**** Elections thread *****

[Jack Sawyer]

You guys think I wear a tin foil hat?



Next fucking level.

There is no alt-left. It's a condescending term used by establishment democrats to smear bernie people. It's right up there with bernie bros (alleging sexism). Joy-Ann Reid is the person you have to thank for this

I repeat: there is no such thing as alt-left. There is no lefty Pepe, or a left kekistan, or any other such parallel but left nonsense. It is now simply used as a pejorative term


I know you guys hate snopes, but here

http://www.snopes.com/2017/08/17/is-...-a-real-thing/

https://www.wired.com/story/what-is-alt-left/

Jesus H Christ, all it takes is for Trump to say something and people run with it. By now you all must know that he spouts serious amounts of horse shit. Mostly shit he saw on Fox

This is unbelievable

[wufwugy]

There is no alt-left. It's a condescending term used by establishment democrats to smear bernie people. It's right up there with bernie bros (alleging sexism). Joy-Ann Reid is the person you have to thank for this

I repeat: there is no such thing as alt-left. There is no lefty Pepe, or a left kekistan, or any other such parallel but left nonsense. It is now simply used as a pejorative term


I know you guys hate snopes, but here

http://www.snopes.com/2017/08/17/is-...-a-real-thing/

https://www.wired.com/story/what-is-alt-left/

Jesus H Christ, all it takes is for Trump to say something and people run with it. By now you all must know that he spouts serious amounts of horse shit. Mostly shit he saw on Fox

This is unbelievable

I agree with you. I'll add that I think this is Trump attempting to brand. "Alt-left" might actually become a thing now. It won't be much different than "alt-right" too. Do you know what the alt-right was back when the left decided to label what they didn't understand? It was nothing but a tiny handful of people who believe in white culture enough that they vocalized it. The vast majority of Trump supporters didn't even know what it was. The only legitimacy "alt-right" ever got was from the fabulous whore Milo Yiannapolous once saying he was alt-right. Outside of that, Trump supporters being thought of as alt-right was a creation of the leftist media.

What goes around comes around. Though, I totally agree that the leftist violence and bigotry is not alt.

[Jack Sawyer]

The vast majority of Trump supporters didn't even know what it was. The only legitimacy "alt-right" ever got was from the fabulous whore Milo Yiannapolous once saying he was alt-right. Outside of that, Trump supporters being thought of as alt-right was a creation of the leftist media.

the_donald disagrees with that, or they took the ball and ran with it. It's basically split between4chan and reddit was my impression

Though, I totally agree that the leftist violence and bigotry is not alt.

I didn't say anything about violence nor bigotry. Are you saying that the left is violent and bigoted?

[wufwugy]

the_donald disagrees with that, or they took the ball and ran with it. It's basically split between4chan and reddit was my impression

Some portion on the_donald have grabbed it and run with it, but it's still not much of a thing. The media had some small success with the label. Back when the label was first introduced, I remember checking it out and its subreddit was tiny. I think it doesn't even exist anymore. I've seen far more "alt-right" from the media-Democrats than from Trump supporters.

I didn't say anything about violence nor bigotry. Are you saying that the left is violent and bigoted?

Violence and bigotry is at the core philosophy of the left.

[Jack Sawyer]

Violence and bigotry is at the core philosophy of the left.

Explain this opinion wuf, please. Why do you think/say this?

[wufwugy]

Explain this opinion wuf, please. Why do you think/say this?

Thank you for asking. Inquisitive minds are the best minds.

It has the same philosophy as Marxism (which it derives from). Marxism is the philosophy that individuals are to be judged by group identity and violence must be used to ensure control and distribution such that no identity is better or worse off than another.

Many people who today think of themselves as left are not (or just marginally so) and instead are confused liberals (even some confused conservatives). Marxists have successfully co-opted the liberal label. Marxist abolition of private property has transformed into heavy taxation redistribution and heavy bureaucrat regulation of private property. Marxist class warfare has turned into a smorgasbord of identity warfare, mostly race and sex warfare. The tactics are different but the strategy and principles are the same.

