bags. I haven't had many relationships, but none of my girlfriends fall into the category of "blubbering whine bag".

You clearly missed the point. I didn't say all women are blubbering whine bags. What I did say is that all women are prone to misinterpreting the intentions of a man's actions, taking it personally, and making the man fucking miserable for it, at least once during a relationship.

[OngBonga]

What I did say is that all women are prone to misinterpreting the intentions of a man's actions, taking it personally, and making the man fucking miserable for it, at least once during a relationship.

I do find it amusing that you refuse to say nigger or faggot, yet you can generalise women in such a way.

All people are prone to misinterpreting someone else's actions, and making the other fucking miserable for it. This is not exclusive to gender, or indeed straight reltionships. It's human nature, not female nature.

[BananaStand]

I do find it amusing that you refuse to say nigger or faggot, yet you can generalise women in such a way.

They know what they do.

All people are prone to misinterpreting someone else's actions, and making the other fucking miserable for it. This is not exclusive to gender, or indeed straight reltionships. It's human nature, not female nature.

Exactly, so why not be a human, and treat everybody the way you'd want to be treated. If you know your words have an enormous potential to cause offense, and you can choose your phrasing differently, why not do so?

Not doing so, makes you an ass hole. And if that's the case, just keep it up. Eventually there won't be anyone in your life to offend, and your problems will be solved

[OngBonga]

Not doing so, makes you an ass hole.

In your opinion. Honestly, in my opinion, someone who takes offense where none was intended is an asshole. Also, moral crusaders who think they can tell other people what words they can and cannot say are assholes, especially those who apply different rules to different people based on race.

And if that's the case, just keep it up. Eventually there won't be anyone in your life to offend, and your problems will be solved

You're assuming here I go around my daily life saying nigger this and faggot that. I don't. I'm having an internet discussion here with people who, quite frankly, I couldn't give a fuck if I offend. In my actual day to day life, I do care about offending people, certainly my friends. That said, I'm also excellent at picking my friends, I don't tend to stay friends with people who are addicted to being offended. I can't be doing with moral snobbery.

[OngBonga]

Which, I'll add, makes it all the more surprising I supported Trump over Clinton. I guess I hate corrupt peedos more than I hate testosterone-fueled men.

[Savy]

Saying n-word rather than nigger whilst having a discussion about the use of the word is kind of why this type of censorship is mental.

The point is that we must use loads of words all the time that can be presented as offensive to someone. I couldn't give a fuck about that, I only care about the context. I ask "what does the person mean when he says a word, and why is he saying it?", rather than "what did that word mean 100 years ago, and why doesn't he know the historical context?".

The point was that it explains why it is a word used by people who hate people for being gay. If someone pointed out to me that a word I use in a given context is actually quite nasty I'd probably think about my use of the word and whether or not it is needed. Words and their meanings change all the time, as do symbols and what they mean. There is also a huge difference in the atmosphere between friends and the general public.

Once again I'm not saying you shouldn't use any word.

I do find it amusing that you refuse to say nigger or faggot, yet you can generalise women in such a way.

This completely. Especially when all men will have done the exact same thing in relationships.

[Savy]

Do you hate all women or make an exception for the black and gay ones?

[BananaStand]

Do you hate all women or make an exception for the black and gay ones?

Hookers are ok.

[OngBonga]

The point was that it explains why it is a word used by people who hate people for being gay. If someone pointed out to me that a word I use in a given context is actually quite nasty I'd probably think about my use of the word and whether or not it is needed.

I do agree with you here. But I'll bet that the vast majority of homosexual men themselves do not know why the word "faggot" is used to describe their sexual preference. I didn't really need to know what the word meant 100 years ago or whatever to not use the word as a direct insult to a gay man. Then again, I don't tend to use any word to insult gay men. I might use words to describe gay men, but it's never intended as an insult. I use the word "bummer" all the time, even directly to gay men, for example JKDS. Does he take offence? I hope not, but neither do I care. He is a bummer, because bummer means homosexual in the context I'm using the word. It's not an insult because I don't have a problem with it at all, and I don't think less of JKDS for being gay.

