Varchertine's Werewolf Game Thread

[Luco]

And this is why I won't bat an eye if you flip villager.

You mean you will bat an eye right?

[monstrman]

I don't see his contribution today as less interested. He's right in the thick of it.

Oh yeah that's partly why I'm feeling like he's more likely a villager now, toi. I meant at the beginning of the game I definitely got that disinterested vibe from him and I guess I just often attribute that to wolfiness.

Prolly a leak

[BankItDrew]

You mean you will bat an eye right?

No.

Even if you're a villager, lynching you is the right decision because you haven't contributed anything.

It's not about being results oriented. It's about making the right decision with the information we have.

[Luco]

Oh yeah that's partly why I'm feeling like he's more likely a villager now, toi. I meant at the beginning of the game I definitely got that disinterested vibe from him and I guess I just often attribute that to wolfiness.

Prolly a leak

I don't think he's a villager. But him and rilla are two of the three most game solvey people d2, it would be madness to lynch them in this field

[a500lbgorilla]

Messing with you is more fun.

Villagers:
Ongbonga - I think I tone read him better than anyone and I read V this time around
Wufwugy - I believe he was being sincere about his argument for reveal
Baudib - I believe he is honest about not being as interested this game and I think a small part of that is because he's a villager
a500lbgorilla - He was the first player to side with me on the reveal topic

Fence:
Monstrman
LilRascal
Hoppy
Bigred
Keybored
Daven
MMM - His late D1 voting and "I'll protect gabe" stuff has me second guessing myself

Wolves:
Boog - Voting patterns and mentions earlier
Luco - Simple gut feeling

Wuf was definitely being sincere in his argument, but it's role neutral for him. It would be like, if somehow an aspect of the game could be described in terms of free market economics, he would be able to go on and on about it without concern for his role.

[Luco]

I'm good with rascal or Daven today.

[a500lbgorilla]

Not wolves: BID, Ong


Likely not wolves: Luco, MMM, Baudib, keybored


Fuck 'em: bigred, boog, hoopy, monstr, rascal, daven, wuf

[wufwugy]

bomb threat on campus. car parked next to building, probably suspicious package inside as the campus is cleared and they sectioned the whole thing off as we were leaving

had a bomb threat on the sister campus like two weeks ago. i think a guy may have been arrested on campus over it, but im not sure if that was the reason

have free time today now so can actually thoroughly read through the last ten pages

[monstrman]

I don't think he's a villager. But him and rilla are two of the three most game solvey people d2, it would be madness to lynch them in this field

...what? How can you think baudib is game solvey and not likely to be a villager?

[Luco]

Wuf was definitely being sincere in his argument, but it's role neutral for him. It would be like, if somehow an aspect of the game could be described in terms of free market economics, he would be able to go on and on about it without concern for his role.

All the stances on reveal are fairly role neutral because it's a safe topic of discussion.

I agree with this.

[Luco]

...what? How can you think baudib is game solvey and not likely to be a villager?

I have seen him drive thought and lead as a wolf. His play this game is similar to the wolf game where I was cursed and he topped the post count with his pondering.

And I disagree with most of his wolf picks.

[BankItDrew]

Wuf was definitely being sincere in his argument, but it's role neutral for him. It would be like, if somehow an aspect of the game could be described in terms of free market economics, he would be able to go on and on about it without concern for his role.

Hard to argue with this.

It just blows having to grasp at straws in early-game.

[baudib]

Baudib I don't think I have ever disagreed with you as much as I have this game.

once again, we've never been villagers together except for a half a game day in the Anon game, so you have literally no baseline to compare (if you're a villager).

[baudib]

Yes please give me village cred. Pleeeeease. I'll use it to get my buddy lynched. Noone would ever expect a wolf to do that.

these are nothing but empty words while you continue to vote for a villager.

if you were a wolf in this spot and know rascal is a villager, then offering to off yourself to get rid of 3 villagers is a +EV gambit

problem is I think you're a villager and you're still taking a really low EV line here.

[BankItDrew]

problem is I think you're a villager and you're still taking a really low EV line here.

WW aside,

You should be pushing small edges, not matter how small.

[bigred]

I want to lynch luco or boog this day. Preferably luco.

