**** Elections thread *****

[wufwugy]

Please reread. The options were to either stay in the neighboring countries (Lebanon and Turkey, which both still hold the vast majority of all refugees ever to leave Syria) or to travel to Europe, North America or wherever. Not to stay in Syria.

So, they're not refugees then. Gotcha.

[CoccoBill]

So, they're not refugees then. Gotcha.

Um, say what?

[wufwugy]

Um, say what?

Stuck in Syria is what makes them refugee candidates. If, like in your scenarios, they don't stay, they're not refugee candidates.

By now we've sidetracked big time. Let's get back to talking about how loads of majorly buff youngsters are somehow refugees while women and children are somehow tough enough to fight ISIS by themselves.

[Poopadoop]

Let's get back to talking about how loads of majorly buff youngsters are somehow refugees while women and children are somehow tough enough to fight ISIS by themselves.

Here's an example of something where having data would support your argument. Just saying 'i've seen pictures' doesn't really cut it. Do you have demographics on refugees showing that fit young men are overrepresented?

And if so, can you discount other explanations such as that maybe they're just more able to travel (coco) or perhaps that they're better at getting out of danger?

If your response to these questions is 'look it up', then it's a shitargument. We don't know where you got your information, if it's credible, why you believe it, or more importantly why we should believe it.

[wufwugy]

Here's an example of something where having data would support your argument. Just saying 'i've seen pictures' doesn't really cut it. Do you have demographics on refugees showing that fit young men are overrepresented?

And if so, can you discount other explanations such as that maybe they're just more able to travel (coco) or perhaps that they're better at getting out of danger?

If your response to these questions is 'look it up', then it's a shitargument. We don't know where you got your information, if it's credible, why you believe it, or more importantly why we should believe it.

I can't give what I'm referencing specifically because it's stuff I see in passing that I don't bookmark. But really quick googles yield these

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015...-enter-sweden/

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015...rcent-support/

https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wor...urope-are-men/

Should these be persuasive to you? I don't know. Probably not. You can find a whole bunch of MSM stuff that says it's not true. You can find holes in the arguments presented.

[Poopadoop]

I can't give what I'm referencing specifically because it's stuff I see in passing that I don't bookmark. But really quick googles yield these

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015...-enter-sweden/

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015...rcent-support/

https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wor...urope-are-men/

Should these be persuasive to you? I don't know. Probably not. You can find a whole bunch of MSM stuff that says it's not true. You can find holes in the arguments presented.

I dunno, I mean these sources have no sources themselves.

Take the last one - they quote figures from the UNHCR, but then they don't link their source? Now to disprove this I'm supposed to go to the UNHCR website and try to find the data myself? I have no idea how long this would take me or whether I'd even find the information.

[CoccoBill]

Stuck in Syria is what makes them refugee candidates. If, like in your scenarios, they don't stay, they're not refugee candidates.

Definition of refugee

: one that flees; especially : a person who flees to a foreign country or power to escape danger or persecution

A Syrian person that fled to Lebanon or Turkey is very much a refugee. Who exactly are you claiming isn't a refugee? Where should who stay?

By now I've realized how wrong I am and want to change the subject. Let's get back to talking about how loads of majorly buff youngsters are somehow refugees while women and children are somehow tough enough to fight ISIS by themselves.

I just explained to you why a majority of the asylum-seekers you see in for example central Europe are able-bodied younger men. Theier parents, wives and children are in Lebanon, Turkey and Jordan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refuge...rian_Civil_War
http://time.com/4122186/syrian-refug...ump-young-men/

[wufwugy]

Definition of refugee

: one that flees; especially : a person who flees to a foreign country or power to escape danger or persecution

A Syrian person that fled to Lebanon or Turkey is very much a refugee. Who exactly are you claiming isn't a refugee? Where should who stay?



I just explained to you why a majority of the asylum-seekers you see in for example central Europe are able-bodied younger men. Theier parents, wives and children are in Lebanon, Turkey and Jordan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refuge...rian_Civil_War
http://time.com/4122186/syrian-refug...ump-young-men/

I never realized the hoax was so intense. They're bending you over backwards when they tell you that a Syrian refugee that is in Lebanon or Turkey needs asylum in Germany or Sweden.

[CoccoBill]

I never realized the hoax was so intense. They're bending you over backwards when they tell you that a Syrian refugee that is in Lebanon or Turkey needs asylum in Germany or Sweden.

If you're not going to read what I write, maybe it's best you don't respond at all. Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan are swimming in refugees, there 2.5 million syrians in Turkey alone. There are camps that host tens of thousands of people, with barely any shelter, little food and water, medical supplies, let alone housing or jobs. How many years would you want to stay there, with absolutely no income, with your wife and kids? What you're saying I can only decipher as a complete lack of empathy and understanding to their situation.

http://www.pbs.org/video/2365920685/

[wufwugy]

If you're not going to read what I write, maybe it's best you don't respond at all. Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan are swimming in refugees, there 2.5 million syrians in Turkey alone. There are camps that host tens of thousands of people, with barely any shelter, little food and water, medical supplies, let alone housing or jobs. How many years would you want to stay there, with absolutely no income, with your wife and kids? What you're saying I can only decipher as a complete lack of empathy and understanding to their situation.

http://www.pbs.org/video/2365920685/

Women and children first.