Russians vs. Americans: A Werewolf Game for October 2015

[BooG690]

Where do i sit from your pov boog?

You're a confirmed villager as well, given your rilla shot.

So you're going to quietly sit there while one of your top V's is wagoning you? That V being gabe.

-.-

Why would you do this as a V? You have no suspicion of gabe's intent? You have no will to defend yourself?
That's going to make me want to vote you for my own reasons, never mind gabe's read.

I DID defend myself. Did you miss that post?

I don't think I've played a game yet where I haven't been on the chopping block. It'd be wrong of me to be suspicious of every player who suspected me of being a wolf. Gabe's suspicions seem legitimate. ProbablyNot's suspicions are a more worrying. I don't like the leverage the POG players have here in directing our thought process.

[MadMojoMonkey]

There is a good chance I either missed the post where you defended yourself, or that when I read it, I thought it was non-threatening, so didn't commit it to memory as a response to gabe.

I will go back and check when I have time this evening. When I'm at work, I can only keep up and add a brief comment if I have a break.

The students are on Fall break today, so I have more free time than usual, but not enough to re-read any posts.

I accept your answer until I can double-check. Or at least until gabe responds.

***
What do you think about my read on Ship? Is he mechanically cleared?

[wufwugy]

OngBonga 1 (TheBrokenATM)

time to get off boog and on batm

[Luco]

What does everyone think of rascal?

[wufwugy]

guaranteed at least one of kami siu are wolves. probably both. for somebody who says she didnt gaf about dying so much, kami seems to not want to die

[wufwugy]

What does everyone think of rascal?

less villy than normal but not by a lot. his w game is probably solid v-like tho. i am weary of deconstructing rascal because of how badly i pwned myself when he was outed angel and i got him lynched.

[wufwugy]

wary not weary

[gabe]

i'm on boog because my process of elimination left me him, batm, and smf. also boog has not posted much. i could switch to batm. i think it's a cakewalk either way

[SuperMonkeyFace]

I'd suggest the seer have a look at rascal maybe. I'm pretty sure he's got the ability to look like a strong villager if he's wolfing.

When I said a while back that "lists are wolfy", I meant it. I think lists are so easy for wolves to just post and easily cover their tracks out make spew reading nearly impossible. But the reason I said it then was because that list rascal posted was to a tee what I think he's capable of as a wolf

With that being said. He's still probably a villager for now

[gabe]

What does everyone think of rascal?

he did suspicious things earlier (like saying the drago talk leaked from the den which i think is very difficult) but has then done lots of stuff i agreed with

[SuperMonkeyFace]

Or maybe not idk. Probably not. It'd probably be a waste cuz if he's a villager he likely draws a nk pretty often and if he's peeked than probably shorter life span

[wufwugy]

iso batm and see that he isnt even reading the thread or assessing any new info. he wanted ong dead both before and after the relevant events that have mostly cleared ong. if bid is a wolf, which he most likely is, it makes batm look even worse.

iso boog and see that even though he doesnt post a lot, his posts have content and consistency. also keep in mind that boog is very very good at getting killed as a villager. it's weird. he has the wolfiest style of anybody.

[BankItDrew]

I've played with rascal before when he was a wolf. I was certain he was on my villager team but I was wrong.

rascal is an excellent wolf

[Luco]

POTG

MMM is the best

I've played with rascal before when he was a wolf. I was certain he was on my villager team but I was wrong.

rascal is an excellent wolf

What about this game?

[BankItDrew]

What about this game?

Can you be more specific?

And what does one quote have to do with the other?

[Luco]

Can you be more specific?

And what does one quote have to do with the other?

Must have accidentally hit the mq while scrolling, ignore the first post.

You said rascal is an excellent wolf. Do you think he is a wolf in this game?

[MadMojoMonkey]

What does everyone think of rascal?

Torn. I have him as a soft V.