[Hoopy]

I'm going to post while extremely drunk tonight. Trust me on this.

I will be joining you in this fine endeavor sir.

[MadMojoMonkey]

I had given up at that point, to be honest.

Last game when you were on the block on D1, you were in at deadline to make a clutch vote (Same time as Luco, but he got all the cred.).

Why you give up this time?

[Hoopy]

I want to lynch luco or boog this day. Preferably luco.

Why didn't you vote for anyone yesterday?

[MadMojoMonkey]

Wait... maybe you weren't on the block? Either way, you were there at deadline... making waves.

[MadMojoMonkey]

@Hoopy: Your read on wuf is of utmost importance this day.

[baudib]

@Hoopy: Your read on wuf is of utmost importance this day.

+1, this so much

[Luco]

What about wuf's read on hoopy?

[Hoopy]

I kinda thought boog and I were gonna die so I didn't really care. A lot of the thread seemed pretty convinced that he was a wolf so I figured my time here was done. I don't really feel a need to vote to survive here if you guys think he's wolfing.

Vanishing about 9 hours before the deadline is actually a non-wolf thing to do in that spot with this setup. Voting was quite close.

Are you based in the US?

[baudib]

Monstr's a villager almost always here -- this makes the Boog lynch significantly less appealing.

[Luco]

Monstr's a villager almost always here -- this makes the Boog lynch significantly less appealing.

At last we agree on something

[MadMojoMonkey]

What about wuf's read on hoopy?

I've practically begged wuf for reads already, but obv. it's relevant what he thinks of Hoopy.

It's just that wuf's already said he's less likely to vote for Hoopy 'cause % sign. Add that onto his sporadic flip-flopping and I'm not sure what he could say besides a full condemnation of Hoopy that I will be able to put much stock in.

[Hoopy]

@Hoopy: Your read on wuf is of utmost importance this day.

I hoping my read will develop as the day goes on. At the moment it is neutral.

[Hoopy]

@MMM

Can you please post your graph again, but with the players paired up? Leaving off the unpaired people.

[BankItDrew]

@MMM

Can you please post your graph again, but with the players paired up? Leaving off the unpaired people.

Best Hoopy post of the game.

Great idea. It would be very helpful.

Oh wait... some players refuse to tell us their partners.

[monstrman]

Vanishing about 9 hours before the deadline is actually a non-wolf thing to do in that spot with this setup. Voting was quite close.

Are you based in the US?

Yeah.

[Hoopy]

I find it interesting that the only outed pairs that are voting the same are Gabe-Rong.

Something about this just feels off.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Right now, I want to

lynch boog

Mostly for tone reasons I've noted in prior posts, and also for the unfulfilled promise he made "in transit."
Plus BID likes it, and gabe told me to. (mostly kidding, but there's some weight to it)

***
I think key will prove himself today. He's def. out of his spaz zone that has reared up in recent games (He's been V). So he's plugged in this game... is it wolfy key? (Jibbers Crabst, don't take this as an invitation to spaz... I don't think it helped you except to protect village PRs, which there are none in this game.)

Every time I decide to read Ong as V, then do so, I feel like I'm just asking for a gut-punch. Still have him as V, though. If Ong is W this game, then much as I respect him (and I do), it's not nearly enough. I mean if Ong is W, then he's really taken his game to the next level in a matter of weeks.

I'm coming around on Luco. I think he's earned his way to neutral.

[MadMojoMonkey]

@MMM

Can you please post your graph again, but with the players paired up? Leaving off the unpaired people.

I can. I have to run errands today and I have a dinner thing tonight.

It's all in an Excel sheet that I've slowly been updating every game... and the addition of that VC graph is new and still clunky to change.

I'll need to create a ... blah blah blah ...

Yeah, I can do that... but I can't just pop it up in the next few minutes... maybe not even hours... but def. before EOD.

***
You want to see just the known pairs, and how many votes they had throughout?
So I'm omitting bigred, daven, key and Luco entirely?

[MadMojoMonkey]

Turns out A + B is pretty easy in Excel.

[Luco]

The chart is part of the reason mojo is clear. Wolves don't make charts.

