Make your case: transgender, transracial

[spoonitnow]

@wuf: How do you define race?

In America, we recognize ~4 races... white, black, yellow, red... forgive the color words, but it's hard to say that yellow = chinese = japanese = vietnamese /= indian or Russian, and yes, this is a stupid distinction to make, but Americans make it, so... Same for red meaning indigenous peoples of certain regions (North America mostly).

Other cultures recognize different numbers of races to the extremes of Brazil, who recognize upwards of 20 different races, based solely on skin tone. In Brazil, you aren't 1 race, but a range of races depending on your current level of suntan.


@spoon: Show me any genealogical or scientific evidence that race is a verifiable human trait, and tell me the defining characteristics of each race.

You can research that yourself.

[MadMojoMonkey]

A somewhat arbitrary designation based on a mix of certain types of morphology, heritage, and culture.

If it's all arbitrary lines in the sand, anyway, then doesn't that imply that if you even care, you're just being pretentious?

I don't understand how you expect to get any coherent discussion when you offer only the most bare and faint hint of a definition of what you want to discuss.

At any rate, the struggle for personal identity is something everyone faces and why do you even care how someone else is identifying themself?

You can research that yourself.

Yes, but my answers aren't remotely relevant to clarifying what you said.
I concede that I assumed that you were referring to a genealogical or otherwise scientific understanding of race.

On the topic of race being cultural, I largely disagree, but have no interest in discussing it.

If not cultural, then what?

If no interest, the why even bring it up?
(whatever; troll)

[wufwugy]

If it's all arbitrary lines in the sand, anyway, then doesn't that imply that if you even care, you're just being pretentious?

I don't understand how you expect to get any coherent discussion when you offer only the most bare and faint hint of a definition of what you want to discuss.

At any rate, the struggle for personal identity is something everyone faces and why do you even care how someone else is identifying themself?

Do this: the next time you think I've done something wrong, assume instead that you've misread the situation.

If you would like to continue, reread the OP. I referenced two popular items in current topics and asked a question regarding them. Any definition of race I may have is irrelevant, and I only provided mine because you asked.

[MadMojoMonkey]

If you would like to continue, reread the OP. I referenced two popular items in current topics and asked a question regarding them. Any definition of race I may have is irrelevant, and I only provided mine because you asked.

I haven't assumed you've done anything wrong. I'm trying to understand what your question is. You said 2 words which appear in popular topics, but those words have many definitions and uses, depending on who is using them and in what context.

I can't answer your question until I know what it is, which means I need to know what you mean by the specific words you're using. I gave a direct example of why it's not a cut and dry thing to assume about someone - how they perceive race, that is.

I lament that under such a loose definition of race as you provided, there is little reason to take a stand and say that someone is doing it incorrectly.

Do this: the next time you think I've done something wrong, assume instead that you've misread the situation.

Take your own advice, bro.

[wufwugy]

I lament that under such a loose definition of race as you provided, there is little reason to take a stand and say that someone is doing it incorrectly.

My definition is irrelevant. I am asking for others' opinions in the context of how they view the issues themselves.

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My definition is irrelevant. I am asking for others' opinions in the context of how they view the issues themselves.

Sometimes MMM tools threads up. Sometimes I do.

In this thread it is you; you're being a tool.

[wufwugy]

Sometimes MMM tools threads up. Sometimes I do.

In this thread it is you; you're being a tool.

You have blinders on with regards to me. It's to the point that I have the impression that ~50% of your posts are attacks on me.

[OngBonga]

Sometimes MMM tools threads up. Sometimes I do.

In this thread it is you; you're being a tool.

I'll save wuf.

So what are we talking about? Transracial? I've just done a whole three minutes of research and it seems that the word "transracial" can be used perfectly legitimately to describe "someone raised in a culture or race different from their own", to give one random googled definition.

I see no reason why someone cannot be proven to be transracial. An image of a white kid asking his black Mommy if he's adopted springs to mind.

[spoonitnow]

At any rate, the struggle for personal identity is something everyone faces and why do you even care how someone else is identifying themself?

This question got lost in the hoopla, but it affects other people because it affects government policy and emerging industries as well as changes to current industries. It probably affects society in general in a number of other ways as well, but you get the point.

The current model for oppression (ala SJW) isn't compatible with transracial individuals either unless we make transracial an oppressed class, and that's really interesting in and of itself.