Thing is, I've seen him be fully paranoid and unwilling to follow a village core. That game I played on MU, he was like this. I was squirming that he couldn't be a V, even though the odds were like a million to one in favor, given the other roles. He can be a hyper-paranoid V who doesn't trust anyone, sometimes.

I think he was on a crazy work schedule and traveling / sleeping in hotels during that period... so stress can be a part of that game.

This game, he seems more reserved. More hesitant to make waves. More in his balanced range.

He's still not a top priority for me to be paranoid of with the POE as it stands.

***
SMF still not giving me anything to put him in my V pile.

[SuperMonkeyFace]

iso batm and see that he isnt even reading the thread or assessing any new info. he wanted ong dead both before and after the relevant events that have mostly cleared ong. if bid is a wolf, which he most likely is, it makes batm look even worse.

iso boog and see that even though he doesnt post a lot, his posts have content and consistency. also keep in mind that boog is very very good at getting killed as a villager. it's weird. he has the wolfiest style of anybody.

Re: broken. Normally the bold I'd give a villa lean for because this would probably be something mentioned in wolf chat so you'd adjust or whatever.

I've seen him play video mafia once and that's basically how he rekt as a wolf. By playing dumb

The entire broken assessment here is good but I just want to note that part

I think I'd like to hear from him Lynch brokenatm

[OngBonga]

rascal is probably a villager based on the fact the wolves are probably ship and BATM. I'd have rascal in same place as boog. Both are capable wolves, both seem villagery here but I wouldn't want to put money on it.

[SuperMonkeyFace]

I think we have aa pretty good consensus going around on the POE.

Looks good, feels good. But I will say it's possible they have a decent posting wolf if we're wrong

[baudib]

CHEW THE CHEEBA

Vote count
Boog 4 (gabe, rascal, ProbablyNotAWolff, Luco)
TheBrokenATM 3- (OngBonga, BooG, SMF)
Wufwugy 2 - (Beck Novo, Wufwugy)
OngBonga 1 (TheBrokenATM)
Beck Novo 1 - (BankItDrew)


Not voting: Kami, ShipItUp, MadMojoMonkey, bigred, hifi

End of day in 6 hours 3 minutes

[HiFi]

​lynch boog

[HiFi]

So many villagers. This thing is going to be locked by d4.

[HiFi]

Batman really needs to not get lynched

[MadMojoMonkey]

Batman really needs to not get lynched

Show me why.

[SuperMonkeyFace]

Hifi firmly square in the middle of any list I could make

I'll explain another time

[SuperMonkeyFace]

Show me why.

Bump

[baudib]

Mod note: The Hoopman had ONE JOB, to count votes, and apparently he's slanked off doing that. So you're stuck with me. If you haven't noticed, I've made 2.5 mistakes per vote count, so please check and report accordingly.


Vote count
Boog 5 (gabe, rascal, ProbablyNotAWolff, Luco, Hifi)
TheBrokenATM 3- (OngBonga, BooG, SMF)
Wufwugy 2 - (Beck Novo, Wufwugy*)
OngBonga 1 (TheBrokenATM)
Beck Novo 1 - (BankItDrew)


Not voting: Kami, ShipItUp, MadMojoMonkey, bigred

*Wufwugy's self-vote is locked in and may not be changed.
End of day in 4 hours 43 minutes

[OngBonga]

Way to waste your vote wuf. That's an excellent way of avoiding VCA.

Why did you do that wuf?

[baudib]

The 1990s gave us 2 great U.S.-USSR submarine movies.

"The Hunt for Red October," based on the Tom Clancy novel.



"We will pass through the American patrols, past their sonar nets. We will lay off their largest city and listen to their rock and roll while we conduct missile drills. Then we will sail to Havanna where the sun is warm and so is the comradeship."

And 1995's "Crimson Tide."



