Trump is the WWE and Mueller is The Undertaker

[BananaStand]

So black people are both genetically inferior on the intelligence scale, but also fully capable ofreaching equal socio-economic status. How do you reconcile those two theories?

I have no idea why you're asking me. That first theory isn't something I've ever thought. That second one is worded in a way that also misrepresents my views.

I said that there is data demonstrating a difference in average IQ between the races. I'm quite sure I emphasized my understanding that science has not yet determined to what degree IQ is influenced by environmental factors, and how much is heritable. It's entirely plausible that black people are genetically superior, and environmental factors drag them down more than a whole standard deviation.

So I'm not sure where you're getting "genetically inferior"

And I also don't know where you're getting "equal" socio-economic status? The information I've cited proves that every individual person, black or white, has equal opportunity to be 'not-poor'. All you have to do is do your homework and never make love without the glove.

[Poopadoop]

The information I've cited proves that every individual person, black or white, has equal opportunity to be 'not-poor'. All you have to do is do your homework and never make love without the glove.

This shows such a complete lack of consideration of any nuance that exists in the outcome of a given person's 'success' that it suggests you either don't understand the issue beyond the most basic level of complexity or that you're purposely ignoring it.

Correlation does not prove causation. So we don't know that it's staying in school, avoiding teen pregnancy, and being employed that are the prime movers in this equation. There may be other things that contribute to those three variables that in turn lead to poor outcomes. Some of those things may not be down to the individual, for example,the quality of the education system they're in for one. To give a concrete example, if you had gone to a better school, or stayed in school longer than it took to become a whiz at using Excel, you might not have ended up saying such simpleminded things.

Your ignorant, 'A --> B' view of how things work seems to be that the individual has not only the PRIME responsibility for how their life turns out (which I agree with in principle), but the SOLE responsibility (which cannot be true unless you subscribe to genetic -i.e., racist - views, and which as such, I disagree with in principle).

By this logic, because blacks in the US commit a greater number of these life follies than whites, there must be something instrinsically wrong with black people.

And then you wonder why someone challenges your views as racist.

[BananaStand]

By this logic, because blacks in the US commit a greater number of these life follies than whites, there must be something instrinsically wrong with black people.

And then you wonder why someone challenges your views as racist.

Why would that logic be racist? I believe there is something intrinsicially wrong with black culture. Thugs should not be role models. Political leaders should not be pushing a narrative of imagined victimization. There is not enough emphasis on education. there is an indifference to drugs and violence. Disrespect for women is tolerated at a level that is almost unimaginable. I could go on. But I don't see how any of this might influence my judgement of any individual black person in any given situation. None of these beliefs influence my behavior, except that it lessens the amount of sympathy of I have for narratives of victimization.

[Poopadoop]

Why would that logic be racist? I believe there is something intrinsicially wrong with black culture. Thugs should not be role models. Political leaders should not be pushing a narrative of imagined victimization. There is not enough emphasis on education. there is an indifference to drugs and violence. Disrespect for women is tolerated at a level that is almost unimaginable. I could go on.

Wait for it...

But I don't see how any of this might influence my judgement of any individual black person in any given situation. None of these beliefs influence my behavior

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[BananaStand]

Wait for it...



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You're gonna have to explain that to me bro.

[Poopadoop]

You're gonna have to explain that to me bro.

Let me put this a way you might understand: If I said "I think New Hampshire culture is a bunch of white people running around in pickup trucks with confederate flags (ya ya i know) and sawed off shotguns, chewing tobacco and shouting the n-word. But whenever I meet one i just forget all that and treat them like anyone else."

Would you believe that?

[BananaStand]

Let me put this a way you might understand: If I said "I think New Hampshire culture is a bunch of white people running around in pickup trucks with confederate flags (ya ya i know) and sawed off shotguns, chewing tobacco and shouting the n-word. But whenever I meet one i just forget all that and treat them like anyone else."

Would you believe that?

Maybe. It would help if there was some data backing up those claims. "bunch of white people" is probably self-evidently accurate. But the rest of it requires some extensive citations. Like why do you believe there is a disproportionate amount of pickup trucks? Why do you believe there is a higher prevalence of sawed off shotguns? Have you seen chewing tobacco sales figures by state? Or by state per capita? Is tehre something we all need to know about that? How many New Hampshire-ians have you heard utter the n-word?

Furthermore, it would be pretty unreasonable of you to treat anyone from new hampshire negatively because of this preconceived notion. You could meet someone driving a sedan, unarmed, with clean teeth, and not greeting you with racists pejoratives. You would know instantly that your preconeption was inaccurate, and then you could proceed accordingly.

That all seems reasonable. If you then continued to interact with that person as if they were an armed racist supporting the confederacy (in a union state?????), then you would be in the wrong. Or, if your preconception proves true, then also proceed accordingly. the preconception is bad but that doesnt' mean you have to feel guilty if it's confirmed.