*** The Official MAGAposting thread ***

[OngBonga]

Still a wall.

[OngBonga]

I'm not gonna lie I'm at the point where I see a wall and I'm like "whew". I know my posts are walls too, it's become quite intense.

I don't think we disagree on a great deal. I'm gonna skim through your post (I have read it in full) and respond to a couple of bits in the hope our posts aren't so huge and intimidating!

The way law works in your country, it seems strange. We vote people in, they have the power to make laws. If a law changes, if something that wasn't illegal becomes illegal, you can't use it your defence "other people got away with it before it was illegal".

A party should be able, in theory, to come into power on the promise of changing a certain law. They should be able to live up to this promise. This is how you make sure law is fair. If it's not, it can be changed at the ballot.

Negotiators in hostage situations are not armed

Later you say this...

I'm suggesting that unarmed police be the first on the scene with an armed entourage. I'm not suggesting that only unarmed cops should be sent anywhere.

Ok, fine, I'm cool with this. I was going to make the point that hostage negotiators have armed support, but I don't need to.

This seems hyperbolic. You're serious, though, yeah?

I was making this comment on the presumption that an unarmed first respondent was alone. The first time it happens, immediately we're asking questions of how different it would have been had they been armed. But if we';re talking about armed support, it's different. The criminal is still under the gun, and if he is going to shoot, it's highly unlikely he goes for the only unarmed person.

I have no idea what you're trying to say, here. I know nothing of the crime problems nor the corruption if any in Brazil or Rio.

I was making the point that USA as a whole is comparable to half a city. Considering USA is an armed nation, politically divisive, with a history of school shootings and domestic terrorism, 700 people shot dead by cops in a year isn't huge.

Of course we want that number to be lower, but we're being somewhat naive if we think that figure can be zero. How low can it realistically be? For sure lower than 700 because there are clearly people getting shot that didn't need to be, for example our drunk sleepy guy, but can we really expect a much lower number? There's a lot of fuck ups in USA.

Seriously. Anyone who is denying that there is systemic racism in the US is simply not even looking to see whether or not the history bears that out.

Why aren't people like Biden doing more to fix the systemic racism? Nobody expected Trump to, but what's the point of Biden if he can't fix this? What the fuck was Obama doing? How can it ever change in USA if Presidents can fix it? At the very least they can speak out about it. I don't ever remember hearing Obama telling the world how institutionally racist the American system is. If he can't change the law himself, he must put pressure on elected officials in the Senate or wherever laws get repealed.

How can it ever change if even a black President doesn't even try to fix this?

They just don't like it when a "bad apple" gets their cam exposed and that's the imagery in the public eye of who police are and what they do.

This is the only way to win public confidence. Nobody expects the police to be able to get their recruitment and training absolutely 100% tip top. People expect accountability when they do get it wrong, and that means prosecuting the bad apples, firing the incompetent, and bosses resigning when they make bad decisions. If the police know their bodycam footage is available to the public on demand, they will be much more likely to act with restraint and professionalism. It would be a huge step in the right direction.

This is already turning into a wall.

I'll just nod my head along until this...

Exactly the false assumptions that need to be explored for what they are.

I'm not so sure it is a false assumption.

Humans have lived in densely populated cities for thousands of years. Human morality hasn't changed in that time. The human genome has been relatively stable for tens of thousands of years - maybe hundreds of thousands. So the genetic propensity for crime and immoral behavior hasn't changed. The environmental pressures by-and-large haven't changed.

The cities of the past (200 years plus) are incomparable to the cities of today. Our societies are completely different. The most obvious difference is money. Also drugs. Mental health. Wealth inequality. Guns. These are important factors when we talk about crime.

I know these things aren't completely new to our times, but with larger populations it becomes a larger problem. Of course there is much more crime now than in the past. Without law enforcement, you have vigilantism. Of course civilised societies have evolved to have a police force. I don't think it's ridiculous to assume the alternatives would be more unpleasant.

So when we see the unequal treatment in law - when we hear the people who penned the laws admit that they designed the law to persecute Americans - that's a problem. A serious problem. A threat to democracy problem.

Well clearly you don't have democracy. You can't change anything by voting.

I'm trying to understand how there are these vastly different world-views about what the police are and what we as a society get for having them.