Hunter': You ever watch Star Trek?
Vossler: St- yeah, Star...
Hunter: Star Trek! The USS Enterprise? All right, now you remember when the Klingons were gonna blow up the Enterprise and Captain Kirk calls down to Scotty he says "Scotty, I gotta have more power-"
Vossler:He needs more, more warp speed, yeah.
Hunter: Warp speed, exactly. Now I'm Captain Kirk, you're Scotty, I need more power. I'm telling you if you do not get this radio up, a billion people are gonna die; now it's all up to you, I know it's a shitty deal but you got it, can you handle it?

I'm in the minority but I prefer "Crimson Tide." Connery is great but the dynamic between Denzel and Hackman is terrific.

[MadMojoMonkey]

i'm on boog because my process of elimination left me him, batm, and smf. also boog has not posted much. i could switch to batm. i think it's a cakewalk either way

If this is the strength of your case against boog, then I still want to

lynch BATM

[Kami]

[v]batm[/v]

[Kami]

Lol me

[MadMojoMonkey]

I'm in the minority but I prefer "Crimson Tide." Connery is great but the dynamic between Denzel and Hackman is terrific.

Alec Baldwin as Jack Ryan - SMH - Who was in charge of casting?

Jack Ryan OP.

[OngBonga]

There's no vote tags here bub.

Bold that shit.

[OngBonga]

Submarine films are boring. HFRO was shit. Haven't seen Crimson Tide, and have no intention of watching it. I'd sooner make a banknote frown and smile for three hours.

[Luco]

14 players excluding the poisoned, PoE round 1

BankItDrew
Beck Novo
Bigred
BooG690
pnaw
Gabe
Hifi
lilrascal
Luco
MadMojoMonkey
OngBonga
SuperMonkeyFace
TheBrokenATM
Wufwugy

Beck:

What are your thoughts on shooting Wuf?

Right now, I suggest that we shoot rilla, then Aubrey/Wuf, then JKDS.

pnaw:

1) I think we should lay shots into Aubrey. I also think we should lay shots into JKDS but I need to reread to tell you why I feel that way. I dont remember specifically why I get a wolf vibe form him but I just remember having it yesterday. I dont think we should ever shoot MMM, Beck, bigred, SIU, kami, drew. I think MMM/Beck/bigred are most villagy. We never shoot poisoned people(SIU/Kami). I think the drew claim resolves itself(either he gets poisoned by the wolves or if the poisoner dies we call his shots or he is fibbing, he did claim backup poisoner IIRC). There could be others I feel like we should shoot or shouldnt shoot but they dont spring to mind. I'll update where I am at with this well before the first session.

gabe:

luco i agree with the "rilla is weird" read and aubrey mentioned boog in that same breath! more suspicion

hifi:

Hope I get some credit even though my SHAT failed

lilrascal:

Right now I'm feeling a Wuf/rilla/Aubrey wolf team -- I suggest that we take shats here first. More to come as I read deeper.

Of those 3, I'd put Wuf at the bottom of that list and rilla at the top.

Luco:

Luco, who should we shoot next? I have thoughts but I'm just looking to make some chit chat, I'm bored in the library and am furthering my career as a professional procrastinator.

Aubrey

Super high information lynch combined with calling rilla 'weird' (more than once I think? ) which just strikes me wrong

MMM:

Top villagers:
Beck
JKDS
Luco

Likely villagers:
BID
gabe
Kami
ong
PNAW

Neutral:
BATM
bigred
boog
rascal
SMF
wuf

Wolfy:
aubrey
rilla
Ship

Frankly, aubrey's post since my rilla vote has pushed her firmly out of neutral and into wolfy. Aubrey is smarter than most of us and insightful and not a WW noob, even though she plays infrequently. Her performance has me reading her as a "normal" person's approach to WW, and if there's something aubrey has never seemed in my eyes, it's normal. <- I mean that in the best of ways (outside of this game, obv)

@wuf: If you can do me a favor and pretend that you and aubrey aren't actually close friends and merely acquaintances? Reread her posts and tell me you actually feel her intelligence and insight are in this thread.


