**** Elections thread *****

[wufwugy]

Non-pro-Trump post:

The right-wing is making the same mistake the left did after Obama's first win. That mistake is thinking that the Democrat Party is doomed, won't recover, etc.. The exact same was believed of the GOP in 09. Even after the 2010 congressional stomping, it was widely believed the GOP couldn't take the WH no matter what.

Now the tables are turned even further in that the GOP has greater power now than the Dems did in 09 (when we include state legislatures/executives, and possibly courts). The reason the GOP rebounding so heavily was because of Obama's failure of a presidency. This means that for the right-wing to be correct that the Dems are "doomed", it will all depend on how well Trump and the GOP does. If they do very well, we'll get 8 years of Trump and most likely at least 4 years of his successor Republican. If he does not do well, the Dems will begin to rebound quickly and are likely to win 2024. In fact the Dems are in a much better spot to win 2020 if Trump doesn't deliver than the GOP was in 2012.

[BananaStand]

The right-wing is making the same mistake the left did after Obama's first win. That mistake is thinking that the Democrat Party is doomed, won't recover, etc.. The exact same was believed of the GOP in 09.

I don't know man, I'm not sure it's the "same". I mean, right now the Dems are shitting all of the GOP for not having an Obamacare replacement ready. To that I say..."Well Dems, maybe they wanna let you guys have a say?"

Dems lost because of 8 years that seek to entitle lower class folks at the expense of the working middle class. And they maintained that by condemning any resistance as "racist", "misogynist" and whatever else was in Hillary's basket. If they plan to recover, they really have to break away from that. Unfortunately for them, alot of the names being thrown out for 2020 are old school octogenarians

Do you not agree that if the dems run Elizabeth Warren in 2020, they are pretty much toast in all three branches of gov't?

Maybe the Dems did percieve the end of the GOP in 2009, but that's because their leader Obama harbors this delusional philosophy where he believes that by winning the election...the entire country would automatically adopt his ideology. He literally believed that the mere act of his election, would heal the middle east. At least that's what I saw.

Remember when Barry shut down John McCain during some meeting about the health care law? "John...you lost!"

It was only after they were shut out, shut down, and shit on that the GOP became "the party of no". I think they believed they were making a patriotic protest against excessive government power. But when filtered through the media, their movement became colored with much more villainy than it really deserved.

Jill Stein's recount stunt was just sad.

[wufwugy]

I don't know man, I'm not sure it's the "same". I mean, right now the Dems are shitting all of the GOP for not having an Obamacare replacement ready. To that I say..."Well Dems, maybe they wanna let you guys have a say?"

For the most part I think they're gonna have to lose even harder in 2020 for eyes to begin opening. But you may be right. There are some fundamental differences between left and right thought processes. The left may be fundamentally less capable of recovery (since it's a purist SJW ideology at its core) than the right.

Dems lost because of 8 years that seek to entitle lower class folks at the expense of the working middle class. And they maintained that by condemning any resistance as "racist", "misogynist" and whatever else was in Hillary's basket. If they plan to recover, they really have to break away from that. Unfortunately for them, alot of the names being thrown out for 2020 are old school octogenarians

I agree, but I think their bench is better than the GOP's was for 2012. If Trump has a lackluster presidency and the Dems run Booker, it could get ugly for the GOP.

Do you not agree that if the dems run Elizabeth Warren in 2020, they are pretty much toast in all three branches of gov't?

I think she's a better candidate than Clinton was. She energizes the base big time. They like her even more than they like Sanders.

However, I'm not sure she has the fortitude to wage the war of presidential politics. Also she's goofy. That one sticks.

Maybe the Dems did percieve the end of the GOP in 2009, but that's because their leader Obama harbors this delusional philosophy where he believes that by winning the election...the entire country would automatically adopt his ideology. He literally believed that the mere act of his election, would heal the middle east. At least that's what I saw.

I don't know what he was thinking. A part of me believes the theory that he's pro-Islamism and anti-west and wanted Middle East chaos. The evidence for this is shaky, but man his possible Freudian slip of "my Muslim faith" and the sheer "incompetence" of overturning dictatorships and letting chips fall as they may suggest his agenda is different than the declared.

It was only after they were shut out, shut down, and shit on that the GOP became "the party of no". I think they believed they were making a patriotic protest against excessive government power. But when filtered through the media, their movement became colored with much more villainy than it really deserved.

That is a good point. Part of the GOP was on board at first. It's not like now where the PEOTUS is Literal Hitler.

[BananaStand]

I agree, but I think their bench is better than the GOP's was for 2012. If Trump has a lackluster presidency and the Dems run Booker, it could get ugly for the GOP.

I think you're making the same mistake that the Dems made in this election. Booker, Warren, or Jesus Horatio Christ could run in 2020 and will still lose unless they have a message that hits the working middle class. They don't have one. And their behavior since the election shows that they just don't get it. Popular vote whining, recounts, russia. None of that shows me that anyone on the left "got the message".

But c'mon, regardless of who runs, I can't see Trump losing another election. If he really does badly, and doesn't think he can win, he won't run again. He'll say "i've done all i can, I've done a great job. Such a great job. I almost can't believe how good of a job I've done. It was so good, I don't think I can do it again" And that will be that.

If his first four years are good enough to run again...he'll win. He's proven that he's in a league of his own when it comes to dominating the media and winning a campaign. I don't care if his platform was topless teachers and taxpayer funded casinos on the moon. I wouldn't bet against the guy.

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He'll say "i've done all i can, I've done a great job. Such a great job. I almost can't believe how good of a job I've done. It was so good, I don't think I can do it again"

Definitely wouldn't say the bold bit that's loser speak. The rest he would.

[wufwugy]

I think you're making the same mistake that the Dems made in this election. Booker, Warren, or Jesus Horatio Christ could run in 2020 and will still lose unless they have a message that hits the working middle class. They don't have one. And their behavior since the election shows that they just don't get it. Popular vote whining, recounts, russia. None of that shows me that anyone on the left "got the message".

But c'mon, regardless of who runs, I can't see Trump losing another election. If he really does badly, and doesn't think he can win, he won't run again. He'll say "i've done all i can, I've done a great job. Such a great job. I almost can't believe how good of a job I've done. It was so good, I don't think I can do it again" And that will be that.

If his first four years are good enough to run again...he'll win. He's proven that he's in a league of his own when it comes to dominating the media and winning a campaign. I don't care if his platform was topless teachers and taxpayer funded casinos on the moon. I wouldn't bet against the guy.

You could be right. I certainly don't think the Dems have anywhere close to a good shot if Trump does very well. His presidency would have to suck for them to have a shot IMO.