Boogs last post of d1 felt kinda natural and not deathrolly imo. I want to hear more from him today

Monstr I think is v based on the name slips and a couple of other things. He's also low key though

Wuf I also have leaning v but admittedly this is more style based than substance based

Hoopy has been better today but I want to shelve him today for meta reasons - he showed a lack of stamina as a wolf last game so it may be best to just see if he can keep pace for a few days

I like the rascal lynch because Ong does. Without talking about private chat I think we have to lend some weight when someone says trust me my partner is wolfin. I already had rascal on the radar before this anyways, nothing he said d1 was as villa as his first game

[baudib]

The chart is part of the reason mojo is clear. Wolves don't make charts.

Boogs last post of d1 felt kinda natural and not deathrolly imo. I want to hear more from him today

Monstr I think is v based on the name slips and a couple of other things. He's also low key though

Wuf I also have leaning v but admittedly this is more style based than substance based

Hoopy has been better today but I want to shelve him today for meta reasons - he showed a lack of stamina as a wolf last game so it may be best to just see if he can keep pace for a few days

I like the rascal lynch because Ong does. Without talking about private chat I think we have to lend some weight when someone says trust me my partner is wolfin. I already had rascal on the radar before this anyways, nothing he said d1 was as villa as his first game

alright this is a good post from you even if I disagree with a bunch of it.

I'd honestly rather not lynch Rascal today just because Ong is going to be the most likely villagery person to figure this game out mechanically.

i'm still probably only lynching Wuf-Boog today.

[wufwugy]

okay this turned out to be a huge ass post, so bear with





now that we have two deaths under our belt, we can actually do stuff. initial review of wagonomics shows me getting to 4 within the first couple of posts and not getting any lower until i rammed everybody's head against the wall. it was only after i demonstrated that i had been at 5 votes for the whole day and nobody else had been higher than 2 and most votes were either spread out in 1 or absent. even mmm had to drop off my wagon after that.

then near the eod it went to boog rapidly then just as rapid a drop off and onto gabe and baud. but then boog resurged. very eod had gabe edging out boog

i am obviously the most lynchbaity player in this game. merely minutes into it and i had 4 votes. count it, fucking 4. it took me raising hell to get below 4. i was accused of not hunting or playing my normal village game, but im left here baffled that anybody would think that since i never hunt d1. i goof around or bold based on intuition or policy. i do wagonomics and deep game reads. d1 has not been a hunting day for me for like two whole years. the wolves are those who pretend they dont know this.

enter rilla. he has made it a point to muddy the waters and tell everybody im acting differently. sometimes im left wondering if anybody even reads anythign i say. i tend to think i can read rilla well, so i thought little of it at first. but then he kept doing it. bolded me then debolded then bolded again. and he's back to it today. i have made it emphatically clear that my schedule is a specific time and that i am busy, yet yesterday, at a time when i am never on, he says "derp wuf is so suspiciously absent". ofc i am i usually dont get home until 3-5PST and even when i do im fucking spent because im a stupid person trying to major in math. it's funny how i keep telling a guy in my class how good he is at math and he keeps denying it, but he picks things up at least twice as fast as i do. this is literally the last thing i should be studying, which is why im doing it.

my d1 wagon was clearly a bullshit wagon without any counters. i think at least one player is among the first four bolds, most likely mmm. but apparently nobody even knows mmm is playing, as ive been the only bold on him all game. the other thing that stands out in the wagonomics is that once it became about baud and gabe, things got crazy. it could be about boog, but he's also major lynchbait. the dude gets early lynched in half the games he plays. it's reasonable since he always seems so wolfy, but the fact is that after i posted the huge discrepancy between my wagon and any others, everything jumped to boog. he and i are among the easiest lynchbait and the wagons got heavy almost instantly. looks more like wolves taking the easy road (as well as some villagers) more than bolding for rationale. if boog is a wolf, it would mean that my wagon probably wouldnt have lost the steam the way it did. i was such an easy lynch. this doesnt clear boog by any stretch of the imagination. hell he is one of my wolf picks for the simple fact that he was on my wagon so easily. but the ease of his wagon suggests he is just a railroaded villager. at least for now

which brings us to baud. well, and gabe but we know he's a villager now. it was when baud's wagon started getting steam that things got crazy. at the time i thought his defenses were better than gabe's, as he seemed much more natural baud. but he wasnt always. he opened the game claiming he didnt care much and wasnt going to do much. then suddenly when his neck nears the guillotine, he has epiphanies about how people not named baud are wolves. rilla too. once baud was under pressure, they both made a show of getting on gabe and they flopped around too. both of them adored lynching any of me gabe or boog. and today they're both on me.

