Trump is the WWE and Mueller is The Undertaker

[OngBonga]

Ok, so let's assume that the Trump administration are guilty of taking money off Russian sources to fund their election.

How does that compare to taking money off Gadaffi for the same purpose? Because I'd love to know how you feel about Blair, Macron and Obama taking his money, and doing their best to keep it quiet. And by "their best", I mean exactly what you think I mean.

[Poopadoop]

Ok, so let's assume that the Trump administration are guilty of taking money off Russian sources to fund their election.

How does that compare to taking money off Gadaffi for the same purpose? Because I'd love to know how you feel about Blair, Macron and Obama taking his money, and doing their best to keep it quiet. And by "their best", I mean exactly what you think I mean.

If they did it, they all broke the law afaik and should be (or have been) tossed out.

[OngBonga]

If they did it, they all broke the law afaik and should be (or have been) tossed out.

My point is, you're being naive if you think that only "they" are doing it, with "them" being your political opponents. Financial backing from shady sources is what modern politics is built on.

[Poopadoop]

My point is, you're being naive if you think that only "they" are doing it, with "them" being your political opponents. Financial backing from shady sources is what modern politics is built on.

I never said only people I dislike the most break the law. All politicians are scumbags until proven otherwise imo - it's the nature of the game. Doesn't mean they should get away with it though.

[OngBonga]

I never said only people I dislike the most break the law. All politicians are scumbags until proven otherwise imo - it's the nature of the game. Doesn't mean they should get away with it though.

Fair enough, but if this kind of corruption is a problem for you, I don't see how you can support any party.

[Poopadoop]

Fair enough, but if this kind of corruption is a problem for you, I don't see how you can support any party.

haha, I don't. I support the least objectionable ones I can find.

[Poopadoop]

Ok, so let's assume that the Trump administration are guilty of taking money off Russian sources to fund their election.

Well the clearest evidence to date wasn't about accepting money. Look at the Don Jr. emails - he's talking to a Russian about getting dirt on their opponent. Then he's having a meeting in Trump Tower with reps. of Russian gov't. How much more obvious can it be? The only question is whether DJT knew about it or not (really the question is if it can be proved, cause obv. he's gonna know what his kid is doing).

[OngBonga]

Well the clearest evidence to date wasn't about accepting money. Look at the Don Jr. emails - he's talking to a Russian about getting dirt on their opponent. Then he's having a meeting in Trump Tower with reps. of Russian gov't. How much more obvious can it be? The only question is whether DJT knew about it or not (really the question is if it can be proved, cause obv. he's gonna know what his kid is doing).

"getting dirt"

In the case of Hillary, the dirt in question was her corruption. It's astonishing really that people are more bothered about the fact Americans are working with Russians to expose this, than they are at the content of the leaks.

If they're faking dirt, that's different, and amounts to fraud at the very least. I'm not arguing that's not criminal.

[Poopadoop]

"getting dirt"

In the case of Hillary, the dirt in question was her corruption. It's astonishing really that people are more bothered about the fact Americans are working with Russians to expose this, than they are at the content of the leaks.

If they're faking dirt, that's different, and amounts to fraud at the very least. I'm not arguing that's criminal.

I thought the dirt was her 30k emails. Not sure what that has to do with corruption. More to do with sloppy security in letting them get hacked if you ask me.

What evidence of her corruption did the Russians uncover?

[OngBonga]

I thought the dirt was her 30k emails. Not sure what that has to do with corruption. More to do with sloppy security in letting them get hacked if you ask me.

What evidence of her corruption did the Russians uncover?

I can't remember, I lost interest in it long ago.

[Poopadoop]

In the end, I probably wouldn't want to see Trump thrown out just cause his kid is an idiot at covering his tracks. But I suspect there's more to the story than that; there's a real belief among some people that Trump is compromised by Putin somehow, be it money laundering or sex or some other greasy thing he doesn't want coming out. He's got something like 57 business associates in Russia, including members of organised crime. So if Al Capone ran for and won the Presidency would you just say 'it's ok at least he's not a democrat' Come on.

There's also the fact that Trump has really no idea what he's doing as President. And sorry, but if you can't see that after 2 years well I don't know what to tell you.