[OngBonga]

It's 2017, the overwhelming majority of the black population has declared the word categorically offensive.

No. Black people are offended by racism, and are then tricked into thinking that any use of the word by a non-black person is racist.

Well I too am offended by racism, only I think it's racist to say black people can use a word that white people can't.

[Poopadoop]

No. Black people are offended by racism, and are then tricked into thinking that any use of the word by a non-black person is racist.

It's not a trick. It's a social convention that if a white person calls a black person 'nigger' they're insulting them based on their race.

Well I too am offended by racism, only I think it's racist to say black people can use a word that white people can't.

That's fine, but you're in the minority on that one. Moreover, regardless of the irony of words having different connotations depending on the color of person using them, the convention still exists. You can disagree with it but that doesn't make other people responsible if you use a word in a way that society has agreed is offensive.

[OngBonga]

It's not a trick. It's a social convention that if a white person calls a black person 'nigger' they're insulting them based on their race.

Not necessarily. What if I call a black person "my nigger"? That's basically saying "my friend", thus not intended as an insult.

That's fine, but you're in the minority on that one.

Sadly you're right here. Which, incidentally, is one reason why racism is nowhere near being eradicated.

[BananaStand]

Not necessarily. What if I call a black person "my nigger"? That's basically saying "my friend", thus not intended as an insult.

Snoop Dogg has declared his desire for white people to stop saying "for shizzle my nizzle". He emphasized that "nizzle does not mean neighbor!"

Sadly you're right here. Which, incidentally, is one reason why racism is nowhere near being eradicated.

So you think racism would be solved if white people could say n....?

[OngBonga]

So you think racism would be solved if white people could say n....?

No. I think we're getting there when black and white people are treated as equals.

[Poopadoop]

Not necessarily. What if I call a black person "my nigger"? That's basically saying "my friend", thus not intended as an insult.

See above. If you and he agree the word is not offensive in that context, then it's not offensive.

[Poopadoop]

Sadly you're right here. Which, incidentally, is one reason why racism is nowhere near being eradicated.

Ideally no such thing would exist as a word that has a different meaning based on the colour of the person using it. But I think there's a meaningful difference between acknowledging cultural differences and being racist in the negativey discriminatey sense of the word.

[OngBonga]

Ideally no such thing would exist as a word that has a different meaning based on the colour of the person using it. But I think there's a meaningful difference between acknowledging cultural differences and being racist in the negativey discriminatey sense of the word.

This isn't about acknowledging cultural differences. This is about one rule for black people, another for white people. The rules should be the same across the board.

[OngBonga]

Asshole is a non-binary term. Just because you think someone is an asshole, doesn't mean everyone has to consider that person an asshole. Likewise, someone you think isn't an asshole, I might have a different opinion of.

The idea that someone is or isn't an asshole is dumb. We're all assholes, and none of us are assholes. Depends who you're asking.

[Poopadoop]

Asshole is a non-binary term. Just because you think someone is an asshole, doesn't mean everyone has to consider that person an asshole. Likewise, someone you think isn't an asshole, I might have a different opinion of.

The idea that someone is or isn't an asshole is dumb. We're all assholes, and none of us are assholes. Depends who you're asking.

Great. But that really has nothing to do with the issue at hand.

Try replacing the word asshole with 'someone behaving in an offensive way', if you prefer.

[OngBonga]

but it's not your call to decide whether a word is offensive or not to other people.

It's my call to decide if I find the word offensive. It's also my call to consider someone who offends easily an asshole.

[Poopadoop]

It's my call to decide if I find the word offensive. It's also my call to consider someone who offends easily an asshole.

It's your call to decide if it's offensive when it's directed at you. That's why your friend can call you 'nigger' and you don't get upset by it.

It's not your call to decide on the convention of the word's usage in a broader context. So yes, you're an asshole if you consider someone who gets offended when you use a word in a way that's been agreed to be offensive in a particular context the one who's in the wrong.

