Trump is the WWE and Mueller is The Undertaker

[Poopadoop]

Don't see the US on there.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/...uality-of-life

[oskar]

The sad thing is, a lot of those countries have a significantly lower GDP than the US. The States are loaded. Things like Universal Healthcare should be a complete non-issue. Who the fuck cares about wealth past a certain point. What makes a huge difference is not living in pain. I am not very sympathetic towards trumptards, and to see them with their dumb maga hats on their toothless skulls gives me some satisfaction, but you can't think too much about it because then it becomes really sad. I've had some cavities. It is horrendous. Just the 24 hours until I could get to a dentist and get that shit fixed were torture. Imagine sailing past a filling, way past a root canal, to the point where the tooth needs to be extracted and you can't afford an implant... times 20. And then to vote against universal healthcare... you need to have fucking brain damage.

[BananaStand]

The sad thing is, a lot of those countries have a significantly lower GDP than the US.

And 1/10th the population.

I wonder if that matters?

[oskar]

huh?

[oskar]

I'll respond to the race realist shit later when I feel like it.

[Poopadoop]

huh?

I think what he means is that there's too many people in America, not enough standard of living to go around. Or something.

[BananaStand]

yeah

[BananaStand]

I'll respond to the race realist shit later when I feel like it.

If youre choosing to use the word realist....then you can save the effort.

we're already good

[CoccoBill]

Banana, ask wuf about economies of scale.

[BananaStand]

Banana, ask wuf about economies of scale.

Why don't you tell me professor?

And if you think that will work......then how about you take some 11 million spanish speaking illegal immigrants off of our hands. We'll give them a free ride, and we'll plop them down right in front of Helsinki city hall, and your shithole cuckdom can immediately start reaping the benefits of 'economies of scale'.

While you're at it....invite a few million Syrian and Yemeni refugees

All that scale......your economy will be so great....right?????

[Poopadoop]

Why don't you tell me professor?

And if you think that will work......then how about you take some 11 million spanish speaking illegal immigrants off of our hands. We'll give them a free ride, and we'll plop them down right in front of Helsinki city hall, and your shithole cuckdom can immediately start reaping the benefits of 'economies of scale'.

While you're at it....invite a few million Syrian and Yemeni refugees

All that scale......your economy will be so great....right?????

Oh man, you're sticking your foot so far into your mouth here your throat is gonna catch a fungus.

Where do you get the US has so many refugees? They've taken less refugees from Syria than Sweden, and with a population >30 x the size of Sweden's.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...ave-resettled/

Sweden made that top 10 list. You remember them, like, "last night in Sweden". Ya that place. The one that's full of refugees all going around burning down churches and raping babies. Somehow they're still in the top 10 of standard of living.

And what is about all those illegal immigrants you think is hurting you so bad? Is it that they'll work for less than minimum wage? Or, do you think they're all just sitting around collecting welfare checks with no social security no.? Or, is it that they're all MS13 "Bad Hombres."?

[BananaStand]

Where do you get the US has so many refugees? They've taken less refugees from Syria than Sweden, and with a population >30 x the size of Sweden's.

Where did I say anything about the number of refugees in the US?

Sweden made that top 10 list. Ya that place. The one that's full of refugees all going around burning down churches and raping babies.

That sucks for Sweden. Glad that shit didn't come here.

And what is about all those illegal immigrants you think is hurting you so bad?

Law breaking

Is it that they'll work for less than minimum wage?

More law breaking? Yes, that's a reason.

Or, do you think they're all just sitting around collecting welfare checks with no social security no.?

No, I think they are here to get medicaid and free education for their dependents. And they facilitate that with the aforementioned law breaking.

Or, is it that they're all MS13 "Bad Hombres."?

Enough of them are such that we can't allow open borders and unvetted immigration.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Bit of a non-sequitur, but I learned a bit more about the "family separation" stuff that was blowing up the news recently.


One problem with the conversations surrounding illegal immigration is that seeking asylum is not illegal, yet asylum seekers are handled by the same agencies and are not differentiated from the illegals.