baud and rilla are voting as a block. funny how they've basically cleared each other. more like they're both wolves. mmm is the third. it's in the wagonomics. here's the step by step of it

im in the lead and bid bolds boog

Wuf looks like the most villagery person in this game. So for that reason, I'm voting for:

lynch boog

FWIW, I feel like MMM and wuf are showing resentment today. I'm strongly considering wolves to be on his wagon. Boog is actually at the top of that list based solely on instincts.

then I make the wagonomics post that demonstrates what ive been saying the whole time, and shortly after baud gets on boog

lynch Boog

teh hoopman on boog. tell me it isnt so

Well I'm obviously not lynching wuf without a super strong read that he's a wolf, which I don't have.

lynch BooG

lol jesus christ talk about lynchbait. granted rong aint a wolf

Rescind

Lynch boog

I'm not over the moon with his lynch but not overly against it either and I think it's better than wuf.

I'd prob switch to Luco easy enough.

oh nifty so baud didnt think boog was a wolf then?

lynch keybored

lolwat? boog wagon almost launching as quickly as mine did

This is kinda painful because I think he's a solid player and gets way too much heat in early game when he shouldn't.

That said...

lynch boog

His aggression feels forced to me.

boog defends himself and then ong switches

lynch gabe

something something baud baud

I'm suddenly not feeling my W read on boog so much.

I don't love my vote on wuf. I like it some, but not nearly as much as my vote on ong last game.
Both ong and wuf pride themselves on their ability to talk their way out of lynch.

I *sigh* believe that the fear wuf revealed late yesterday was authentic, and it explains his frantic insistence on trying to bully everyone into revealing as self-preservation (not V-cred in itself, but it makes that ridiculous push of his make sense from a V perspective).

rescind wuf

lynch baudib

or ronk (maybe luco)

boog on baud

I can lynch baudib. I want to make it clear that my intentions here are rilla.

oh hey what's this three switches

I'm definitely down to switch to Gabe.

lynch Gabe

nutlow villaging or topform wolfing. notice that keybored has been on my case since second uno. i dont even think he has bolded anybody. just me over and over. all with shit reason.

So...Luco playfully pokes Ronk:


I make a long reach into a possible Wuf-Rong collaboration:


Rong claims fat finger/autocorrect:


But in these two earlier posts, Rong first uses LUNCH in reference to WUF (originator of the term). And then does it two more times. I'm not buying the fat-finger defense and autocorrect won't affect this. I'm now convinced there's a Rong-Wuf collaboration. And cuz I know Wuf's partner, it ain't happening in the private chat. After this game, the W-den will confirm.



And cuz I don't know Rong's partner and cuz I get wolfy vibes off Wuf and cuz Hoopy (wuf's mate) has been dead weight to the village, my decision is made:

LYNCH WUF & his mini me.

not happy about this. boog engaging in some similar behavior as baud

Early game is interesting. There were four bolds to lynch Wuf within 13 posts. Two bolds to lynch Ong within 15, though rong's is a joke. Ong wagon for the lazy:




I completely missed this interaction. gabe's logic this entire game has been non-existent.

Rescind baudib, lynch gabe.

oh heeeey look who decided to show up

I'm way less high on either boog or keybored.

lynch gabe

and here we go, a known villager getting on baud

Rescind

Lynch baudib

self preservation and/or reads. looks to me like reads and we'll be owing gabe and apology. cant say im a fan of the idea that gabe could retain his old glory as considered such a great player. ofc if he deserves it he deserves it

I don't really see how I slipped

My first post in the thread is what I was thinking at the time

Call it terrible or whatever but it was a real post

rescind and lynch baudib
Because he's the most likely wolf...