[CoccoBill]

Which other words do you think should be banned?

[BananaStand]

Which other words do you think should be banned?

Is this a serious question? If so, you might be surprised to realize how loaded with sexism the word "bossy" is.

That's one that can go.

[OngBonga]

Is this a serious question? If so, you might be surprised to realize how loaded with sexism the word "bossy" is.

That's one that can go.

"whine bag" when referencing women who complain?

[CoccoBill]

Is this a serious question? If so, you might be surprised to realize how loaded with sexism the word "bossy" is.

That's one that can go.

So you're fine with for example all of these?

http://www.rsdb.org/

I'm just interested in your criteria for labeling people for the usage of a certain word, regardless of context.

[BananaStand]

So you're fine with for example all of these?

http://www.rsdb.org/

I'm just interested in your criteria for labeling people for the usage of a certain word, regardless of context.

Why would I be fine with those? I'm not sure I understand your question

[CoccoBill]

Why would I be fine with those? I'm not sure I understand your question

My point is that if we start banning words based on their possible offensiveness to someone, we're soon not going to be able to talk at all, since humans are quite talented at getting offended for little or no reason. Poop's Committee for Insensitive Words is going to be working round the clock.

Every sane person realizes that calling a person with a known pejorative term is not cool. Using that same term in other contexts is not remotely the same thing. If I say "I abhor the use of the word nigger", am I being racist?

[OngBonga]

If we insist that the word "nigger" is racist, then nobody should not use that word, regardless of their colour.

When we say it's racist for white people to say it, but not black people, that there is institutionalised racism in society, which is a much bigger problem.

[OngBonga]

lol afro-saxon, a white person who acts black.

We use the word "wigger" for that purpose. How does that one rate in the list of offensive words?

[OngBonga]

I abhor the I-word.

I cannot say the word, suffice to say is one of the words the Knights of Ni! cannot hear.

[OngBonga]

I wanna sing along to rap albums too.

I'm in the process of writing a hip-hop album, but I'm struggling to find a word that rhymes with "N-word" that means "larger than". Any suggestions?

[BananaStand]

I'm in the process of writing a hip-hop album, but I'm struggling to find a word that rhymes with "N-word" that means "larger than". Any suggestions?

I told wuf yesterday, you can substitute the word "fella" and it works fine in every instance.

As the sun rotates and my game grows bigga
how many bitches wanna fuck this fella named Snoop
doggy, I'm all the above
I'm too swift on my toes
to get caught up wit you hoes

See....don't miss a beat.

[Poopadoop]

I told wuf yesterday, you can substitute the word "fella" and it works fine in every instance.

As the sun rotates and my game grows bigga
how many bitches wanna fuck this fella named Snoop
doggy, I'm all the above
I'm too swift on my toes
to get caught up wit you hoes

See....don't miss a beat.

Lol, this is classic PC-gone-too-far-ness.

[BananaStand]

Lol, this is classic PC-gone-too-far-ness.

Actually, most black people would consider me a terrible racist if they knew what I felt were the underlying causes of racial inequality.

Eliminating the n word and cleaning up my rap act seems like a small concession.

[Poopadoop]

Actually, most black people would consider me a terrible racist if they knew what I felt were the underlying causes of racial inequality.

Please, go on...

[Poopadoop]

Banana, how do you reconcile your extreme anti-racist perspective with your support of Trump? I would have expected your head to explode a long time ago.

[CoccoBill]

Banana, how do you reconcile your extreme anti-racist perspective with your support of Trump? I would have expected your head to explode a long time ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognit...nance#Reducing

[BananaStand]

Banana, how do you reconcile your extreme anti-racist perspective with your support of Trump? I would have expected your head to explode a long time ago.

Eliminating one word from my vocabulary because it's widely known to be overwhelmingly pejorative doesn't exactly sound like an 'extreme anti-racist perspective'. I kinda just think of it as being a nice guy.

