**** Elections thread *****

[CoccoBill]

Women and children on the lifeboat first. That such a large proportion of these "refugees" being able-bodied men (one source I saw a while back was that it is a very sizable majority) tells us that something is not right.

Imagine you're living in Aleppo with your family. You need to flee with the wife and the kids, cos bombs. You've had a decent job, so you can afford the trip (a few thousand to the traffickers). You leave Syria and enter the next country up, Lebanon. You're in refugee camps hosting tens of thousands, with very little water, food or shelter. You need to get your family to a safer place, maybe somewhere you can get some kind of a job and put your kids to school. Do you

a) get your family on a raft and try to cross from either Lebanon or Turkey to europe, sailing a couple days with a significant percentage of the travellers drowning in the mediterranean, to be followed by days or weeks going around europe carrying everything you own.
b) go by yourself, being the strongest, having the best chance to make the trip, try to get asylum somewhere and petition your family to follow.

[wufwugy]

Imagine you're living in Aleppo with your family. You need to flee with the wife and the kids, cos bombs. You've had a decent job, so you can afford the trip (a few thousand to the traffickers). You leave Syria and enter the next country up, Lebanon. You're in refugee camps hosting tens of thousands, with very little water, food or shelter. You need to get your family to a safer place, maybe somewhere you can get some kind of a job and put your kids to school. Do you

a) get your family on a raft and try to cross from either Lebanon or Turkey to europe, sailing a couple days with a significant percentage of the travellers drowning in the mediterranean, to be followed by days or weeks going around europe carrying everything you own.
b) go by yourself, being the strongest, having the best chance to make the trip, try to get asylum somewhere and petition your family to follow.

c) women and children first.

[CoccoBill]

c) women and children first.

On a perilous journey across the seas and europe, on foot, while you stay back and chill. Most people don't seem to share your views, and instead select b).

[wufwugy]

On a perilous journey across the seas and europe, on foot, while you stay back and chill. Most people don't seem to share your views, and instead select b).

Staying is worse. If it's not, then the argument that the people need to be taken is contradicted. And (b) is contradicted since the family would still follow.

There is a reason why thousands of years of evolution got us to believe women and children first.

[CoccoBill]

Staying is worse. If it's not, then the argument that the people need to be taken is contradicted. And (b) is contradicted since the family would still follow.

There is a reason why thousands of years of evolution got us to believe women and children first.

Please reread. The options were to either stay in the neighboring countries (Lebanon and Turkey, which both still hold the vast majority of all refugees ever to leave Syria) or to travel to Europe, North America or wherever. Not to stay in Syria.

[wufwugy]

Please reread. The options were to either stay in the neighboring countries (Lebanon and Turkey, which both still hold the vast majority of all refugees ever to leave Syria) or to travel to Europe, North America or wherever. Not to stay in Syria.

So, they're not refugees then. Gotcha.

[CoccoBill]

So, they're not refugees then. Gotcha.

Um, say what?