Asylum seekers were hit pretty hard recently by the family separations. Whether any of us thinks it was an official policy or whatever is beside the point. Families were separated, and there is little to no record of which kids belonged to which parents. Many of those kids are so young that they don't know their parents names, which makes it harder to match up families when that time comes, yet no records were kept to alleviate this. The state had just a phone number to locate the person into whose care the kids were left. When loads of phone calls were not being answered, that's when the shit hit the fan.

People whom had not committed crimes were treated like criminals and the system in place was lacking in the funding and manpower to ever have a reasonable hope of reaching any form of justice in the long run.

[Poopadoop]

Where did I say anything about the number of refugees in the US?

then how about you take some 11 million spanish speaking illegal immigrants off of our hands.

While you're at it....invite a few million Syrian and Yemeni refugees

Sorry, what country were you referring to here? I just assumed it was the US. Were you not implying the US invited a few million refugees? Or what is that number about then?

Enough of them are such that we can't allow open borders and unvetted immigration.

You never had open border and unvetted immigration. Is this another thing you think the 'left' wants?

[Poopadoop]

Bit of a non-sequitur, but I learned a bit more about the "family separation" stuff that was blowing up the news recently.


One problem with the conversations surrounding illegal immigration is that seeking asylum is not illegal, yet asylum seekers are handled by the same agencies and are not differentiated from the illegals.

Asylum seekers were hit pretty hard recently by the family separations. Whether any of us thinks it was an official policy or whatever is beside the point. Families were separated, and there is little to no record of which kids belonged to which parents. Many of those kids are so young that they don't know their parents names, which makes it harder to match up families when that time comes, yet no records were kept to alleviate this. The state had just a phone number to locate the person into whose care the kids were left. When loads of phone calls were not being answered, that's when the shit hit the fan.

People whom had not committed crimes were treated like criminals and the system in place was lacking in the funding and manpower to ever have a reasonable hope of reaching any form of justice in the long run.

I mean I can't even begin to express what a human rights disaster this whole thing was. This was undoubtedly the biggest fuckup Team Trump has committed in a full eighteen months of almost daily fuckups of various scales.

The whole separation thing was petty, cruel, vindictive, completely unnecessary and devastating to those families. I've seen videos of little kids finally being re-united with parents and not even recognizing their own mothers. It's simply heartbreaking and I hope whoever's responsible gets taken to the Hague and thrown in a mouldy jail cell in a medeival dungeon where they get their eyes pecked out by ravens, because that's where they belong.

[BananaStand]

Or what is that number about then?

Icing on the cake.

You never had open border and unvetted immigration.

How did we end up with a double-digit million population of people who don't belong here?????

Is this another thing you think the 'left' wants?

Yes, and that's not really a matter of opinion. It is clearly their stated agenda

[BananaStand]

whoever's responsible

Mexico

[Poopadoop]

Icing on the cake.

Might as well make it 10 million then if you're going to make up numbers. How about 100 million?

How did we end up with a double-digit million population of people who don't belong here?????

Dunno. But every time I go to the US I don't see a big swinging door and 'welcome' sign.

Yes, and that's not really a matter of opinion. It is clearly their stated agenda

According to them or according to you-know-who? (never mind, I already know).

[Poopadoop]

Probably Stephen Miller and definitely, ultimately Trump who let it happen

fyp

[BananaStand]

According to them or according to you-know-who? (never mind, I already know).

"My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders"

-Hillary Clinton, 2013

[Poopadoop]

-Hillary Clinton, 2013

Speaking to a group of corporate types in private is more than one step removed from a stated policy. She said whatever she thought would get them to give her money. Surely you know that.

If she had said things like that in public you might have an actual argument.

[BananaStand]

Speaking to a group of corporate types in private is more than one step removed from a stated policy. She said whatever she thought would get them to give her money. Surely you know that.

If she had said things like that in public you might have an actual argument.

