Varchertine's Werewolf Game Thread

[MadMojoMonkey]

I've still no real idea who to lynch. I kinda wanna lynch bid, I don't see why people think he seems villagery. Every time I read the thread I change my mind on people, which means I'm not getting clear feelings about anybody. If anything the more posts I read from anyone the more they stick in my mind and the more I think they could be a wolf.

Luco seemed weird, didn't really get his comments to/about mmm.

This entire first paragraph is trite - banal even. Noob level analysis of every-game D1 activities.


Paging Mr. Ronk ... Paging Mr. Ronk
Mr. Ronk, please come to the customer service desk for your complimentary W-points.

[bigred]

I don't trust boog but don't really want to lunch him either.

Honestly I have no idea who to lunch.

Who isn't contributing?

This is where I make a stupid joke about you said lunch instead of lynch, wolf!

[MadMojoMonkey]

Is there a list of pro-revealers vs anti revealers in regards to roles and partnerships?

I believe there is. Let the scavenger hunt begin.

(I'm not playing)

[Luco]

This is where I make a stupid joke about you said lunch instead of lynch, wolf!

ronk's phone has possibly the most aggressive autocorrect in the western world.

It's ducking retarded

[bigred]

A few observations:

What are past game reads on monstrman? Page 4 is odd. He is literally patting almost every player on the back with village cred. He's like the Oprah of village cred. You get a v cred, you get a v cred, WE ALL GET V CRED!!!!! Seems more blend-in motivated than helping the village.

Lilrascal lying very low with some village cred backpatting as well.

[Keybored]

ronk's phone has possibly the most aggressive autocorrect in the western world.

Since lynch is a legit word, autocorrect won't sub in lunch when using it. Wuf uses Lunch in lieu of Lynch. I saw him do it a buncha games back and thought it cutesy. Point is, why's Ronk suddenly mimicking Wuf's style from many games ago? Them two in each other's heads?

[BankItDrew]

Bigred's laziness is starting to get under my skin.

[OngBonga]

rong often uses the word lunch. I've often wondered if it was autocorrect or style, I've never cared enough to question him on it though.

[MadMojoMonkey]

A few observations:

What are past game reads on monstrman? Page 4 is odd. He is literally patting almost every player on the back with village cred. He's like the Oprah of village cred. You get a v cred, you get a v cred, WE ALL GET V CRED!!!!! Seems more blend-in motivated than helping the village.

Lilrascal lying very low with some village cred backpatting as well.

monstr and rascal joined FTR WW last game, and have not played here beyond that (unless I'm being really 'tarded right now).
They were invited by baudib to fill out sign-ups in baudib's Viking game. You can scan that game for their names and do a quick dig.

monstr read wolfy to most, but then claimed village vig in the last 9 minutes of D1... which saved him from lynch, but not nom.

rascal subbed in for dhubs on D2 or D3. He played a strong village game, but still got pegged as wolfy - probably due to him being unfamiliar to the FTR gang, and the complete lack of posts from him prior to his sub. I was dead before he died, but I recall him using pretty colors and coding his posts quite well. He caught a bit of heat for that, being called a tryhard.

[BooG690]

Here's the first bold on my wagon.

rescind and lynch boog




he asked a question and said "it seems...". both things i noticed myself doing last game as a wolf and tried to stop doing.


thats good enough for me

Obviously, I didn't take gabe's post seriously. I asked a question and that's what makes me wolfy. Seems forced and contrived. This goes unnoticed by most.

This message brought to you by: Damn I love being right.


lynch Boog

More excellent logical deduction.

He then throws this in there:

Boog has yet to make a single sentence that leads me to believe he's a villager.

And this:

I'm suspicious of anyone who thought it was clearly wrong. Boog and now Keybored. Especially with Keybored's biting posts, that seems like a posture that I sometimes do as a wolf because posting doesn't flow from a place of comfort so maybe psyche yourself up?