I'm obviously heavily skewed by what I observe in the UK. The police here, they can be dickheads of course, but if you don't piss them off, you're not going to have a problem. The only people who really have to worry about the police are criminals. That makes society safer. So we get value from them. Is that value optimal? Highly doubtful. But I understand where the value comes.

[CoccoBill]

https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...-reform-341685

[MadMojoMonkey]

Re. walls of text
I get it and I might do the same, but the problem is that there is a huge, huge amount of information pointing at very real conspiracies that have been perpetuated for decades designed to persecute American citizens by American politicians and businesses.

That's a BIG claim, and it requires big proof.

My opinion on the matter wasn't easily swayed. There are counter arguments and counter-counter arguments ad nauseum in all of this. A lot of information is not verifiable, single witness accounts or sound like numerology at how far they stretch.

So there's a lot to say, and it's a big deal to understand it.

The entire world joined in a single-voiced protest about a year ago. That's never happened before in human history.
It's not something anyone should forget, or shrug off, IMO.

***
Obama said at least a couple times that he was sensitive to avoid race issues throughout the entirety of his presidency because as the first black president, he didn't want it to be 100 years until there was a next black president. He said that he felt his place in history was to demonstrate that a black president was just a president, not a black anything. I think it was a mistake on his part, but I respect his political acumen, and it is what it is.

Also note that the most a president can do to change laws is say he wants a law and to sign or not sign what Congress gives him.
POTUS can make presidential orders - which are basically laws unless an actual law says otherwise. Or until a later POTUS repeals it.


***
Why doesn't Biden do something about it?

The Democratic party was getting their asses kicked in just about all levels of elections about 30 years ago. The Republicans candidates just had to promise to be "tough on crime" and that seemed to be all it took to get votes. So they got in office and made all kinds of stricter punishments on laws and criminalized non-violent behaviors. Then Clinton came along and realized he needed to change the game if he was going to win - enter his Rock the Vote campaign and a stance to be tough on crime.

Yada, yada, yada. All this time has passed, and "tough on crime" has been getting people elected for decades and now our prisons are overflowing and run by private companies and whether or not a police officer arrests you is a matter of whether or not they choose to enforce any of the uncountably many laws on the books.

I mean... that can't be the whole story, but it's a prominent thread of the past 30 years of US politics.

[boost]

Re. walls of text
I get it and I might do the same, but the problem is that there is a huge, huge amount of information pointing at very real conspiracies that have been perpetuated for decades designed to persecute American citizens by American politicians and businesses.

That's a BIG claim, and it requires big proof.

I think this is in response to Ong, but just to be clear, I skipped passed a bunch of posts and just now noticed that Ong also was complaining about walls of text. I wasn't saying it as a way to discredit, I just really was tired of reading the multi paragraph exchanges on both sides.

[Poopadoop]

I wasn't saying it as a way to discredit, I just really was tired of reading the multi paragraph exchanges on both sides.

Yeah it's impossible to follow that. I do it myself too, but even when I'm one of the interlocutors, it can be pretty exhausting. As a spectator, I just change the channel.

[OngBonga]

He literally suggested more of their paid time should be time training, and you responded with "BUT THEN THEY CAN'T BE DOING COP STUFF!"

Ok but you took that comment out of context because you didn't read the discussion. I appreciate how, taken in isolation, you reach that conclusion. I retract my "disingenuous" comment. But you cherry picked one single comment and took issue with it.

It was poop who I was talking to at that point, not mojo. Poop casually said something along the lines of "maybe if they spent more time training and less time driving around" because he considers their driving around to be a waste of time. I don't consider it to be a waste of time. I consider it to more efficient policing than having them sat around an office. I made the valid point that if they are doing more training, they are doing less policing.

Earlier in the discussion with mojo, I make it clear that police need to be better trained. So it's not like I disagree outright with what poop said. But he made his comment in the context of him thinking they are doing fuck all driving around town, which is why I was arguing with him.

My reaction to you was pretty knee-jerk.

[boost]

Ok but you took that comment out of context because you didn't read the discussion. I appreciate how, taken in isolation, you reach that conclusion. I retract my "disingenuous" comment. But you cherry picked one single comment and took issue with it.