Go look at the Democrat party's stated platform. It *claims* to support legal immigration, but then goes on a tear talking about "our broken system".

Right now the system is "have a visa, or get the fuck out". It's not broken. If you think it's broken, then you must be embracing some OTHER policy.

[Poopadoop]

Go look at the Democrat party's stated platform. It *claims* to support legal immigration, but then goes on a tear talking about "our broken system".

Right now the system is "have a visa, or get the fuck out". It's not broken. If you think it's broken, then you must be embracing some OTHER policy.

You're surprised they're trying to capitalize on separation-gate? And yea, i would agree that any system that allows that to happen is 'broken'.

It's a bit of a leap though to go from that to 'let's stop doing cavity searches at the border' or whatever you think is the next step down that slippery slope.

[BananaStand]

Speaking to a group of corporate types in private is more than one step removed from a stated policy. She said whatever she thought would get them to give her money. Surely you know that.

Hilary: Hey Brazil, I'll give you lip service with regard to whatever government policy you want as long as you give me money

Trump: Hey Russia, I'll give you lip service with regard to whatever government policy you want as long as you leak Podesta's emails.

Funny, you think one of those is fine, and the other is treason.

It's also kind of ironic how the first thing actually happened, and you're fine with it. The second thing is barely supported by the most partisan speculation, and you think it's a constitutional crisis.

[BananaStand]

You're surprised they're trying to capitalize on separation-gate? And yea, i would agree that any system that allows that to happen is 'broken'.

The Dems official 2016 platform was written before separation gate.

[Poopadoop]

Hilary: Hey Brazil, I'll give you lip service with regard to whatever government policy you want as long as you give me money

Trump: Hey Russia, I'll give you lip service with regard to whatever government policy you want as long as you leak Podesta's emails.

Funny, you think one of those is fine, and the other is treason.

It's also kind of ironic how the first thing actually happened, and you're fine with it. The second thing is barely supported by the most partisan speculation, and you think it's a constitutional crisis.

Haha, I don't think either one is fine. Where did I say that? Try not to imagine things you want to believe, but rather find out the real facts before you speak.

The issue with Trump also goes much deeper than 'lip service'. Even the least partisan speculator can see there is something fishy going on there. Even ignoring his multiple public pronouncements which have been all but tantamount to confessions, you have to be literally drowning in the Kool-Aid to think Trump is a legit business man who has legit reasons for trying to hide his dealings with Russians.

[Poopadoop]

The Dems official 2016 platform was written before separation gate.

I would have to fact check this but really can't be bothered. Let's just assume the Dems want no border patrol and baby rapists pouring into the country to vote illegally for them by the millions, if that will make you happy. Never mind that Obama went wild exporting illegals.

[BananaStand]

The issue with Trump also goes much deeper than 'lip service'.

Yeah, he's also killed a few Russian soldiers and armed a few Russian enemies.

[BananaStand]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...ng-to-fbi.html

WOMP WOMP

Lol.....14 days. The guy must be rotten to the core!!!!

[Poopadoop]

Big win for Trump fans I guess when someone gets off with a light sentence lol.

Papadopoulos was also sentenced to 13 months supervised release, 200 hours community service and a $9,500 fine. Before his sentencing, the former adviser said he was “deeply embarrassed and ashamed.”

Happy days.

[Poopadoop]

Yeah, he's also killed a few Russian soldiers and armed a few Russian enemies.

You mean his staff, right? 'cause apparently they just ignore his orders and do what they want lol.

[CoccoBill]

Why don't you tell me professor?

Ok sure.

And 1/10th the population.

I wonder if that matters?

It does, due to economies of scale. Here, let me help:

"Economies of scale refer to reduced costs per unit that arise from increased total output of a product. For example, a larger factory will produce power hand tools at a lower unit price, and a larger medical system will reduce cost per medical procedure."

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/e...iesofscale.asp

What that means is that it's more economical to do it for 10x the population.

[BananaStand]

What that means is that it's more economical to do it for 10x the population.

"Do it"

Pure socialist propaganda.