The best thing that can happen to black people is for the economy to create jobs. That's pretty much Trump's agenda.

[OngBonga]

Also ban. Assuming complete lack of logic is banworthy that is.

And this of course is English for "ong you're awesome, don't ever stop talking shit".

[Poopadoop]

And this of course is English for "ong you're awesome, don't ever stop talking shit".

It absolutely is.

And I mean that in the most English way possible.

[OngBonga]

It absolutely is.

And I mean that in the most English way possible.

Touche. And by that I mean you're an idiot.

[Poopadoop]

Touche. And by that I mean you're an idiot.

Aw, you're just being nice.

[OngBonga]

The problem with the word "fellow" is that it means a member of a learned society, and also means man.

It's sexist and classist.

Find a better word.

[CoccoBill]

So you think the underlying reasons for inequality experienced by blacks is because they drop out of school, have kids young and out of wedlock, not some systemic racism built into the system which you dismiss without any explanation? And you think using the n-word makes a person racist? You have some balls mate.

[BananaStand]

So you think the underlying reasons for inequality experienced by blacks is because they drop out of school, have kids young and out of wedlock,

For sure. Solve those problems, and see how black people prosper.

not some systemic racism built into the system which you dismiss without any explanation?

Dude, we had a black president, and two black attorney generals running the "system". Black people went backwards. It's not the system.

And you think using the n-word makes a person racist? You have some balls mate.

using the word is a deliberate and informed declaration of prejudice. What other criteria would you suggest we use to identify racism.

[CoccoBill]

What you're saying is that it's their inherent qualities that cause their problems. How would you describe racism?

[BananaStand]

What you're saying is that it's their inherent qualities that cause their problems. How would you describe racism?

When you say "inherent qualities" it sounds like you're suggesting that they can't help themselves. Like they are genetically, or at least culturally, pre-disposed to crime. I would describe that as racist thinking.

I see black people as victims of their own culture. At least in my mind, that's a little bit different.

But as I said earlier, it would not surprise me if someone looks at my line of thinking and calls it "racist". And if that ends up being the communally accepted definition of racism. Then, I'm a racist.

[CoccoBill]

When you say "inherent qualities" it sounds like you're suggesting that they can't help themselves. Like they are genetically, or at least culturally, pre-disposed to crime. I would describe that as racist thinking.

I see black people as victims of their own culture. At least in my mind, that's a little bit different.

So saying they're culturally disposed to crime would be racist, but saying they're just victims of said culture isn't?

But as I said earlier, it would not surprise me if someone looks at my line of thinking and calls it "racist". And if that ends up being the communally accepted definition of racism. Then, I'm a racist.

What I find interesting is that you find the n-word to be a serious issue, but are completely ok being labeled a racist due to your thoughts.

[BananaStand]

What I find interesting is that you find the n-word to be a serious issue, .

Clearly you've misunderstood me. Not saying the n-word is merely common sense.

What I have a serious issue with is ignorance. Like someone saying "but Dr Dre says it, why can't I?"

[CoccoBill]

Clearly you've misunderstood me. Not saying the n-word is merely common sense.

What I have a serious issue with is ignorance. Like someone saying "but Dr Dre says it, why can't I?"

That's of course possible, but deeming someone an asshole just because they use a word in any context would qualify as a serious issue in my book.

[BananaStand]

What you're saying is that it's their inherent qualities that cause their problems. How would you describe racism?

If I were to give the same argument backwards in regards to asians....would that also be racist?

Asian people have extremely low out of wedlock birth and school drop out rates relative to their proportion of the population.

Is it racist to cite a strong family unit as an underlying cause of Asians' prosperity? If not, then doesn't it follow that a weakened family structure might be the underlying cause of another group's lack of prosperity?

[CoccoBill]

If I were to give the same argument backwards in regards to asians....would that also be racist?

Asian people have extremely low out of wedlock birth and school drop out rates relative to their proportion of the population.