It was poop who I was talking to at that point, not mojo. Poop casually said something along the lines of "maybe if they spent more time training and less time driving around" because he considers their driving around to be a waste of time. I don't consider it to be a waste of time. I consider it to more efficient policing than having them sat around an office. I made the valid point that if they are doing more training, they are doing less policing.

Earlier in the discussion with mojo, I make it clear that police need to be better trained. So it's not like I disagree outright with what poop said. But he made his comment in the context of him thinking they are doing fuck all driving around town, which is why I was arguing with him.

My reaction to you was pretty knee-jerk.

Thanks for ratcheting down-- I feel like I've noticed a lot of people learning the value of this over the past year or so of super contentious times, especially myself. It can be fun to sling poo, and I was sorta kinda doing it by skimming for cherries, but it's always good when someone can cool it off so some sort of progress can actually be made.

But, yeah, while I think Poop can be good at triggering argument mode, I think you took the bait and ended up holding contradictory positions for having done so.

Anyways, now that we're here: they need better and more training, which needs to come at the cost of something they currently do. Even if you value some amount of aimlessly driving around time*, surely you agree that some of it could be traded for more training, right? If not, where alternatively do you think the time should come from? If they're 100% better at policing, can't they be aimlessly driving around at a very minimum 49% less? Might it be that better training could actually dictate less or no aimless driving around? I'm not saying I know this would be the outcome, but you seem confident you know it wouldn't be, and that seems to be an oddly overconfident position in my view.

*in actuality, at least in my observations, this is mostly time parked on social media or playing candy crush or whatever they're doing on their phone

[Poopadoop]

But, yeah, while I think Poop can be good at triggering argument mode,

SHUT UP!!!!

Oh wait, I'm sorry, I didn't mean that.

[Poopadoop]

The point is, they can't police and train at the same time. So saying they need more training, then later arguing that if they're training, they can't be policing, is contradictory. The only way to resolve the paradox is to have them train in their spare time. Is that what you're suggesting they do?

[Poopadoop]

I've missed Rudy's interviews.





Is it possible for him to run for prez in 2024 from prison?

[oskar]

Trump is up to his old tricks as well:
https://twitter.com/MysterySolvent/s...821313026?s=20

I hope a lot of people come out of the last decade cleared of any delusion that capitalism leads to meritocracy. I've had friends who went from "Trump is a millionaire, so he must have done something right" to "I cannot believe the magnitude of this man's stupidity."
On the other hand... we were 200 years past the french revolution before Trump and the people were like: hey guys, how about we democratically elect our own inbred idiot king!

[boost]

Nah, we've had some pretty awful presidents before-- but we def are at the end of a cycle in which the people who stand to profit off of dismantling the framework that supports functional capitalism have for the better part of a century convinced everyone else that the framework holding back the greatness that is unbridled capitalism.

edit: it's easy to infer a conspiracy theory here, and while there certainly are conspiracies that have and are furthering the trajectory we've been on all these decades, on the whole I think it's much more the ebs and flows of the zeitgeist. I think there tend to be more conspiracies at play when the few stand to gain, because it's inherently easier to conspire amongst fewer more powerful people, but there needn't be some grand council of child sacrificing bankers for any of this to play out.

[oskar]

I'm not sure I get that, but anyway, here's a video that's making the rounds of that real estate developer who can't sell his stupid $500M mansion... why is that even a thing? When you have millions to spend on a home, wouldn't you want to design it yourself?
So here's real life Russ Hanneman from Silicon Valley fame, walking you through his monument to to the coming collapse of late stage capitalism while suffering from suicidal depression:

[OngBonga]

@15:38 - That's art.

@15:26 - That is fucking shit.

@2:43 - This is disgusting.

[oskar]

@15:38 - That's art.
@15:26 - That is fucking shit.
@2:43 - This is disgusting.

Some of it is fine. I think the overall architecture is pretty cool if you ignore for a second how ridiculously impractical it is, but it's not like that guy designed it. He commissioned an architect who had to listen to hours of esoteric nonsense and plans for a 21st century Heal the World rendition featuring a hologram Whitney Houston, and then ignore all that and just design a stupidly big house.

I hate to bring up nazis again - I have a feeling we talk about nazis too much here, but famously Hitler was a dumb bitch with terrible taste and his idea of good architecture was like whatever the Romans did just bigger, so they built those massive monuments out of tons upon tons of marble that were supposed to last the Thousand-Year Reich, none of which survived the war.