As if there is only "do" and "not-do". Sorry, its more subtle than that.

Lets see how your marxist cuckdom fares when your healthcare system is challenged to "do it" with a high level of effectiveness.

Lets see if your country can achieve the same 5 year cancer survival rate as the US, or allow people to see specialists without a 14 month wait, and not go bankrupt.

[Poopadoop]

Lets see if your country can achieve the same 5 year cancer survival rate as the US, or allow people to see specialists without a 14 month wait, and not go bankrupt.

Let's see if the US can pull up its socks on everything else.

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/...able-countries

Now, let's see how you justify that overall weak performance as a function of how much you spend per capita.

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/...-amount-health

Now, let's talk about which way works better.

[BananaStand]

Let's see if the US can pull up its socks on everything else.

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/...able-countries

Now, let's see how you justify that overall weak performance as a function of how much you spend per capita.

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/...-amount-health

Now, let's talk about which way works better.

You're improperly assuming causation.

One of the side effects of being superbly great at just about fucking everything is that folks tend to lead a gluttonous and sedentary lifestyle. That's what's negatively affecting the charts you've cited.

And when we get heart disease, we REALLY get heart disease. That's the American way.

By all biological standards and common sense, the average american should weigh 400 lbs and die at 31. The fact that we don't is a testament to our miraculous level of medical treatment. Don't fuck that up with socialism.

[Poopadoop]

You're improperly assuming causation.

Well you can't have it both ways. You can't cite being good at treating cancer as a sign of the quality of your system and then cite being poor at treating everything else as a different sign of the quality of your system.

Spending 2x as much on health care per capita to die younger is not great. Unless you're a pharma company I guess.

One of the side effects of being superbly great at just about fucking everything is that folks tend to lead a gluttonous and sedentary lifestyle. That's what's negatively affecting the charts you've cited.

Sorry, but great countries don't encourage people to be fat and lazy. That's not being great, that's being shit.

[CoccoBill]

Pure capitalist propaganda.

FYP.

Possibly, but like I said ask wuf, he knows more about that.

[oskar]

William Galston (former economic adviser to President Clinton) published a study (twice, a decade apart, with identical results) that showed the following: If you A) Finish High school B) Don't have a kid out of wedlock and C) Don't have a kid before age 21 then the chances that you will live in poverty are less than 10%. That's it. It's really that simple. And that same study found that your chances of living in poverty were greater than 90% if you were missing even one of those three things. I know I've posted this before. And I know I'm off by a few %'s. But I think you get the point.

The teenage pregnancy rate, the highschool dropout rate, and the wedlock birth rate among blacks are absolutely abysmal compared to whites.

It's not racist cops getting teenage black girls pregnant.

It's not white privilege forcing black kids to drop out of high school.
...
Stay in school. Wear a condom. How hard is that, really?

There's something to be said about brevity. Of That whole wall of text you posted this is the only part that has any substance as far as I can tell, and the substance is that you're confused about causality. Basically what you're saying is: you avoid being poor by avoiding the symptoms of poverty. That is a circular argument.

But I'm not sure what the overarching point is. I don't see a point in arguing whether or not black people wear stupid pants if you can't tell me how that's even relevant to you.

[BananaStand]

Basically what you're saying is: you avoid being poor by avoiding the symptoms of poverty. That is a circular argument.

Teenage pregnancy, high school drop outs, and non-nuclear families are not symptoms of poverty. They're causes.

You know what's a stupid argument.....when one group of people has 30% of their babies while married, and another group has 70% of their babies while married....and expecting equal outcomes.

And you know Oskar.......you should really go fuck yourself.

You asked a question, I answered it. Rather than respond intelligently and debate in good faith, you just cherry pick which part of the argument you don't like, chastise it, and then don't even put a shred of a counter argument into the debate. You're just a cunt suffering from cognitive dissonance over the fact that DATA PROVES that white people are not the source of black people's problems. I'm sure life was a lot easier when you could just blame honkies for all the inequality in the world. I'm sure it was fun having political debates when all you had to do was cloak yourself in irrational compassion and virtue-signal. I hope you get AIDS.