Is it racist to cite a strong family unit as an underlying cause of Asians' prosperity? If not, then doesn't it follow that a weakened family structure might be the underlying cause of another group's lack of prosperity?

Citing statistics, if they're accurate, is neutral by default, but can of course also be done in a discriminatory way. The race in question makes absolutely no difference, at least to me.

[wufwugy]

What you're saying is that it's their inherent qualities that cause their problems. How would you describe racism?

FWIW those types of things aren't inherent to being black but are descriptions regarding the demographic.

[OngBonga]

I don't think banana is racist. I don't think he's wrong in his analysis either, although I do think he's wrong when he rejects what he calls the "predominant narrative". I think that there are plenty of reasons why white people prosper more than black people; some are cultural, some are prejudices.

[OngBonga]

What I have a serious issue with is ignorance. Like someone saying "but Dr Dre says it, why can't I?"

This isn't ignorance, not on my part. I already know why Dr Dre can say it but I can't. I just happen to feel that the answer is more racist than simply saying a word.

[Poopadoop]

I already know why Dr Dre can say it but I can't. I just happen to feel that the answer is more racist than simply saying a word.

Do you think the word 'nigger' has the same connotation when Dr. Dre says it as when the grand wizard of the KKK says it?

[OngBonga]

Do you think the word 'nigger' has the same connotation when Dr. Dre says it as when the grand wizard of the KKK says it?

No, but the right to say it, or the onus to not say it, is equal.

[Poopadoop]

No, but the right to say it, or the onus to not say it, is equal.

So, if there were a Russian word 'fuckov' that meant 'a book', I should be able to use it in any library or bookstore around the world?

"What would you like sir?' 'Fuckov'. But since I can't do that without offending librarians and booksellers, it proves the world is anti-Russian?

The fact that black people have a different dialect than white people is not evidence of racism any more than two languages having different meanings for words that sound the same is evidence of them being intolerant of each other. The word means different things depending on who's saying it.

[Poopadoop]

So Ong when you say the word 'pavement' where I would say 'sidewalk' are we both being intolerant of each other's native countries?

And if not, when a black person says 'nigger' where a white person would say 'dude' (or 'mate') how is that racist?

[OngBonga]

So Ong when you say the word 'pavement' where I would say 'sidewalk' are we both being intolerant of each other's native countries?

And if not, when a black person says 'nigger' where a white person would say 'dude' (or 'mate') how is that racist?

What? How is this analogy even remotely applicable? Are you suggesting it's ok for you to say "sidewalk" but not other people? No, so it's not a fitting analogy.

[Poopadoop]

What? How is this analogy even remotely applicable? Are you suggesting it's ok for you to say "sidewalk" but not other people? No, so it's not a fitting analogy.

Have you tried saying 'sidewalk' here? It sure seems to bother people.

[Poopadoop]

Also, aren't you the one who gets upset when someone uses American spellings, like 'favor'? I guess that makes you racist.

[OngBonga]

We're not talking about a mistranslation here, or a word that means doggie in one language and cuntingfuckshit in another. We're talking about a word that means the same to both.

If a black person says "hey, what's up my nigger?", and a white person says "hey what's up my nigger", then it means the same thing.

To say that nigger de facto means something else than I intended because I am white, there's your racism, I am being treated differently because of the colour of my skin.

Also, aren't you the one who gets upset when someone uses American spellings, like 'favor'? I guess that makes you racist.

No, I'm xenophobic, not racist. There's a distinct difference between the two. Americans aren't a race of people, are they?

[OngBonga]

If you think that phrase means the exact same thing regardless of who says it to whom you are mistaken.

Of course it doesn't. It can mean one thing when I say it, and something completely different when my brother says it.

You're assuming it means the same to all black people, and something else the same to all white people. You're essentially saying that the colour of one's skin determines the context of the word.

[Poopadoop]

Of course it doesn't. I can mean one thing when I say it, and something completely different when my brother says it.

How the meaning is defined depends on the context, which includes things outside of the colour of the person's skin. Your tone of voice, body language, age, sex, etc., can all contribute to the meaning. As does the interpretation of the listener.

