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    Quote Originally Posted by CoccoBill View Post
    A serious question: what evidence is there that suggests Trump is smart?
    There are different kinds of smart. The smart it takes to brand yourself in particular way and constantly self-aggrandize yourself and your brand relates to business acumen. I think that's more or less where it ends with Trump.

    Where he seems not smart is in self-monitoring. That is, he seems completely incapable of adapting his behaviour to context or resisting an impulse to act. Of course the riposte to this is that this behaviour is really all part of the show and reflects a strategic 3D chess game that goes beyond our understanding as non-geniuses. Nonetheless, it's undeniably paradoxical that a wily politician repeatedly says thing that offend 2/3 of the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    There are different kinds of smart. The smart it takes to brand yourself in particular way and constantly self-aggrandize yourself and your brand relates to business acumen.
    No. Intelligence is Intelligence. You don't get to slice and dice it up just so you can pigeon hole your political rival into only being smart on 'certain things'. It's also kind of a backdoor statement about your self which seems both erroneous and irrelevant. You're basically saying that you have some kind of supreme wordly intelligence that not only allows you to slice and dice, but to point to someone like Trump and belittle him for 'only' having the specific type of intelligence to build a multi-billion dollar empire of business success and celebrity.

    I think that's more or less where it ends with Trump.
    Well thanks for your opinion. It's so nice to have input from someone who so deeply understands the granularity of intelligence. /sarcasm. Now get the fuck over yourself.

    Where he seems not smart is in self-monitoring. That is, he seems completely incapable of adapting his behaviour to context or resisting an impulse to act.
    Jeeeezus man, ego much? Just because he doesn't act how YOU would act, that means he lacks intelligence? His behavior seems to be working just fine for him up to this point.

    Of course the riposte to this is that this behaviour is really all part of the show and reflects a strategic 3D chess game that goes beyond our understanding as non-geniuses.
    No, that's something you want to believe to make yourself feel smarter. You're basically inventing a bullshit riposte, so you can slam it as bullshit. It's a strawman, and a really weak one at that.

    The actual riposte is "WHY WOULD HE CHANGE HIS BEHAVIOR? HAS HIS BEHAVIOR TO THIS POINT BROUGHT NEGATIVE, OR POSITIVE CONSEQUENCES?"

    Nonetheless, it's undeniably paradoxical that a wily politician repeatedly says thing that offend 2/3 of the country
    No, it's only paradoxical if you live inside your liberal echo chamber. Outside of that, the things he says are not actually offensive, and even if they are to some, it's not 2/3 of the country. You're listening too much to the SJW's out there who just hate Trump no matter what he says or does. So every bombastic or hyperbolic or comedic remark is twisted into some worst-case rhetoric that people like you confirmation bias themselves into believing.
  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    No. Intelligence is Intelligence.
    Got this far before my head exploded. A new record for uninformed arguments.

    First of all, even the most basic things like verbal and spatial intelligence are separable. For another, intellectual and emotional intelligence are separable. So, e.g., one can be speak several languages fluently but suck at maths. One can be excellent at getting on with people but unable to read a map. One can be, like you banana, fluent with language but dysfluent in showing people basic courtesy and respect.

    So please go back and reconsider the rest of your post which I can only assume is largely based on this retarded premise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Got this far before my head exploded. A new record for uninformed arguments.

    First of all, even the most basic things like verbal and spatial intelligence are separable. For another, intellectual and emotional intelligence are separable. So, e.g., one can be speak several languages fluently but suck at maths. One can be excellent at getting on with people but unable to read a map. One can be, like you banana, fluent with language but dysfluent in showing people basic courtesy and respect.

    So please go back and reconsider the rest of your post which I can only assume is largely based on this retarded premise.
    No, intelligence is the ability to acquire knowledge and skills. Everything else you listed is knowledge and skills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    No, intelligence is the ability to acquire knowledge and skills. Everything else you listed is knowledge and skills.
    No, that's not how it works. If intelligence were as simple and basic as that, any 'intelligent' person would be able to acquire any set of knowledge and skills. We know that doesn't happen.

    Perhaps the way to make you understand the concept is to view things as 'aptitudes' rather than 'intelligence'. A person may have an aptitude to be a great musician but not a great mechanic, whereas another person may have an aptitude to be a great doctor but not a great musician, and a third person may an aptitude to ....etc. etc.etc. Each of these people is intelligent by your definition of being able to acquire knowledge and skills, but the domain in which they are best suited to do so differs from person to person.

    Trump is intelligent at acquiring business skills. He is not (imho) intelligent in the skills required to be a non-moron in the social realm, such as knowing what to say and when to keep your mouth shut, or thinking before you act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    He is not (imho) intelligent in the skills required to be a non-moron in the social realm, such as knowing what to say and when to keep your mouth shut, or thinking before you act.
    Completely impossible given where he is right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Completely impossible given where he is right now.
    Arguably, he won despite himself not because of himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Got this far before my head exploded. A new record for uninformed arguments.

    First of all, even the most basic things like verbal and spatial intelligence are separable. For another, intellectual and emotional intelligence are separable. So, e.g., one can be speak several languages fluently but suck at maths. One can be excellent at getting on with people but unable to read a map. One can be, like you banana, fluent with language but dysfluent in showing people basic courtesy and respect.

    So please go back and reconsider the rest of your post which I can only assume is largely based on this retarded premise.
    Most of this is completely incorrect. There is only one thing measured that is intelligence. The rest is attributed to personality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    Most of this is completely incorrect. There is only one thing measured that is intelligence. The rest is attributed to personality.
    Your understanding of psychology is right about where your understanding of socialism is, the 1800s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    I guess you have to be all the kinds of smart to think this is funny
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