So, in the end, it's my disagreement to reveal that is used as reason to lynch me. I didn't start showing up on lists until rilla bolded me because "Damn I love being right." The reveal disagreement argument came later (and is pretty weak).
In the span of ~10 hours:

Wuf looks like the most villagery person in this game. So for that reason, I'm voting for:


lynch boog

Well I'm obviously not lynching wuf without a super strong read that he's a wolf, which I don't have.


lynch BooG

Rescind


Lynch boog


I'm not over the moon with his lynch but not overly against it either and I think it's better than wuf.

This is kinda painful because I think he's a solid player and gets way too much heat in early game when he shouldn't.

That said...

lynch boog

His aggression feels forced to me.

Again, all started by murmuring by gabe and rilla with NO details as of the why, only the what. Others threw me on their list, Wuf defended himself and I'm the backup lynch. There is almost no good reasoning here. My best defense is the speed in which my bandwagon went from wuf onto me. It's obvious that something external is making this push.

And then this from the wolf that made this happen:

Boog, better reveal your partner!

It all seems to forced and, though I promised to reveal when I was on the chopping block, I refuse to do it because a wolf asked me. Any non-gabe, non-rilla and non-wuf player who'd like to know, please ask. I'll gladly give it up if you feel that information will help.

I'm obviously the wolfiest villager ever as I'm lynched early on in the game every game. Just seems gabe and rilla took advantage of this.

[OngBonga]

lynch gabe

[OngBonga]

I agree with boog. I like the tone of his defence there, furthermore I feel gabe was sketchy in his vote for boog, and certainly am still reading gabe as wolfy.

[BankItDrew]

Boog, who is your lover?

[OngBonga]

I am.

[MadMojoMonkey]

I'm suddenly not feeling my W read on boog so much.

I don't love my vote on wuf. I like it some, but not nearly as much as my vote on ong last game.
Both ong and wuf pride themselves on their ability to talk their way out of lynch.

I *sigh* believe that the fear wuf revealed late yesterday was authentic, and it explains his frantic insistence on trying to bully everyone into revealing as self-preservation (not V-cred in itself, but it makes that ridiculous push of his make sense from a V perspective).

rescind wuf

lynch baudib

or ronk (maybe luco)

[BooG690]

Boog, who is your lover?

Monstr.

[Keybored]

@ Boog: Your self defense puts you in my V stack. The deep history of Rilla-Ong-Gabe causes them to naturally fall in line on some things. IMO, Hoopy & Rong are mostly followers of the big kids with seldom independent thought. BID plays both ways quite well. That said, and agreeing with your assessment, I too have Rilla and Gabe in my Wolf stack. Ong feels V to me so far in his objections to Revealing and Wolf hunting. I don't put much thought into the other 3 until they man up and take a stand on something.

[BooG690]

I can lynch baudib. I want to make it clear that my intentions here are rilla.

[OngBonga]

Monstr.

Why did you do that?

[Keybored]

I am.

Why did YOU do this?

[OngBonga]

Why did YOU do this?

To troll drew, obviously.

[MadMojoMonkey]

[BankItDrew]

so i'm guessing a pairing of

boog - monstr
ong - key

[BooG690]

Pass some over this way.

[Keybored]

To troll drew, obviously.

Would a Villager fakeclaim?
Wouldn't a wolf want to inject confusion?
SUP?

[OngBonga]

Would a Villager fakeclaim?
Wouldn't a wolf want to inject confusion?
SUP?

Yes. Yes. Sup.

[OngBonga]

Oh wait. "wouldn't".

Yes. No. Sup.

[Luco]

Would a Villager fakeclaim?
Wouldn't a wolf want to inject confusion?
SUP?

girls just wanna have fun

this feels like an easy hop on

[baudib]

I'm definitely down to switch to Gabe.

lynch Gabe

[BankItDrew]

Monstr.

This doesn't affect anything because monstr hasn't affected anything.

[Keybored]

I see wuf is leading the votes which isn't great for me. I'm gonna go actually read the thread and see what's been happening.

Solid example of a partner's stupidity hurting an outted pair. If I was leaning W on wuf and Hoopy pulled this crap, I'm now going all in on that vote. That's a two-fer.

[rong]

It's auto correct/ a fat thumb. Th u and u are next to each other.