[OngBonga]

Teenage pregnancy, high school drop outs, and non-nuclear families are not symptoms of poverty. They're causes.

They are both causes and symptons of poverty. I mean, if you're poor and young, you're naive and resentful because rich kids have things you don't, and you're not old enough yet to understand why that is. So you feel detached from the real world, dick about at school, fuck girls, get them pregnant, and the next generation of povos are born while as adults they largely go on to claim benefits to feed their offspring since they are unemployable.

Poverty isn't a choice, for the most part. It's like a drug addiction. It's possible to drag yourself out of poverty, but you have to have the will. Some people just haven't got what it takes.

[BananaStand]

Poverty isn't a choice, for the most part. It's like a drug addiction. It's possible to drag yourself out of poverty, but you have to have the will. Some people just haven't got what it takes.

Absolute bullshit.

I've already cited the study that clearly explains what you have to do to not be poor. Wear a condom, and stay in school. Everyone has what it takes. Everyone. Not just some people. Everyone.

Furthermore, I'll have to dig up the study so I can cite properly, but there is data that says if you A) Finish high school B) Don't have kids out of wedlock and C) have a job, then your chances of being middle class is above 90%. Not just "not poor", but squarely in the middle class.

Having babies out of wedlock and dropping out of high school are CHOICES.

[OngBonga]

The problem is you're trying to impress these values on naive stupid kids who don't really care about their future until it's too late.

[oskar]

So black people are both genetically inferior on the intelligence scale, but also fully capable ofreaching equal socio-economic status. How do you reconcile those two theories?

[BananaStand]

So black people are both genetically inferior on the intelligence scale, but also fully capable ofreaching equal socio-economic status. How do you reconcile those two theories?

I have no idea why you're asking me. That first theory isn't something I've ever thought. That second one is worded in a way that also misrepresents my views.

I said that there is data demonstrating a difference in average IQ between the races. I'm quite sure I emphasized my understanding that science has not yet determined to what degree IQ is influenced by environmental factors, and how much is heritable. It's entirely plausible that black people are genetically superior, and environmental factors drag them down more than a whole standard deviation.

So I'm not sure where you're getting "genetically inferior"

And I also don't know where you're getting "equal" socio-economic status? The information I've cited proves that every individual person, black or white, has equal opportunity to be 'not-poor'. All you have to do is do your homework and never make love without the glove.

[BananaStand]

Hey Oskar. You claim to want a world without racism. Yet you want so badly for me to be a racist. How do you reconcile those two theories?

[oskar]

What kinds of environmental factors do you think could "drag them down?"

[Poopadoop]

Hey Oskar. You claim to want a world without racism. Yet you want so badly for me to be a racist. How do you reconcile those two theories?

Above and beyond your vocabulary issues, you really have trouble linking two ideas logically for someone with a professed genius level IQ.

Lets' assume Oskar wants a world without racism. He never came out and said such, but it seems consistent at least with his stated opinions about racists. So let's presume that's true.

Now, why would he then WANT you to be racist? It would be completely the opposite to what he portrays as his views. In fact, it's not hard for an actual high IQ person to conclude that he doesn't WANT you to be a racist, but he THINKS you are a racist and what he WANTS is to get you to admit it either directly or indirectly.

Do you see the difference between those two very simple ideas? I hope so, because it's not at all subtle.

Now let's discuss your use of the word 'theories'. A theory is not about what someone WANTS, it's about what someone BELIEVES or hypothesizes. You may in fact WANT your belief to be true, but that is orthogonal to what your ACTUAL belief is.

I know you claim to be like a smart person, but please, I implore you, consult a dictionary once in a while. And please, try to understand at least the basics of logical thought. It will save you a lot of embarrrassment.

[Poopadoop]

The information I've cited proves that every individual person, black or white, has equal opportunity to be 'not-poor'. All you have to do is do your homework and never make love without the glove.