This feels like that. It's what you'd expect... but bigger!

[OngBonga]

The architecture is on a par with most megamansions in LA. Not bad, but it's not comparable to a castle. It's rather like competent art compared to brilliant art. And you can't ignore the impracticality, not when you consider this is a home. Who wants that much space in their home? I want my house to be cosy, I don't want to be able to play cricket in my living room.

I mean, frankly, I hope this is built on a fault line.

[OngBonga]

That was entertaining. If he does a follow up at some event that happens there, please link it!

I mean, it was funny until the teenage kids were dropped, then it just became sad. Like, these kids are having to watch their dad have a $500m mid-life crisis in public while he blows their inheritance, ans this could also be a public record of the depression that resulted in his suicide. This guy is on the edge, I'd give him 50-50 of making it to the end of 2022.

If I were designing my own house, with an unlimited budget, I'd probably look insane. But I wouldn't have the deluded arrogance to think I'm going to change the fucking world. I'd know that I'm just a rich cunt with grandiose ideas. Literally the only thing he intends to do that is good here is create an art gallery for teenagers. That I like. That's not going to pay the bills though, or change the world. I also have to admit I liked the rooftop swimming pool. That's really nice. But the art is really shit (with the exception of those large hoops of metal). This guy has absolutely no artistic taste at all.
In my dream house, my insanity would become apparent when I show the bunkers. I'd have a seed bank, stockpiles, underground emergency living quarters, actual renewable energy not to save the world but so I can still have energy if shit hits the fan, I'd have loads of Land Rovers, Jaguars and old Minis that I never drive, but not a single Ferrari... I'd be a completely different kind of insane if I were this rich. I'd have art all over the place, it would definitely be a pretty sick art gallery. I'd also have animals. That's how I'd stave off the chronic loneliness of being a sad wanker, by having a gang of animals that don't give a fuck how much of a dickhead I am so long as I feed them. And I'd have gardens, greenhouses, orchards, plants and flowers everywhere. People would actually want to come and visit my house because it would be full of art and life, even if it's not human life. But I'd tell them to fuck off while holding a shotgun with a snarling rottweiler next to me. I'm not going to pretend to be doing this for anyone else. It's mine, get orf moi land.

It is nice thinking about having a $500m budget for a house.

[Poopadoop]

I'd probably just hire a harem of about a dozen high priced hookers and stay in the same house. I guess I'd need a bigger house to keep all the hookers in though. Maybe add a conservatory too, those are nice. And a music room.

[OngBonga]

I'd probably just hire a harem of about a dozen high priced hookers and stay in the same house. I guess I'd need a bigger house to keep all the hookers in though. Maybe add a conservatory too, those are nice. And a music room.

idk about hookers, but cam girls maybe.

[OngBonga]

But, yeah, while I think Poop can be good at triggering argument mode, I think you took the bait and ended up holding contradictory positions for having done so.

I'm easy to trigger into arguing. I like arguing in the way we do... heated without being hateful. I don't give a massive amount of thought to the subjects we discuss. I mean, I don't think about the pros and cons of policing while I'm smoking a spliff in the garden. Most of my comments here are more or less off the cuff.

There has always been an argument here that the police have too much paperwork, and that means less time on the beat. There are other ways to free up police time for more training. Poop's flippant comment about less time driving around and more time training shows a lack of thought on the subject comparable to my own. He's doing no different to what I do... arguing about subjects that he's not deeply interested in, because it's a fun way to engage with people.

*in actuality, at least in my observations, this is mostly time parked on social media or playing candy crush or whatever they're doing on their phone

Police in the UK, for the most part, look professional when on duty. Aside from seeing them in the Burger King drive thru, and everyone needs a lunch break, I don't see cops literally wasting time. Obviously, they do a fat lot of nothing when standing guard at a crime scene or whatever, but that's a necessary nothing. I don't see them with their feet up playing with their phone.

[Poopadoop]

I'd rather have a bunch of different houses in different parts of the world and move around every few months than have one giant house that takes a year to walk from one end to the other.

[OngBonga]

I can definitely see the appeal of that, but it's pretty bad to have empty properties most of the year. I guess if I had a different woman in each house, with a gang of animals, then we're getting somewhere.