[Keybored]

Nothing had happened by the time I went to bed. Now there's 6 pages. Da fuq?

What's the point signing up to play if you don't like reading posts?

[rong]

Rescind

Lynch Luco

[baudib]

This is pretty much where I'm at right now. I'm comfortable with the levels but there's high variance within them.

BID

Rilla
------
Wufwugy
MMM
-------
Ong
Rong
Monstr
Hooey
---------
Lilrascal
Luco
Boog
------------
Keybored
bigred
daven
gabe

[BankItDrew]

My list is very similar to baudib's, while putting him in bold green.

[Keybored]

put me on your villager lists. im just typical day 1 DGAH gabe and the thoughts ive posted are all village based

Villager Gabe doesn't come out like this...wolfy

[rong]

Dgah? Don't give a hell? don't get all heavy? Dem girls are hos?

[Keybored]

I made it as far as the wufwugy giant post.
Why no bullet points?
Why no clear one paragraph conclusion?
Why no clear and concise argument?

Why haven't you done anything to help the Village?

[baudib]

This is pretty much where I'm at right now. I'm comfortable with the levels but there's high variance within them.

BID

Rilla
------
Wufwugy
MMM
-------
Ong
Rong
Monstr
Hooey
---------
Lilrascal
Luco
Boog
------------
Keybored
bigred
daven
gabe

Just based on the past couple of posts, I could swap Keybored for anyone in the gray tier.

I invite everyone to review Gabe's opening posts in the Vikings game and compare to this one, and add in the fact that he may have slipped on the "Ong is a villager now" thing.

[Keybored]

So...Luco playfully pokes Ronk:

ronk's phone has possibly the most aggressive autocorrect in the western world.

I make a long reach into a possible Wuf-Rong collaboration:

Since lynch is a legit word, autocorrect won't sub in lunch when using it. Wuf uses Lunch in lieu of Lynch. I saw him do it a buncha games back and thought it cutesy. Point is, why's Ronk suddenly mimicking Wuf's style from many games ago? Them two in each other's heads?

Rong claims fat finger/autocorrect:

It's auto correct/ a fat thumb. Th u and u are next to each other.

But in these two earlier posts, Rong first uses LUNCH in reference to WUF (originator of the term). And then does it two more times. I'm not buying the fat-finger defense and autocorrect won't affect this. I'm now convinced there's a Rong-Wuf collaboration. And cuz I know Wuf's partner, it ain't happening in the private chat. After this game, the W-den will confirm.

I don't want to lunch wuf.

I don't trust boog but don't really want to lunch him either. Honestly I have no idea who to lunch.

And cuz I don't know Rong's partner and cuz I get wolfy vibes off Wuf and cuz Hoopy (wuf's mate) has been dead weight to the village, my decision is made:

LYNCH WUF & his mini me.

[Keybored]

I invite everyone to review Gabe's opening posts in the Vikings game and compare to this one, and add in the fact that he may have slipped on the "Ong is a villager now" thing.

At the risk of appearing to butter you, I think this point deserves this attention. Gabe slipped. Go back and read #22 y'all.

[rong]

Oh my, it's already been stated by two people that this is a frequent occurrence. Not sure what more you want. Look at a keyboard, the u is next to the u, I'm generally typing on the fly, this shit just happens.

[rong]

U and y, not u and u, obv.

[Keybored]

Wuf/Hoopy now and Gabe/??? tomorrow probly.

[Keybored]

Oh my, it's already been stated by two people that this is a frequent occurrence. Not sure what more you want. Look at a keyboard, the u is next to the u, I'm generally typing on the fly, this shit just happens.

I have and they are. I'm giving you W point for a possible Wuf collaboration and W point for not contributing anything yet. Both are slightly weak hits but you're not providing anything else to go on. So I'm gonna let you simmer on the low burner until I get more from you.

[BankItDrew]

I'm down with a gabe lynch after today. I actually never noticed the gabe slip and would like to hear his thoughts on it. I suspect he'll say something along the lines of "ong will blame his spew on the idea that he's a spewing villager," or something like that.

