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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    If you go back and read what Keith said, it was implied that marijuana was not a victimless crime because it impairs people's driving.

    But it's not selling the drug that causes the victims, it's the people using it irresponsibly. If you want to argue marijuana should be illegal because someone could get hurt by using it irresponsibly, logically you'd have to also ban not just alcohol, but pretty much everything from power tools to food processors to cars for the same reason.
    WHy don't you actually read what i said instead of trying to put a spin on it. Weed impairs your judgement , reaction speed so that if you smoke weed or have some alcohol your driving is impaired. If you have a crash as a result it may result in victims. All of my points were directed at Ong assertion that growing and selling cannabis was a victimless crime. I pointed out where that action of growing and selling cannabis could result in victims. In the uk drug driving is taken just as seriously by traffic police as drink driving and the cops now have a test for it.If the drugs weren't grown/sold originally , the purchasers wouldn't have caused those victims.

    Everyone knows that they shouldn't drink and drive, even though alcohol is legal, not many realise that they shouldn't drive under the influence of drugs and thats where your logic falls down .People using power tools , food processors would typically be using them without their judgement being impaired through drink and/or drugs.

    whats surprised me is that there's been no comments directed at the second part regarding supplying heroin because there's a demand , or keeping sex slaves to satisfy the demand for sex
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    I did read what you said Keith and while I appreciated the point you're trying to make, I also wanted to point out what I thought was the flaw in one bit of your reasoning, specifically here:

    Quote Originally Posted by Keith View Post
    If the drugs weren't grown/sold originally , the purchasers wouldn't have caused those victims.
    If you're going to define a producer's responsibility for their product as being dependent on what the purchaser does with the product, selling anything can be argued to be potentially dangerous and to cause victims. By your logic, if I sell a steak knife to someone who then goes and stabs someone, I'm responsible for the victim of that crime because it wouldn't have happened if I hadn't sold him that steak knife. Never mind that I didn't tell him to do that with it, he did and so now it's my fault for facilitating his behavior. Similarly, if I sell a power tool to some fool who cuts his arm off with it, I'm responsible for that too cause he wouldn't have cut his arm off if i hadn't sold him the tool.

    It's not Ong's fault if someone abuses what he's selling them or is ignorant of its effects. And if it is, it's equally the shopkeeper's fault for selling me wine if I go out and run someone over while pissed on it. Or the hardware store owner's fault for selling me the power saw, etc. etc.
  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by Keith View Post
    whats surprised me is that there's been no comments directed at the second part regarding supplying heroin because there's a demand , or keeping sex slaves to satisfy the demand for sex
    I'd have to say selling heroin is a victimless crime too by my definition, whereas keeping sex slaves is not since the slaves themselves are people being directly harmed in the transaction.
  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by Keith View Post
    whats surprised me is that there's been no comments directed at the second part regarding supplying heroin because there's a demand , or keeping sex slaves to satisfy the demand for sex
    Ok well if you want to talk about supply and demand, yeah well as long as noone is getting hurt against their will, I really don't give a fuck about heroin or the sex trade. It exists and is not going away, so it should be legal and regulated to ensure safety for all who indulge in these kind of things.

    *edit - I read sex trade and not sex slave... obviously sex slavery is fucking awful, I have no idea how this compares to the growing of weed.

    keith you live in another world to me.
    Last edited by OngBonga; 09-29-2016 at 08:11 PM.
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    ongies gonna ong

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