[MadMojoMonkey]

If I had an unlimited budget for a house, I'd prioritize location. Find a plot of land in the tropics which I can rent off a decent part of for income and live in a medium-sized 2-bedroom with a couple of offices. I wouldn't use a pool or hot tub or anything like that, so no need. A beach view, or a short walk to a beach is enough. Somewhere I can noodle on guitar and maybe buy some fruity drinks.

It'd need to be close enough to civilization to have access to good medical care and to have solid internet.

Not much, really.

[OngBonga]

Dud I'm pretty sure if you have silly money, you don't need to worry about a "good internet connection" like it's a problem for people who can afford their own fucking antenna. But you're right, location would be huge for me. I don't want to be anywhere near a fault line, if I'm near the sea I want to be above tsunami height, and I don't want to live in a lawless country with tribal war going on. If there's hurricane and/or tornado risk, then the design of the house takes that into account, including shelter for the gang of animals. I want to be reasonably far away from a city, but near a market town with a rich farming history. Oh and minimum peak summer temperature is 25 degrees, while I'm flexible when it comes to winter so long as my house is easy to heat and my animals and trees will survive.

[oskar]

That's what's so sad about that house. You all know what you'd do with that kind of money. You'd think with unlimited money these super millionaires would be able to think of things that would be fun to do... High dive board, deep diving pool, climbing wall, skate park, roller coaster, water slide... but this mf is like: ok, we already have 5 pools... how about 2 more pools? It's just more shit you don't need, because you already have five of them in the same house! It's just depressing. It's like the react guy in the video says: he built a hotel. He built a hotel for one family, and there's nothing to do. You can stand up from one couch in front of a giant tv, walk half a mile and then sit down at another couch in front of a giant TV. You can only hope that there's a gun rack on the way so you can end yourself.

[OngBonga]

This man badly needs a dog in his life, that much is clear. Then I'd give him a dog's life before he offed himself.

[boost]

It feels like GTA III architecture. From the street it looks ok, from the air it looks fine, but you go inside and it's oddly cavernous, corridors suddenly become rooms, rooms become other rooms, it looks like there's an echo everywhere, and while it's cool at first, ultimately you're alone in a pointless sandbox.

[Poopadoop]

We need a new thread for MCGA, this guy lives in Canada apparently.

https://twitter.com/bobomonkeyrage/s...97348525600773

[oskar]

Are republicans ok?

[MadMojoMonkey]

I like the whole, "Obama said mean things about Trump. Waaaah!"
When you can easily dig up dozens of quotes of Republicans saying at least as bad about Trump.

Smoke and mirrors is all the Rep party seems to have in a post-Trump US.

[oskar]

Febuary, Brexit thread:

The next civil war, if we have one before the country just collapses as a whole, won't be Republican vs. Democrat or right vs. left. It'll be either: 1) the two center parties against the two fringe parties (who will also be against each other), or 2) everyone against communists.

The closest you'll get to a civil war is some militia larpers going Allahu Akbar on a vaccination tent.

This week:

Witnesses said Virginia Brown yelled “no vaccine” while almost hitting seven people with her SUV.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/virgi...b03135479fee17

I'm IN THE ZONE with this shit!

[Poopadoop]

Oskar, what's your over/under on number of days before someone goes MAGA on one of those vote recounting places? I'm going with about 19 days myself.

[Poopadoop]

That's some good work there.

[oskar]

I'm too out of the loop on this one. I am aware that there's a recount going on financed by republicans that is supposed to make Trumps ongoing claims sound less stupid.
Looking at T_D the interest in this seems to be rather low: https://patriots.win/p/12igvlHN0E/ma...feeds-52821/c/

This has been going on in some form or another for 7 months now. I think this one will fizzle out like all the other recounts and lawsuits... I'm taking the over. My feeling is that republicans are particularly low energy atm.

[oskar]

Except for these fuckers:

https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3dp...r-its-patriots

This thing is going to be lit!

[oskar]

From an entertainment standpoint, it's a tragedy that he's gone.

https://twitter.com/bobcesca_go/stat...871769095?s=20
https://twitter.com/BFriedmanDC/stat...121106947?s=20

[Poopadoop]

lmao @ his pants on backwards one. That's gotta be fake. How does he get to point of zipping up and not figure it out...unless someone else equally senile is dressing him now.