***
Clearly, I suggest saving Kami over Ship. I hate that her style amounts to angle shooting, but it doesn't change that her angle has been shot.

Ong:

really gently and painlessly suffocate AUBREY with a pillow

6 remaining for round 2
BankItDrew
Bigred
BooG690
SuperMonkeyFace
TheBrokenATM
Wufwugy

[wufwugy]

Way to waste your vote wuf. That's an excellent way of avoiding VCA.

Why did you do that wuf?

call it irritation. these guys have blinders on. they only see wolves in ftr players and they're looking for any teensy bit of something they can use to call me a wolf. wish granted.


besides, it's not avoiding vca (vote count analysis?). here, bold batm. it may not count but im on record.

[SuperMonkeyFace]

I think there's a pog wolf BTW.

Which is why ttt got killed

[SuperMonkeyFace]

call it irritation. these guys have blinders on. they only see wolves in ftr players and they're looking for any teensy bit of something they can use to call me a wolf. wish granted.


besides, it's not avoiding vca (vote count analysis?). here, bold batm. it may not count but im on record.

You're on record for a self vote

Gjge

[Beck Novo]

I will not be here for EOD. Where are we right now as far as votes go? Between Boog and BATM?

[wufwugy]

You're on record for a self vote

Gjge

technically. that matters very little.

[Beck Novo]

technically. that matters very little.

[Luco]

6 remaining for round 2
BankItDrew
Bigred
BooG690
SuperMonkeyFace
TheBrokenATM
Wufwugy

BID gets a pass till there's a CC. I know it sounds ridic but having played a game before where he a/was wolfy as all hell and b/subsequently outed as angel then c/nearly got mislynched when an opportunist wolf CC'd him, I'm inclined to follow due process

Wuf is possibly spew cleared as neither him nor rilla are great wolves so that early attack is unlikely w/w. Couldn't put this in round 1 though

BATM also possibly spew cleared for similar reasons although slightly less compelling than wuf imo.

Nobody else has any real aubrey / rilla interaction to help their case

I guess that means Boog / bigred / SMF are my picks for today by PoE

[SuperMonkeyFace]

technically. that matters very little.

Frankly, it's all that matters

[SuperMonkeyFace]

6 remaining for round 2
BankItDrew
Bigred
BooG690
SuperMonkeyFace
TheBrokenATM
Wufwugy

BID gets a pass till there's a CC. I know it sounds ridic but having played a game before where he a/was wolfy as all hell and b/subsequently outed as angel then c/nearly got mislynched when an opportunist wolf CC'd him, I'm inclined to follow due process

Wuf is possibly spew cleared as neither him nor rilla are great wolves so that early attack is unlikely w/w. Couldn't put this in round 1 though

BATM also possibly spew cleared for similar reasons although slightly less compelling than wuf imo.

Nobody else has any real aubrey / rilla interaction to help their case

I guess that means Boog / bigred / SMF are my picks for today by PoE

What about the tone bro?

[Luco]

I'm fucking wrong somewhere, but where

[SuperMonkeyFace]

Saddens me you have bigred above me

[wufwugy]

Frankly, it's all that matters

it's a great way to lose. votes by themselves don't matter much. why when how etc is what matters.

[SuperMonkeyFace]

How about bigred no showing after getting villa cred day 1

[MadMojoMonkey]

technically. that matters very little.

blah blah

"Your vote is your weapon."
~ every vanilla villager/townie PM

[wufwugy]

I'm fucking wrong somewhere, but where

at least one wolf is playing well. a game is never this clean.

[SuperMonkeyFace]

I feel like I made that exact post a few games ago bout someone. Got deja vu

Wuf. Your vote is locked on yourself. You have given up all accountability. That's my point. Not you can do or say changes that u gave up accountability

[Luco]

Saddens me you have bigred above me

I'm never voting you here as I peeked you v, but I have to approach this in a way that everyone will understand

I think your tone is objectively good

[MadMojoMonkey]

How about bigred no showing after getting villa cred day 1

Yeah, but bigred hasn't posted on D2, and Gator is up for sub.