There is a sociocultural understanding of how these things all contribute to language, which is what I mean by a convention. We would all agree, for example, that saying 'fuck off' to a stranger is offensive, regardless of color, tone, body language, etc.

You're assuming it means the same to all black people, and something else the same to all white people. You're essentially saying that the colour of one's skin determines the context of the word.

Never said it has to mean the same to all black people. But my understanding is what I've said before: A black person using that word when speaking to another black person can do so without any implied racism. This is somewhat logical since most people aren't racist against their own race. A white person can use it when speaking to another white person without any implied racism because they are both of the same race and the same reasoning applies. But when a white person says it to a black person then (depending on other elements of the context) it often has a racist connotation.

[Poopadoop]

It's kind of like if you and wuf started calling each other 'cracker' all the time. In the context of two (presumably) white people speaking to each other the word takes on a different meaning than if a black person on here called you 'cracker'. In the context of you and wuf the word 'cracker' would be much closer to 'brother' in meaning than to 'dickhead of another race', since obviously the latter meaning makes no sense when both the speaker and the listener are of the same race.

[CoccoBill]

It's kind of like if you and wuf started calling each other 'cracker' all the time. In the context of two (presumably) white people speaking to each other the word takes on a different meaning than if a black person on here called you 'cracker'. In the context of you and wuf the word 'cracker' would be much closer to 'brother' in meaning than to 'dickhead of another race', since obviously the latter meaning makes no sense when both the speaker and the listener are of the same race.

Should I, as a white guy, be insulted if they call each other crackers?

[OngBonga]

Should I, as a white guy, be insulted if they call each other crackers?

Only if myself and wuf are both black.

[Poopadoop]

Should I, as a white guy, be insulted if they call each other crackers?

That's up to you to decide. It's not my place to tell you if and when and why you should be offended.

[OngBonga]

Never said it has to mean the same to all black people. But my understanding is what I've said before: A black person using that word when speaking to another black person can do so without any implied racism. This is somewhat logical since most people aren't racist against their own race. A white person can use it when speaking to another white person without any implied racism because they are both of the same race and the same reasoning applies. But when a white person says it to a black person then (depending on other elements of the context) it often has a racist connotation.

How about if a black person says it to a white person?

[wufwugy]

Another avenue for the fake news claim on the MSM is that they choose to only report a part of the story. Example, their coverage of the riots today are guaranteed to be very different than, say, Cernovich's. I'm not even interested in seeing how the MSM covers it because I've seen this happen hundreds of times before. Because I consume a lot of alternative media, I see a very large quantity of things that the MSM do not cover, and the pattern is always curiously the same (hint: their narrative).

Or here's another example: how many times have you seen the MSM cover mass shootings? Dozens. How many times have you seen the MSM cover thwarted mass shootings by conceal or open carriers? Zero. How many times have likely potential mass shootings been thwarted by those carriers in the last year? Sheeeeiiiiiiiiiiit I've seen maybe a half a dozen stories alone and I don't look for them. The number is very significant. The MSM only covers firearms in a way that fits their narrative about guns. If this doesn't qualify as fake news, I'm a little baffled.

Another example: I have seen what is probably over a hundred instances of violent crime against Trump supporters during this election cycle. What was the MSM reporting on them? Virtually non-existent and totally marginalizing. Some were very big and very violent too.

[wufwugy]

I remember a chick who got her face badly beaten by two thugs that appeared Mexican because she was trying to keep them from vandalizing her Trump yard sign. The coverage by the MSM was very meager even though it has the graphic shit they adore. Could you imagine if this was two hillbilly white men attacking a Mexican woman protecting her Clinton yard sign? Stop the fucking presses. It would have been wall to wall coverage about how evil Trump is and how evil his supporters are for about a week. The story would have entered the national zeitgeist and lingered for years.

This is highly sophisticated fakery. They don't make up stories in the micro, but they make up perceived reality in the macro.