His posting style is different, he's trying to talk about his great reads on monstr n rascal (last time he told me he had a good read on monstr, they were both wolves), and finally him saying my tactic was terrible seems overly forceful, which might be the wolfiest bit of evidence

Also I think it was baudib that suggested ong is strong enough to be kept around, which I don't think is true in this line up. Everyone is solid

lol scratch that. all self preservation from gabe apparently

rescind and lynch boog

people loving rilla too much to kill baudib today. but baudib is not making it to the end of the game

im sticking with the original boog reads. and its a pair (boog/monstr) that doesnt include me

more self preservation

And may as well follow his lead Rescind

Lynch boog

next three are telling

wufwugy-hoopy as a pair have been pretty empty this game.

lynch wuf

Off to bed.

Fuck it

lynch wufwugy

i thought everbody knew i was fucking gone. such opportunism. baud is in the clear and rilla wants to get back on me, laying all the groundwork he can. he's knows he cant nom me and he knows how strong i am as a villager. yes i get everything wrong, but that's only before i get it right. rilla absolutely knows the danger i pose, to him specifically since im never misread him in the pass. hell baud even recently said "he plays bad but gets there". in a no nom game, im a prime target of thinking wolves. huge lynchbait yet also huge narrative controller and endgame threat


hoops was already on boog but rebolds

Well it's time for bed, hopefully I'm still alive tomorrow.

Probably Village
a500lbgorilla
Keybored
BID
Wufwugy
Luco

Wolfy
BooG
gabe

lynch BooG

oh heeeeeeey look who doesnt care about anything but confusion and getting not-deaded. me or boog, doesn't seem to matter

double fuck it

lynch boog

hmmmm

I find it interesting that the only outed pairs that are voting the same are Gabe-Rong.

I have a strong villa vibe from Rong, but Gabe is looking wolfier. Their vote on Boog is team self pres it looks like.

I'd be really interested in Rong's thoughts on Gabe.

Lynch Gabe for some incentive for Rong to talk to me about Gabe.

erebody bolding boog and gabe now

Rascal risking his V-points by asking other people to tell him what to think about the game.

You can slide back to neutral.

***
My vote on baud is going nowhere. (I still think baud has yet to show any Village spirit.)

I'm not voting gabe today. I could get on a rong wagon, though. :/

I can't bring myself to vote wuf. I'm wary of wuf talking his way out of lynch, but I believe he's given me enough to lean V.
Hoopy, on the other hand... IDK.

The other main wagon is boog, who I have as neutral, and not a V-lean.
I have slight V-lean on monstrman, and it's weak.

I can lynch boog
but I'd prefer to lynch from baud, rong, luco

erebody including me. at least i had actual reasons. not some bullshit protection or bullshit self preservation

i am unconvinced that any of the leading wagons are wolves because they seemed to just spring out of nowhere. but mmm is on boog and he's my most likely wolf. it could be that he's trying to protect gabe.

i dont like some other players on the boog wagon, but i'm keeping who and why to myself for now

gabe has a wolfy villager style, but i dont think he ever wakes up all of a sudden when he's villager and getting lots of heat, which he has done this game

lynch gabe

same time as me

simultaneous post. I'm going with it.
Rescind Wuf (but fuck it we're lynching him tomorrow)
Lynch Gabe (which is obviously equivalent to a lynch vote for Rong = when one of gabe/rong flips wolf we go after mmm tomorrow cos he seems to be claiming that he wants rong lynched and would vote rong if he was a viable wagon but.... dunno what the but is really...)

a little surprised shakespeare (i mean daven) found enough time to stray his vision from me. tbh im sitting on my thoughts about him since i have been so epicly burned by his unquenchable desire to always help wolves.

sorry mmm, yes i do keep lots of stuff close to the vest. only newbs say most of what who they think is wolf and who isnt. i have long since changed to a style where i focus attention on individuals and wagon dynamics


late to the party. or maybe just on time. gabe was already over boog from both me and daven's posts. mmm looks worried since there was no time left

I'm pretty sure the votes are tied 6/6 with the tie going to boog


This is killing me.

lynch gabe

I hope it's the right move.

d2

never let a lack of rationale stop you!

lynch wufwugy

fancy fucking that

lynch wufwugy

here we have it folks. rilla and baud haven't assed a single correct thought about me all game, and here they are voting in block. they care more about getting rid of me than they do actually hunting. we have a wealth of information on d1. all good villagers use that info to their advantage. only bad wolves disregard it and cling to an agenda


lynch baud

for postgame: baud and rilla, with mmm and keybored for the final two.