[oskar]

The best theory I've heard is that he uses stretch pants with a decorative zipper. That in conjunction with a mid day bathroom emergency may be the culprit.

[Poopadoop]

Fair point, and certainly plausible given his diet.

But on the video, does it not look like there's blurring where his zipper would be? (It also kind of looks like he's wearing adult diapers, which may fit with the other theory - maybe he just thought "fuck it, if I'm just gonna shit my pants anyways why worry about if the zipper is facing the right way")

[oskar]

No matter how much you don't want it to be true, the man clearly has his pants on backwards.
The creases are the final nail... Those are clearly butt creases.

[Poopadoop]

No matter how much you don't want it to be true, the man clearly has his pants on backwards.

Oh I want to believe it, don't worry about that...

The creases are the final nail... Those are clearly butt creases.

Good point. The other guy has a vertical crease down the middle of the front of his pants, whereas T has ass wrinkles on his.

[MadMojoMonkey]

IDK how your legs bend, man

I mean... the creases are clearly from the legs bending toward them.
IDK how you can bend your legs backward behind your butt in a way to get those creases.

[Poopadoop]

IDK how your legs bend, man

I mean... the creases are clearly from the legs bending toward them.

Trump can bend his knees?

I think they'd be behind the knees in that case, no? Not a crease expert, but don't these have to be from his fat ass sitting on them the day before?

[Poopadoop]

Waiting for Ong to show up now and tell us that at least he's not raping puppies.

[OngBonga]

Waiting for Ong to show up now and tell us that at least he's not raping puppies.

Trump? Nah. My response would be "at least he's no longer relevant".

Honestly, if people are still losing their shit about his continued existence, that tells you more about that person than Trump.

[Poopadoop]

if people are still losing their shit about his continued existence, that tells you more about that person than Trump.

Not sure what counts as "losing their shit," but I don't see anyone doing that. I'm sure someone is somewhere but I don't know them.

[Poopadoop]

Ahh, sorry guys this has been busted. I thought that crotch area looked blurred out.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tr...nts-backwards/

[oskar]

That last one looks like his entire torso is on backwards.

[Poopadoop]

Tried to insert the photo from this one, where he looks like the Leaning Tower of Cheeseburgers.

https://medium.com/@DrGJackBrown/bod...d-29a69fa4e742


Ok seriously, how does he not tip over here? His center of gravity is about a foot in front of where his legs are.

[Poopadoop]

One for the physics thread: What is holding him up?

[MadMojoMonkey]

One for the physics thread: What is holding him up?

He is full of hot air.

[oskar]

He is full of hot air.

[OngBonga]

Maybe he has special shoes. Today at work, I found amongst the tat a takeaway coffee cup that doesn't tip over. Somewhat fascinated, I took a look at it. It wasn't heavy at the bottom, instead it used suction. It worked in such a way that it was easy to lift off the table but not to tip. Maybe Trump's shoes have similar suction pads to keep him fixed to the floor.

[oskar]

Maybe he has special shoes. Today at work, I found amongst the tat a takeaway coffee cup that doesn't tip over. Somewhat fascinated, I took a look at it. It wasn't heavy at the bottom, instead it used suction. It worked in such a way that it was easy to lift off the table but not to tip. Maybe Trump's shoes have similar suction pads to keep him fixed to the floor.

Maybe it's the lamest use of this gimmick ever:



I checked out the unspillable mug thing, and if I was honest with myself I would get one, but buying that seems like an admission. My self-image is one of a person that navigates gracefully around mugs, and having that mug would break that illusion.

[Poopadoop]

It's either that or the world's strongest postural muscles. I'd laugh if the front of him was all goo and rolls, and the back was just totally ripped.

[boost]

My guess is that he's had a lifetime of practice leaning in that way. He's big on physical intimidation, think his notorious handshake pull and the town hall debate with Clinton. Being an already tall person, his presence is that much more imposing if he's not just taller but over you.

[Poopadoop]

Just when you thought Britain had taken over top spot as the country with the most dumb people in the world.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/cashier-de...l_twitter_abcn

[OngBonga]

If he has a previous felony on his record he'll get the death penalty for this.

