**** Elections thread *****

[wufwugy]

The only group he purposefully never agrees with and tries his best to single out is the actual liberal left and they've got themselves into such a mess that bar that actual group pretty much everyone agrees they are annoying, at least.

I would like to say that I think it may be best to separate the left and liberals. Leftism doesn't represent liberal values at all. The left has been hijacking the term liberal for a very long time and it has stuck, but today the left is becoming so aggressive that liberals are beginning to wake up. Like liberal Dave Rubin says, defending his liberal values has become a conservative position. Example of the distinction: liberalism says that race doesn't matter. But according to the left, race (and sex, religion, other group identities) are what matter the most. Leftism is totalitarianism and social justice bigotry. Liberalism is not.

[CoccoBill]

The left has been hijacking the term liberal for a very long time and it has stuck, but today the left is becoming so aggressive that liberals are beginning to wake up.

The terms left and right date back to the French revolution, when in the senate the liberals sat on the left of the isle and conservatives on the right.

[wufwugy]

The terms left and right date back to the French revolution, when in the senate the liberals sat on the left of the isle and conservatives on the right.

Yeah but the French, yo.

French intellectualism being such a disaster, this is a case in point to me. Many of their liberals are in-name-only. Their political-intellectual movements adore them some violent totalitarianism. Maybe it's because all the Huguenots left.

[OngBonga]

I would like to say that I think it may be best to separate the left and liberals. Leftism doesn't represent liberal values at all. The left has been hijacking the term liberal for a very long time and it has stuck, but today the left is becoming so aggressive that liberals are beginning to wake up. Like liberal Dave Rubin says, defending his liberal values has become a conservative position. Example of the distinction: liberalism says that race doesn't matter. But according to the left, race (and sex, religion, other group identities) are what matter the most. Leftism is totalitarianism and social justice bigotry. Liberalism is not.

I've been making this point with those who call the left "libtards". While I find that term amusing, I also find it misleading... these people are far from liberal, at least in the classic sense of the word. Liberals are those who believe in free markets, free speech, free press, fair trials, human rights, equality. These morons are the polar fucking opposite of liberal.