Much of the confusion began when Marxists in Germany were fighting Marxists in Russia, and many in the West thought that must mean they were of different ideology. They were not. They were both socialists and both followed the same Marxist doctrine. The German version (fascism) was just national oriented and the Russian version (communism) was international oriented. Both were deeply Marxist. Marxism and "the left" became naturally intertwined since Marxism is atheist and big government while the Christian God was theist and small government and inhabited the "right".

If you would like to dissect Black Lives Matter, it is the perfect recent example of the merger of Marxism and leftism in America.

[Jack Sawyer]

Thank you for asking. Inquisitive minds are the best minds.

It has the same philosophy as Marxism (which it derives from). Marxism is the philosophy that individuals are to be judged by group identity and violence must be used to ensure control and distribution such that no identity is better or worse off than another.

Many people who today think of themselves as left are not (or just marginally so) and instead are confused liberals (even some confused conservatives). Marxists have successfully co-opted the liberal label. Marxist abolition of private property has transformed into heavy taxation redistribution and heavy bureaucrat regulation of private property. Marxist class warfare has turned into a smorgasbord of identity warfare, mostly race and sex warfare. The tactics are different but the strategy and principles are the same.

Much of the confusion began when Marxists in Germany were fighting Marxists in Russia, and many in the West thought that must mean they were of different ideology. They were not. They were both socialists and both followed the same Marxist doctrine. The German version (fascism) was just national oriented and the Russian version (communism) was international oriented. Both were deeply Marxist. Marxism and "the left" became naturally intertwined since Marxism is atheist and big government while the Christian God was theist and small government and inhabited the "right".

If you would like to dissect Black Lives Matter, it is the perfect recent example of the merger of Marxism and leftism in America.

I'll be doing some research on this. I truly want to see where you are coming from with this opinion

[Jack Sawyer]

Thank you for asking. Inquisitive minds are the best minds.


It has the same philosophy as Marxism (which it derives from). Marxism is the philosophy that individuals are to be judged by group identity and violence must be used to ensure control and distribution such that no identity is better or worse off than another.


Many people who today think of themselves as left are not (or just marginally so) and instead are confused liberals (even some confused conservatives). Marxists have successfully co-opted the liberal label. Marxist abolition of private property has transformed into heavy taxation redistribution and heavy bureaucrat regulation of private property. Marxist class warfare has turned into a smorgasbord of identity warfare, mostly race and sex warfare. The tactics are different but the strategy and principles are the same.


Much of the confusion began when Marxists in Germany were fighting Marxists in Russia, and many in the West thought that must mean they were of different ideology. They were not. They were both socialists and both followed the same Marxist doctrine. The German version (fascism) was just national oriented and the Russian version (communism) was international oriented. Both were deeply Marxist. Marxism and "the left" became naturally intertwined since Marxism is atheist and big government while the Christian God was theist and small government and inhabited the "right".


If you would like to dissect Black Lives Matter, it is the perfect recent example of the merger of Marxism and leftism in America.

Isn't this a black or white fallacy?


I'm black, I'm as left they come, but I'm not violent AFAIK. The fact that you call me violent

Violence and bigotry is at the core philosophy of the left.

Or that you think that I follow a violent philosophy is appalling to me really


Also, gun control is a left thing IIRC. That is one of the reasons when I saw your violence quote I thought about Orwellian doublespeak, indoctrination etc.


I was like “how can you call a group of people who don’t even like guns violent”?








Sidenote: this girl said it best

[wufwugy]

Isn't this a black or white fallacy?


I'm black, I'm as left they come, but I'm not violent AFAIK. The fact that you call me violent





Or that you think that I follow a violent philosophy is appalling to me really


Also, gun control is a left thing IIRC. That is one of the reasons when I saw your violence quote I thought about Orwellian doublespeak, indoctrination etc.


I was like “how can you call a group of people who don’t even like guns violent”?

You're not violent. The philosophy requires violence. That doesn't mean that you follow the philosophy.

The gun thing is interesting because Marxist revolution needs guns yet Marxist regimes need gun control. The current gun control stuff going on in the West is more towards the latter. Gun control advocates just don't want guns in the hands of the people anymore, but do want guns in the hands of those who make and enforce the rules.