This shows such a complete lack of consideration of any nuance that exists in the outcome of a given person's 'success' that it suggests you either don't understand the issue beyond the most basic level of complexity or that you're purposely ignoring it.

Correlation does not prove causation. So we don't know that it's staying in school, avoiding teen pregnancy, and being employed that are the prime movers in this equation. There may be other things that contribute to those three variables that in turn lead to poor outcomes. Some of those things may not be down to the individual, for example,the quality of the education system they're in for one. To give a concrete example, if you had gone to a better school, or stayed in school longer than it took to become a whiz at using Excel, you might not have ended up saying such simpleminded things.

Your ignorant, 'A --> B' view of how things work seems to be that the individual has not only the PRIME responsibility for how their life turns out (which I agree with in principle), but the SOLE responsibility (which cannot be true unless you subscribe to genetic -i.e., racist - views, and which as such, I disagree with in principle).

By this logic, because blacks in the US commit a greater number of these life follies than whites, there must be something instrinsically wrong with black people.

And then you wonder why someone challenges your views as racist.

[OngBonga]

So we don't know that it's staying in school, avoiding teen pregnancy, and being employed that are the prime movers in this equation.

Employment is literally the best way out of poverty. Education is literally the best way to get employed. Not being a parent is literally the best way to find the time to study and work.

I might disagree with banana on a fair few points when it comes to poverty, but not this one. Doing these things gives you the best chance of not being poor. Where I disagree is that a lot of people in poverty have made poor life decisions before they begin to care about their future, that their path out of poverty is compromised by drugs or the burden of children. Does everyone have what it takes to avoid this path? I'm not as sure as banana. But for those who do take the path banana advises... well good for them, they're moving in the right direction for sure.

[BananaStand]

Above and beyond your vocabulary issues, you really have trouble linking two ideas logically for someone with a professed genius level IQ.

Lets' assume Oskar wants a world without racism. He never came out and said such, but it seems consistent at least with his stated opinions about racists. So let's presume that's true.

Now, why would he then WANT you to be racist? It would be completely the opposite to what he portrays as his views. In fact, it's not hard for an actual high IQ person to conclude that he doesn't WANT you to be a racist, but he THINKS you are a racist and what he WANTS is to get you to admit it either directly or indirectly.

Do you see the difference between those two very simple ideas? I hope so, because it's not at all subtle.

Now let's discuss your use of the word 'theories'. A theory is not about what someone WANTS, it's about what someone BELIEVES or hypothesizes. You may in fact WANT your belief to be true, but that is orthogonal to what your ACTUAL belief is.

I know you claim to be like a smart person, but please, I implore you, consult a dictionary once in a while. And please, try to understand at least the basics of logical thought. It will save you a lot of embarrrassment.

Hair splitting vocabulary????? This is what you're reduced to now? LOL. MadMojoMonkey would be proud

[BananaStand]

If you're gonna play the "correlation is not causation" card when the correlation is over 90%, you're a fucking idiot. Plain and simple.

[Poopadoop]

Empoyment is literally the best way out of poverty. Education is literally the best way to get employed. Not being a parent is literally the best way to find the time to study and work.

You just missed the entire point.

It may be the use 'prime mover' that's confusing here. When I use that term, I'm referring to ultimate, not proximate causes.

Yes, I agree those things are fundamentally important. My point is that not everyone has equal access to employment, education, and positive life choices (this last is more subtle because it involves access to positive encouragement regarding life choices through role models, etc., rather than simply 'can i find a condom?')

[Poopadoop]

If you're gonna play the "correlation is not causation" card when the correlation is over 90%, you're a fucking idiot. Plain and simple.

No, you're the fucking idiot. Very plain and simple. First, because you don't understand this year 1 statistical concept. Second, because you think correlations are expressed in percentages.

There's a >.9 correlation between how far away something is and how small it appears to be. By your logic, this proves the sun is the smaller than a basketball.