[wufwugy]

I've practically begged wuf for reads already, but obv. it's relevant what he thinks of Hoopy.

It's just that wuf's already said he's less likely to vote for Hoopy 'cause % sign. Add that onto his sporadic flip-flopping and I'm not sure what he could say besides a full condemnation of Hoopy that I will be able to put much stock in.

yeah and like you've voted for bid all this time. stop the presses: wuf said the most obvious thing in the world that links won't be voting for each other any time soon

could mmm be assed to actually review the thread? to see that the pairs are voting in blocks? the last thing im going to do is tell you my opinion of hoopy, becuase ive been playing the way villagers should. if i think he's a wolf, im bolding him, and only then will you know what i think. i havent stupidly tried to suss him out in private chat. i already explained why. if we do that then we're doomed. reads are in game, end of story. if we try to take peoples' word for it on private chat, we lose

[Luco]

alright this is a good post from you even if I disagree with a bunch of it.

I'd honestly rather not lynch Rascal today just because Ong is going to be the most likely villagery person to figure this game out mechanically.

i'm still probably only lynching Wuf-Boog today.

Wasn't it you who said d1 that the speed of wuf's wagon indicated he was likely villager? I'm gonna try and find the post

[wufwugy]

i'm still probably only lynching Wuf-Boog today.

ofc you are. take the two easiest lynches possible. nevermind that things only got hot and heavy when you started getting heat, and that you've been bolding for any ol reason

[wufwugy]

Wasn't it you who said d1 that the speed of wuf's wagon indicated he was likely villager? I'm gonna try and find the post

and to think of how much vilcred i gave him for saying that. my mistake with gabe last game was giving vilcred for saying things that are true

[baudib]

Wasn't it you who said d1 that the speed of wuf's wagon indicated he was likely villager? I'm gonna try and find the post

yep but the content from Wuf has been really lacking.

[baudib]

I mean if 2 of Wuf/Boog/Daven aren't wolves, I don't see how we win this.

[Hoopy]

Turns out A + B is pretty easy in Excel.

Thanks, I find this kind of stuff interesting.

[Luco]

Damn wuf as soon as I defend you you throw out two posts that I really disagree with.

I think at least three of the wolves you named are village, and I also see value in the 1v1 chat and have found it useful.

[baudib]

ofc you are. take the two easiest lynches possible. nevermind that things only got hot and heavy when you started getting heat, and that you've been bolding for any ol reason

nope the easiest lynches are Daven, who's been wolfy and absent, and Lilrascal, whose partner thinks he's a wolf.

[wufwugy]

Damn wuf as soon as I defend you you throw out two posts that I really disagree with.

I think at least three of the wolves you named are village, and I also see value in the 1v1 chat and have found it useful.

the thing is there is no way we can know.

every little advantage any villagers think they can get from private chats are negated by the advantages that wolves get by SAYING they are getting an advantage

lynches still happen by village consensus. it does not help if a villager has a special view of a player since wolves can have the same thing. it matters what we see itt

[wufwugy]

yep but the content from Wuf has been really lacking.

keep saying it, people might believe it

[baudib]

Daven, Boog, Wuf:

It's about 100% that 1 of you and very likely 2 of you are wolves. If one of you is a villager, you have the most information on the correct lynch for today. I'm a villager, help me lynch the other 2.

worth noting that Wuf ignored this, I think I'm going roll with Daven as the villager of this bunch.

[BooG690]

Right now, I want to

lynch boog

Mostly for tone reasons I've noted in prior posts, and also for the unfulfilled promise he made "in transit."

What promise?

[wufwugy]

nope the easiest lynches are Daven, who's been wolfy and absent, and Lilrascal, whose partner thinks he's a wolf.

lol dude you just said you think daven is a wolf. yet magically you dont want to lynch him. instead you're lynching the person that daven wants to lynch

sometimes this game is too easy

[wufwugy]

worth noting that Wuf ignored this, I think I'm going roll with Daven as the villager of this bunch.

i dont respond to people who i think are wolves as if they are villagers

while you were busy trying to find anyway you could lynch me, i was busy looking for wolves. you're looking for a lynch, im looking for a baddy

[baudib]

lol dude you just said you think daven is a wolf. yet magically you dont want to lynch him. instead you're lynching the person that daven wants to lynch

sometimes this game is too easy

no i didn't.

reading comprehension usually isn't an issue for you.