Imagine thinking "fuck it, I'll do life or get the lethal injection because I'm annoyed with what that bitch just said to me". Imagine giving this few fucks about yourself or other people.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Trump cronies falling like dominoes.

[oskar]

Trump cronies falling like dominoes.

I don't believe it until one of those guys actually goes to big boy prison. The Weisselberg-will-bring-down-Trump storyline has been floating around for a couple of years now. All these financial crimes investigations feel like a farce. If there's one issue that crosses party lines, it's protecting capitalists from accountability.

[Poopadoop]

The routers are the key.

https://twitter.com/MollyJongFast/st...00263638609920

[oskar]

The routers are the key.

https://twitter.com/MollyJongFast/st...00263638609920

Anthony Atamanuik from Comedy Central's The President Show should sue Trump for stealing his impression of himself.

https://youtu.be/t7c6yU-tDEg?t=168

[OngBonga]

This thread has gone super quiet since Biden took over. It's as if he's a competent president not talking shit and being nice to migrants.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-58650753

If Trump sent a bunch of migrants back home on a plane, there would be uproar, calling him racist.

I knew Biden wouldn't be subject to the same standards as Trump. The left are, for the most part, hypocrites.

[Poopadoop]

Because he's not daily saying/doing something ridiculous/evil. He's just a standard generic US president.

[Poopadoop]

Biden's been shit to Haiti refugees.

Biden fucked up Afghanistan pull out.

Feel better now?

[OngBonga]

Do I feel better? Of course, it's not about how I feel, nice attempt at trying to make it about me though.

Why aren't you guys talking about Biden?

[OngBonga]

[Poopadoop]

That's funny. Did he really say that?

I mean, Trump said things that incoherent every other day, so it is a high bar to meet.

[OngBonga]

I very much doubt he said that, it just made me laugh.

[Poopadoop]

Yeah well, he's obviously senile. But I'd rather have the senile but otherwise mentally stable guy in charge than the senile guy who is unstable.

That said, I don't think Biden will end up rated as one of the best POTUS ever.

[MadMojoMonkey]

IDK what getting out of Afghanistan was supposed to look like, and I don't know how much of what is blamed on Biden is a logistically solvable problem. Presumably, he took the advice of the generals as far as how to go about what needed to be done.

It was/is a shitshow, but it was going to be that no matter who was POTUS at the time, and it's been 20 years of getting nothing for our investment and no other POTUS had the wherewithal to admit as much and do something about it. Of course the political fallout is bad. And Biden gets the fingers of blame pointed at him because those before him covered up the shitshow. Biden admitted to the shitshow, and gets the blame.

I mean... he did have a hand in starting it, if memory serves.


I'm not saying Biden is good, but anyone's better than Trump. It's shitty, but true when he said his responsibility isn't to the Afghan people, but to Americans. His job isn't to free Afghanistan or save them from the Taliban. He can choose to try that if he wants, but that's not his job. It's shitty, but that's the world we live in. Self-interest is cruel, but rational.

[OngBonga]

I mean... he did have a hand in starting it, if memory serves.

idk what Biden was doing back then, if he was part of the Bush administration and didn't oppose it then yeah he can take a share of the blame for us going there in the first place.

edit - he's a dem, do I don't see him being in Bush's govt. If he was a dem who voted for it, then he's still part of the blame.

[Poopadoop]

If he was a dem who voted for it, then he's still part of the blame.

Meh, I think voting against that war right after 9/11 would have been seen as worse than wiping your ass with a burning American flag for a US politician. One person did iirc and she got called a traitor and sent death threats (though she kept her seat, so there's that).

The war itself was kind of pointless. I'm not sure what they thought they could accomplish, other than look like they were doing something to combat terrorism. They were never going to turn Afganistan into a functioning democracy any more than they did in Iraq, or in Vietnam for that matter.

[OngBonga]

It's easy to get the Afghanistan war mixed up with Iraq tbf. Voting for the war against the Taliban isn't as bad as the Iraq war, for the simple reason there were at least official claims that the Taliban were providing shelter for the terrorists, "harbouring" was the word being dished out iirc. Whether they actually were is a whole different matter. But everyone knew Iraq had fuck all to do with it, so anyone who voted for that war really does have blood on their hands.