**** Elections thread *****

[OngBonga]

I don't like democracy but I don't have any better ideas of how to determine governments.

I'm curious why you don't like democracy. I'm no fan of what we call democracy, and it seems worse in the States than it does here in the UK, but at its roots democracy is surely the only civilised way to ensure the people accept the government.

What other options are there? What makes you think that the masses would accept a different system?

[Savy]

I'm curious why you don't like democracy. I'm no fan of what we call democracy, and it seems worse in the States than it does here in the UK, but at its roots democracy is surely the only civilised way to ensure the people accept the government.

What other options are there? What makes you think that the masses would accept a different system?

Why should my life be governed by other peoples stupid opinions? It should be governed by my stupid ones.

[OngBonga]

Why should my life be governed by other peoples stupid opinions? It should be governed by my stupid ones.

Good answer, that really explains why democracy is bad.

Why should anyone else be governed by your stupid opinions?

I can accept no democracy if you want to talk about anarchy, but that is a lack of government, rather than a government without a popular mandate. Where a government exists, well I don't see how it can be considered fair, and thus be respected by the masses, if it's not the result of a common vote.

Why should I abide by law if the lawmakers are placing themselves into a position of power, instead of being put into place by the commoners?

[Savy]

Why should anyone else be governed by your stupid opinions?

They shouldn't.

For example say you're part of a weird group that thinks wearing shoes is against some imaginary creatures will and that group just happens to be 75% of the population. Should that mean no one can wear shoes? Probably not.

I'm clearly just still angry from when I last walked to the shop on Sunday to find it was closed.

[Poopadoop]

It's hard to think of a better alternative than democracy for keeping the citizenry reasonably happy. When you give the people what they've (collectively) asked for, there's little room for them to dispute the process of selecting a government. That of course assumes a true democracy where all votes contribute equally.

Also, I acknowledge politicians are capable of mispresenting their intentions, so to say people get what they ask for is a bit too simplistic. But generally, you should have a pretty good idea of what kind of things (say) Trump vs. Clinton are likely to do if they get elected.

Anarchy would just be primitive chaos. Sure it might be fun for the first couple weeks until someone decides to stick a bullet in you because they don't like your haircut. There has to be some kind of law and order, we can't just let people run amok.

[wufwugy]

I'm curious why you don't like democracy. I'm no fan of what we call democracy, and it seems worse in the States than it does here in the UK, but at its roots democracy is surely the only civilised way to ensure the people accept the government.

What other options are there? What makes you think that the masses would accept a different system?

I don't know of any better system of determining government. I do, however, know of a better system at determining the makeup of society: less/no government.

[OngBonga]

I don't know of any better system of determining government. I do, however, know of a better system at determining the makeup of society: less/no government.

No government?

Such a system has a name.

[wufwugy]

No government?

Such a system has a name.

I try to make a distinction between a popular consideration of anarchy in a lack of rules and anarcho-capitalism, where rules exist just not created by initiated-violence-monopolies.