[baudib]

so Ong is probably a villager playing one of his worst village games ever.

Wuf is a wolf playing a bad wolf game or a villager playing his worst village game ever.

[wufwugy]

nope the easiest lynches are Daven, who's been wolfy and absent, and Lilrascal, whose partner thinks he's a wolf.

calling daven wolfy

reading comprehension is sometimes an issue with me, but not here

[baudib]

calling daven wolfy

reading comprehension is sometimes an issue with me, but not here

you are obfuscating or just being stupid

i've said pretty clearly that of the wolfiest players, I think Daven is the most likely to flip village.

[MadMojoMonkey]

@wuf: Most of what you've just posted is excellent, and I'm handing out more V-cred to you.

yeah and like you've voted for bid all this time. stop the presses: wuf said the most obvious thing in the world that links won't be voting for each other any time soon

could mmm be assed to actually review the thread? to see that the pairs are voting in blocks? the last thing im going to do is tell you my opinion of hoopy, becuase ive been playing the way villagers should. if i think he's a wolf, im bolding him, and only then will you know what i think. i havent stupidly tried to suss him out in private chat. i already explained why. if we do that then we're doomed. reads are in game, end of story. if we try to take peoples' word for it on private chat, we lose

I haven't voted for BID because I strongly believe he's a V... that doesn't mean I'm right and should ignore potential warning signs. Furthermore, I agree with you insofar as that my assessment of BID may be clouded by self-preservation. I may subconsciously have a higher bar for what I consider wolfy from BID. I am making every attempt to be objective. When he's been shady, I've called him out. Rest assured that if he gets all howly in chat, I'll bold him in big letters, and you can all just follow suit.

Like we will all follow suit if Ong's vote is on rascal at EOD.

I think chat is a great way to search for duplicity.

Obv. I'm reviewing the thread. I saw pairs voting together and pairs voting separately.
Fine, keep your opinion of hoopy to yourself. In the short term it does look wolfy (but I believe that you believe it's villagery). In the long term, maybe your strategy will pay off.
I'm more conscious of the village's need to make the decision with me. So I'm putting BID's feet to the fire whenever I get suspicious.

[baudib]

Don't think Wuf or Boog have helped themselves at all here.

in fact Wuf's wolf equity is skyrocketing because he's a shitty wolf who only has theoretical knowledge of wolfing.

your MQs are bad dude, and no one reads them anyway.

Boog at least isn't shooting himself in the foot with every sentence.

[baudib]

@wuf: Most of what you've just posted is excellent, and I'm handing out more V-cred to you.


I haven't voted for BID because I strongly believe he's a V... that doesn't mean I'm right and should ignore potential warning signs. Furthermore, I agree with you insofar as that my assessment of BID may be clouded by self-preservation. I may subconsciously have a higher bar for what I consider wolfy from BID. I am making every attempt to be objective. When he's been shady, I've called him out. Rest assured that if he gets all howly in chat, I'll bold him in big letters, and you can all just follow suit.

Like we will all follow suit if Ong's vote is on rascal at EOD.

I think chat is a great way to search for duplicity.

Obv. I'm reviewing the thread. I saw pairs voting together and pairs voting separately.
Fine, keep your opinion of hoopy to yourself. In the short term it does look wolfy (but I believe that you believe it's villagery). In the long term, maybe your strategy will pay off.
I'm more conscious of the village's need to make the decision with me. So I'm putting BID's feet to the fire whenever I get suspicious.

you know you just said Wuf made excellent posts and then proceeded to disagree with him in a really polarizing way?

[Luco]

I don't think baud and daven are w-w

Baud has sidestepped daven one too many times now. It could be wolf baud trying to strawman but honestly I'm at the point where one flipping wolf is actually going to look good for the other

[wufwugy]

so Ong is probably a villager playing one of his worst village games ever.