[monstrman]

I feel like I'm not gaining any steam on this but I still feel really confident you're a wolf baudib.

Baudib, why do I feel that way?

[Keybored]

Re: LILRASCAL...

In post 168, 182, & 195, LilRascal goes into some math shit. All the while he's incorrectly using 18 players as his base. IMO, a wolf wouldn't have used the same wrong head count over that span of time w/o a fellow wolf correcting him in the den or ITT right away. For that and his overall village vibe, I give LilRascal a solid V read right now.

[monstrman]

Wuf/Hoopy now and Gabe/??? tomorrow probly.

If you truly believe gabe slipped, why don't you try to lynch him today?

[monstrman]

A few observations:

What are past game reads on monstrman? Page 4 is odd. He is literally patting almost every player on the back with village cred. He's like the Oprah of village cred. You get a v cred, you get a v cred, WE ALL GET V CRED!!!!! Seems more blend-in motivated than helping the village.

Lilrascal lying very low with some village cred backpatting as well.

lilrascal and I both play on a forum where this is how WW is played

[BooG690]

Early game is interesting. There were four bolds to lynch Wuf within 13 posts. Two bolds to lynch Ong within 15, though rong's is a joke. Ong wagon for the lazy:

Lynch ongbonga he'd never find anyone to be his plus one so must be a wolf where his date had no choice.

lynch ong
he spewed so hard as a wolf last game that he will try to get away with spewing as a villager this game. not worth it

lynch gabe

Shit reason to vote for a strong asset.

Wait, you know I'm a villager. There's no waiting to see what I do, there's no thinking that if I'm a wolf then I'm a liability to them, you're just picking off an easy target based on shit logic. Except you already slipped by showing that you know I'm a villager.

Oops. Your turn to spew?

I completely missed this interaction. gabe's logic this entire game has been non-existent.

Rescind baudib, lynch gabe.

[rong]

Keyboard getting agro seems villager to me.

[rong]

I can understand a gabe lynch, but what I hate about it is the wolves would love it if he's a villager.

[OngBonga]

Same could be said about rilla, but plenty enough people want him or baudib lynched.

[Keybored]

If you truly believe gabe slipped, why don't you try to lynch him today?

Cuz I shot him wrongly d1 a couple games back and still regret the snap kill.

Cuz I wanna give him more credit than that.

Cuz I wanna see what others think.

Cuz I don't know his other half.

If it turns out Gabe is paired with a weak playing or wolfy partner, I move to that lynch cuz I get more W vibe off Gabe than Wuf right now. Hoopy is pulling my vote to his team ATM.

[Hoopy]

Hoppy, bid's post is not excellent. It's wrong.

You'd get just as much cred lynching villager y and killing partner wolf x as you would the other way round. It makes no difference whatsoever.

Yeah I realized after that post that it wasn't correct, got excited because it looked like it was an argument that could clear 2 people at once.

Keyboard getting agro seems villager to me.

Not to me, though I will look at what he's saying about gabe.

[Hoopy]

@keybored

You've got a point, gabe's first post is odd.

lynch ong
he spewed so hard as a wolf last game that he will try to get away with spewing as a villager this game. not worth it

I guess he could mean that ong will spew regardless of role, though this post is sketchy the more I look at it.

[baudib]

I feel like I'm not gaining any steam on this but I still feel really confident you're a wolf baudib.

Baudib, why do I feel that way?

probably because I'm posting at about 1/20th my usual volume and I'm not really intensely interested in WW anymore.

[baudib]

Think my preferred wagons today would be Gabe/Bigred.

I don't like the argument that we just let Big Red win if he's a wolf. There's a marked difference in his posting here and the game where he was a villager in the game Aubrey was seer. There he was pretty obviously a villager, making effort at figuring out roles, here he just wants to troll.

he's either a wolf or going to be very problematic for us.

[baudib]

here's Gabe's first post last game

day 1 lets lynch keybored or bankitdrew. those 2 scramble the village too often

kinda similar to this one about Ong, where he talks about a meta read under the guise of helpful information for the village.