[Poopadoop]

Hair splitting vocabulary????? This is what you're reduced to now? LOL. MadMojoMonkey would be proud

If you can't use even simple words properly, how can you make solid arguments?

I mean, even if you could use them properly, your arguments would still make no sense, but at least you'd look slightly less stupid.

[OngBonga]

My point is that not everyone has equal access to employment, education, and positive life choices

Well they do here in the UK, I can't know if that's the case in USA. As a child, I was dragged through the care system. I had all the opportunities I could expect to get somewhere in life. I chose not to take them, and those choices were made as an adult. So if you're telling me poor kids don't have the chance to better themselves, it's simply not true in the UK.

People who consider themselves victims, they're the ones who don't have a chance. Their mindset is... I can't help myself, so others should do it for me. That's the problem. Mindset. If their mindset is... work hard to better myself, then they will better themselves. LOTS of people drag themselves from the slums of all over the world to succeed as footballers, businessmen, perhaps even presidents. If you blame other people for where you are in life, then you're ill equipped to take responsibility for your future.

[Poopadoop]

Well they do here in the UK

This is ignoring a lot of the systematic racism that exists in this country. You only have to go count the number of asians working at petrol stations to see this. So either you think there's a different level of opportunity for people based on colour or you think asians have an aptitude for low-paying menial jobs.

[BananaStand]

By this logic, because blacks in the US commit a greater number of these life follies than whites, there must be something instrinsically wrong with black people.

And then you wonder why someone challenges your views as racist.

Why would that logic be racist? I believe there is something intrinsicially wrong with black culture. Thugs should not be role models. Political leaders should not be pushing a narrative of imagined victimization. There is not enough emphasis on education. there is an indifference to drugs and violence. Disrespect for women is tolerated at a level that is almost unimaginable. I could go on. But I don't see how any of this might influence my judgement of any individual black person in any given situation. None of these beliefs influence my behavior, except that it lessens the amount of sympathy of I have for narratives of victimization.

[OngBonga]

This is ignoring a lot of the systematic racism that exists in this country. You only have to go count the number of asians working at petrol stations to see this. So either you think there's a different level of opportunity for people based on colour or you think asians have an aptitude for low-paying menial jobs.

Do you know why there's lots of Asians working at petrol stations? Because their Asian fathers own them.

It has nothing to do with racism, and everything to do with immigrants looking for business opportunities to justify their citizenship. Good for them.

[BananaStand]

BTW the quality of a school is a bullshit reason for dropping out. The Galston study made no distinctions for quality of school. It found that all you had to do was show up. It doesnt' have to be good. It doesn't have to teach you math. It doesn't have to get you into college. It just h has to be able to get you a diploma if you show up every day.

You're really telling me black teens are holding their noses and walking out of science class forever because the place doesn't meet their standards for a learning institution. Get fucking real.

Black kids are dropping out because there is another black guy outside the school offering him $1000 a week to peddle crack.

The black kid makes a bad decision, and for some reason, we're all ok with that.

The black recruiter is predatory and evil, but for some reason, that doesn't concern anyone.

The black kid's black parents don't seem to be helping the kid make good decisions, but for some reason, we don't seem to expect them to.

and when that black kid can't get ahead in society because he has no education and a criminal record......that's racism.

Just get the fuck out please.

[Poopadoop]

Why would that logic be racist? I believe there is something intrinsicially wrong with black culture. Thugs should not be role models. Political leaders should not be pushing a narrative of imagined victimization. There is not enough emphasis on education. there is an indifference to drugs and violence. Disrespect for women is tolerated at a level that is almost unimaginable. I could go on.

Wait for it...

But I don't see how any of this might influence my judgement of any individual black person in any given situation. None of these beliefs influence my behavior

/thread.

[Poopadoop]

Do you know why there's lots of Asians working at petrol stations? Because their Asian fathers own them.

Uh huh. Moving on.

It has nothing to do with racism,

You really think there's no systematic racism in the UK? I'm not saying we're on the level of America, but come on.

