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 Originally Posted by poop
You continue to express suspicion about the legality of the election, despite us explaining to you repeatedly that all the cases disputing have been thrown out of court as laughable.
I'm open to the possibility of there being forces at work. I'm not saying I believe it, I'm saying it's possible. Why should your repeated explanations convince me either way? I don't trust media, and I don't trust the establishment.
Do you just hear "Trump disputes election" and give him the benefit of the doubt?
Not quite. The single most suspicious thing to me is the voter turnout, massively up from previous years. People talk about a landslide for Biden, people don't tend to talk about how Trump picked up the second highest number of votes in US election history (2nd to Biden, of course). Also, the motive is there, and so too is the control of media. It's not enough for me to say with any confidence the election was rigged, but it's enough for me to be suspicious, and it's enough for me to believe there are people who think it was stolen.
If so, that's pretty dumb given his record for lying to suit his own ends.
This is something you do a lot, too. You call Trump a liar, like a lot. But you do so in a way that implies you don't think literally every other politician on the planet is a liar. Did you know Biden is a liar? I presume you're going to spend the next four years insulting anyone who believes a single word he says.
I don't give a fuck what Trump says. I never did.
Another one had something to do with more people voting than in 2012, like that's proof of something.
When I compared the vote to 2012, I literally said it was not proof. So your "like that's proof of something" is a caveat you didn't need to add. It's not what I think, you simply assume that.
You obv. didn't read what I said. It was Trump trying to use the mob to carry out the coup. He didn't lead them there himself, and they weren't organised or led by anyone so they had no chance of succeeding. He was telling them to go there and fight for their rights, that the election was a fraud. He refused to agree to the order for the National Guard to go in and restore order. Obviously he wanted shit to really kick off so he could pull some presidental power out of his ass and declare Martial Law or something. Who knows what his idiotic plan was? It wasn't to peacefully hand over power, that's for sure.
Massive speculation.
There's plenty of footage and photos of violence that weren't livestreamed but is now available. There's vidoes of the press being threatened. I already mentioned the cop getting killled, and another cop being squashed in a door frame. Saying it was peaceful because you saw mostly peaceful scenes is ignorant. It was not a love-in by a long way.
Ok I'll seek out such footage tomorrow, but it was certainly not as violent as what I saw last year. Nowhere near. If it was, I would have seen something because I really was watching for hours, multiple streams. I didn't have to look hard in 2020 to find riots and looting.
Trying to overthrow an election is acceptable? And you accuse us of being biased...
Imagine if Russians were contesting an election. You'd be gleefully pointing out it probably was rigged and they have every right to fight for their democracy. You're the one with bias, you just don't see it. I'm actively trying to be neutral and objective. I don't doubt I fail at times, but I try, and I do that by thinking things like "what if this was Russia".
If you believe something undemocratic has gone on in an election, you go to court and present your evidence to a judge.
Ok, so that's what you'll say to Russians who want to overthrow Putin? Go to the courts? Good luck with that.
Using the establishment to overthrow the establishment is not what I'd suggest.
That's a smoking gun right there that they were hoping for a coup.
It really wasn't a coup, or an attempt at one. I really do find such language ridiculous.
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