I think village Gabe tries to do better than this, are we really to believe that village Gabe is incapable of discerning between village Ong and wolf Ong, especially after he "spewed" so hard last game? Gabe knows that Ong is a strong asset as a villager and would look to preserve him as a villager and get him killed as a wolf.

[a500lbgorilla]

I'm way less high on either boog or keybored.

lynch gabe

[a500lbgorilla]

It all seems to forced and, though I promised to reveal when I was on the chopping block, I refuse to do it because a wolf asked me.

It is forced. It forced up the tempo, pressure, and consequences of the conversation - all things wolves don't like. You don't like it, imagine not liking it but also having to say something about it while being a wolf. Shit's gonna put you in a bit of a spot - force you to do "something". Versus ong who just sits down and refuses to budge, that's natural to him. Or BID seeing the logic in it and gleefully following suit. Or Luco thinking the whole thing a worthless mess and just ignoring it (though, I wonder about this one).

I'm obviously the wolfiest villager ever as I'm lynched early on in the game every game. Just seems gabe and rilla took advantage of this.

If it happens every time, why is it odd that it happened this time? We haven't played together in forever.

[a500lbgorilla]

Solid example of a partner's stupidity hurting an outted pair. If I was leaning W on wuf and Hoopy pulled this crap, I'm now going all in on that vote. That's a two-fer.

You're complaining that it changes your choice, I'm saying it improves it.

Boog - think about what a game-theorist would say about this set up.

[rong]

a500lbgorilla - Villrar
Baudib – MIA, null maybe slight vill
LilRascal – finally posting some reads. Has me and rillz0r leaning W because we’re abrasive? Surface level reading, leaning W
Keybored – Kinda floating D1, null so far
Ongbonga – Sounds pretty villrar so far
Gabe – still leaning v to me
BID - villrar
MMM - villrar
Wufwugy - villrar
Hoopy – lurking, leaning w
Rong – I think villrar
Boog – his last post is his least wolfy so far. Still, leaning W
Monstrman – leaning V
Bigred – MIA, null
Daven - wolfy

here's Gabe's first post last game



kinda similar to this one about Ong, where he talks about a meta read under the guise of helpful information for the village.

I think village Gabe tries to do better than this, are we really to believe that village Gabe is incapable of discerning between village Ong and wolf Ong, especially after he "spewed" so hard last game? Gabe knows that Ong is a strong asset as a villager and would look to preserve him as a villager and get him killed as a wolf.

This just screams wolf and opportunism.

[rong]

Not the Luco quote, no idea his that got there.

[rong]

Rescind

Lynch baudib

[a500lbgorilla]

Cuz I shot him wrongly d1 a couple games back and still regret the snap kill.

Cuz I wanna give him more credit than that.

Cuz I wanna see what others think.

Cuz I don't know his other half.

If it turns out Gabe is paired with a weak playing or wolfy partner, I move to that lynch cuz I get more W vibe off Gabe than Wuf right now. Hoopy is pulling my vote to his team ATM.

This post is why I'm way less high on Keybored.

[a500lbgorilla]

Rescind

Lynch baudib

You wanna kill me bro?

[baudib]

Not opportunism, logic.

Gabe's open attack on Ong is just terrible if he's a villager.

[rong]

Yet it took you that long to make this leap of logic.

It's the least paragraph I don't like.

[baudib]

Yet it took you that long to make this leap of logic.

It's the least paragraph I don't like.

I mentioned it as soon as it happened.

no one else was on Gabe.

I know you don't do things like read the thread or keep up with things that happen but maybe you could try reading every 10th post or so.

[Keybored]

BooG690 Post #192, "Wuf, Rilla and BID need to start thinking through this reveal stuff and stop making it seem that anyone who thinks otherwise is suspect."

I currently do not believe this because most of the players who have not revealed are villagers.

BID...How can you claim that most players not revealed (at that time) are villagers? What gives you that insight?

[JKDS]

Mod Corner

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Day 1 Ends in 8 Hrs and 10 Minutes

[baudib]

This post is why I'm way less high on Keybored.

by "less high" do you mean you want to lynch him.