[oskar]

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I said that there is data demonstrating a difference in average IQ between the races. I'm quite sure I emphasized my understanding that science has not yet determined to what degree IQ is influenced by environmental factors, and how much is heritable. It's entirely plausible that black people are genetically superior, and environmental factors drag them down more than a whole standard deviation.

What kinds of environmental factors do you think could "drag them down?"

[OngBonga]

Uh huh. Moving on.

You really think there's no systematic racism in the UK? I'm not saying we're on the level of America, but come on.

Well Asian people at petrol stations is not evidence of systematic racism, on the contrary it demonstrates that immigrants are given equal opportunities to invest in community businesses.

Where is the systematic racism in the UK? Give actual examples, I'm open to persuasion.

[BananaStand]

What kinds of environmental factors do you think could "drag them down?"

Teenage pregnancy. Also, see psot #734

[BananaStand]

Wait for it...



/thread.

You're gonna have to explain that to me bro.

[OngBonga]

The existence of the Black Police Officer's Association, but not a white equivalent, that's systematic racism.

But I'm sure you're looking for examples that favour whites, rather than discriminate against them.

[Poopadoop]

Well Asian people at petrol stations is not evidence of systematic racism, on the contrary it demonstrates that immigrants are given equal opportunities to invest in community businesses.

Where is the systematic racism in the UK? Give actual examples, I'm open to persuasion.

How many black kids go to Eton and Oxbridge?

Why do we actually need laws that say 'you can't discriminate' if no-one is discrminating?

[Poopadoop]

The existence of the Black Police Officer's Association, but not a white equivalent, that's systematic racism.

But I'm sure you're looking for examples that favour whites, rather than discriminate against them.

Not at all. I just don't think that's an example of racism.

A better question is why do they think they need a Black POA? Do you think they're getting together to plot against Whites, or does it have some more constructive purpose?

[BananaStand]

A black kid has a 6x better chance of getting into Harvard Medical school than an Asian kid with the same grades

Systemic racism

[BananaStand]

A better question is why do they think they need a Black POA? Do you think they're getting together to plot against Whites, or does it have some more constructive purpose?

Trick question. The answer can be neither.

[OngBonga]

How many black kids go to Eton and Oxbridge?

Why do we actually need laws that say 'you can't discriminate' if no-one is discrminating?

How many black kids go to Eton or Oxbridge? I have no idea. More than zero. How many white non-Mulsim kids are at the expensive Islamic schools? Maybe if they didn't exist, there would be more rich immigrants at Eton.

And why do we need a law? Because individuals need to be told what is and isn't illegal. An individual being racist is not systematic racism, it's just racism.

[OngBonga]

Not at all. I just don't think that's an example of racism.

A better question is why do they think they need a Black POA? Do you think they're getting together to plot against Whites, or does it have some more constructive purpose?

The point of the BPOA is it is a body that represents the interests of minorities in the police force. Why do minorities need representation but not majorities?

There's no plot, but it is discrimination against whites. What would happen if someone tried to create a white POA body? Outrage, and accusations of racism.

[Poopadoop]

You're gonna have to explain that to me bro.

Let me put this a way you might understand: If I said "I think New Hampshire culture is a bunch of white people running around in pickup trucks with confederate flags (ya ya i know) and sawed off shotguns, chewing tobacco and shouting the n-word. But whenever I meet one i just forget all that and treat them like anyone else."

Would you believe that?

[Poopadoop]

but it is discrimination against whites.

Silly.

What would happen if someone tried to create a white POA body? Outrage, and accusations of racism.

The majority doesn't need protection by virtue of it being the majority. It's already protected by its majority-ness.

Outrage, and accusations of racism.

I don't know about that. I think most people would just find it silly.

But let's say there was outrage. That for some reason, the police who are known for being at least a bit racist (or having some racists on their force) decide to form a WPOA would not sit well with a lot of people I guess wouldn't surprise me.

[Poopadoop]

Trick question. The answer can be neither.

You mean there's a less constructive purpose than plotting against whites?