Wuf is a wolf playing a bad wolf game or a villager playing his worst village game ever.

what exactly does this worst wolf game consist of? getting to the top of bolds in just under 3 hours of the game opening, then outlining strategy that helps us immensely, then finally people realize that i had been the leading wagon with no other options the entire game so they get off?

oh but wait i got accused of not posting while i was gone. oh but wait i got accused of not having epic d1 soulreads. oh but wait i just get bolded over and over and over

i am sorry if you are a villager. i am not in a cordial place over this game. i feel like i was right about the links, that i was backed up by most of the players, that it was a big deal that i was right since everything i see about the format suggests that wolves get a big benefit out of hidden links and villagers get a huge benefit out of revealed links, and yet despite all that, i have been on the chopping block constantly for this. nevermind that rilla had the same opinion as me. at first i was baffled that i was the one getting so much heat when i was saying the same thing as rilla, but now i think it's because rilla is a wolf

it's unlikely that both you and rilla are wolves, just like it's unlikely that any d2 soulread is correct. but if the shoe fits

[MadMojoMonkey]

What promise?

My bad.

Commuting back home. Writing on the phone. Hard to catch up on everything though it looks like my bandwagon is based on nothing. Gabe is obvious manipulating wolf. He needs to go tomorrow. Rilla afterwards.

Somehow in my head I had it that you said you would post when you got home... but I guess I fucking made that up.

rescind boog
for my own derp.

***
lynch baud

cause I disgree with this post 100%

so Ong is probably a villager playing one of his worst village games ever.

Wuf is a wolf playing a bad wolf game or a villager playing his worst village game ever.

[MadMojoMonkey]

you know you just said Wuf made excellent posts and then proceeded to disagree with him in a really polarizing way?

Yes. What I quoted is a fraction of what he posted in that stream which included a wall of text.

[baudib]

oh that's a solid reason MMM

[wufwugy]

you are obfuscating or just being stupid

i've said pretty clearly that of the wolfiest players, I think Daven is the most likely to flip village.

you have said that as well as contradictions

[baudib]

you have said that as well as contradictions

nope my position on Daven has been consistent for the past ~18 hours or so.

[baudib]

also it's besides the point, Wuf. I've openly stated that I've changed my mind on Daven anyway, so parsing every post to find contradictions isn't particularly enlightening or helpful.

you're not hunting or searching, you're lawyering pretty hard.

[baudib]

Wasn't it you who said d1 that the speed of wuf's wagon indicated he was likely villager? I'm gonna try and find the post

also note that the speed of a wagon taking off becomes less of an issue now that we know a lot of the people pushing Wuf were likely villagers (IIRC)

[Luco]

also note that the speed of a wagon taking off becomes less of an issue now that we know a lot of the people pushing Wuf were likely villagers (IIRC)

Speedy wagons are always villager heavy. Doesn't mean they're wolf free

[baudib]

Speedy wagons are always villager heavy. Doesn't mean they're wolf free

that's besides the point, the makeup of the people on the wagon is a lot less compelling than the wagon itself.

if you want to talk wagon makeup, look at the Boog wagon (I've said this 3 times now)

[wufwugy]

also note that the speed of a wagon taking off becomes less of an issue now that we know a lot of the people pushing Wuf were likely villagers (IIRC)

unofficial VC:

wuf(5) - boog, daven, key, MMM, ong
boog(2) - gabe, rilla
baud(1) - monstr
daven(1) - Luco
gabe(1) - baud
MMM(1) - wuf
ong(1) - rong

no vote(4) - BID, bigred, hoopy, rascal

pray tell which one of these is "a lot of the people pushing Wuf were likely villagers"

funny how the two dead villagers were not on my wagon and how two of your wolf picks were

[baudib]

you can argue that Hoopy is even being wolfier than Wuf at this point.

[baudib]

pray tell which one of these is "a lot of the people pushing Wuf were likely villagers"

funny how the two dead villagers were not on my wagon and how two of your wolf picks were

i don't see 2 of my wolf picks on you

the likely villagers on you are Ong/Keybored/MMM

[wufwugy]

i don't see 2 of my wolf picks on you

I mean if 2 of Wuf/Boog/Daven aren't wolves, I don't see how we win this.

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