Gator is GOAT wolf, but also great villager.

[wufwugy]

blah blah

"Your vote is your weapon."
~ every vanilla villager/townie PM

hey you see this piece of wood on the house? it's the whole house.

[SuperMonkeyFace]

Lol if bigred 0 posts today after all this I've heard about him

If healer does nothing. He 0 posts exactly. Wouldn't it be an amazing day to cfd bigred and poison kills.

Just saying lol. Not saying we should but ya know

[wufwugy]

I feel like I made that exact post a few games ago bout someone. Got deja vu

Wuf. Your vote is locked on yourself. You have given up all accountability. That's my point. Not you can do or say changes that u gave up accountability

but i havent. if batm dies and he's a villager and people say "now let's look at people who wanted him dead", i am NOT off the hook. i mean, only if people are playing really badly would i be off the hook.

the first rule of wagonomics is to not assess them based purely on the fact of existence of the votes.

[MadMojoMonkey]

hey you see this piece of wood on the house? it's the whole house.

You're just mashing buttons, now.

No. I don't see whatever you're looking at, nor do I care to explore the intricacies of your domicile fantasies.

Stay on topic, buddy.

[Beck Novo]

at least one wolf is playing well. a game is never this clean.

Take a shot in the dark for me.

Who is it?

[wufwugy]

You're just mashing buttons, now.

No. I don't see whatever you're looking at, nor do I care to explore the intricacies of your domicile fantasies.

Stay on topic, buddy.

this isn't your game. i get it.

[Luco]

rescind boog, lynch batm

[wufwugy]

Take a shot in the dark for me.

Who is it?

without thinking much about it i want to say hifi. wtf is up with this batm defense. does she even have a reason? his posts are terrrrrrrrrrible

putting thought into it, i dont have a guess yet. i need some people dead first.

[SuperMonkeyFace]

but i havent. if batm dies and he's a villager and people say "now let's look at people who wanted him dead", i am NOT off the hook. i mean, only if people are playing really badly would i be off the hook.

the first rule of wagonomics is to not assess them based purely on the fact of existence of the votes.

My wagonomic assessment would be a smart sold would do that early in the day to abandon ask accountability to decide the lynch

What if the wagons are tied? If you're a wolf. Smrt move. If you're a villagery, dumb move, you can't help by saying " oh but technically my vote is on him "

[baudib]

Vote count
Boog 4 (gabe, rascal, ProbablyNotAWolff, Hifi)
TheBrokenATM 4- (OngBonga, BooG, SMF, Luco)
Wufwugy 2 - (Beck Novo, Wufwugy*)
OngBonga 1 (TheBrokenATM)
Beck Novo 1 - (BankItDrew)


Not voting: Kami, ShipItUp, MadMojoMonkey, bigred

*Wufwugy's self-vote is locked in and may not be changed.
End of day in 3 hours 25 minutes

[SuperMonkeyFace]

Wolf, not sold *
All, not ask *
Villager, not villagery *

Autocorrect fails

[SuperMonkeyFace]

without thinking much about it i want to say hifi. wtf is up with this batm defense. does she even have a reason? his posts are terrrrrrrrrrible

putting thought into it, i dont have a guess yet. i need some people dead first.

Batman really needs to not get lynched

Show me why.

We are still waiting

[wufwugy]

My wagonomic assessment would be a smart sold would do that early in the day to abandon ask accountability to decide the lynch

What if the wagons are tied? If you're a wolf. Smrt move. If you're a villagery, dumb move, you can't help by saying " oh but technically my vote is on him "

sure. not everything is the same.

my point is that you don't find wolves based on where their votes are, you find them based on the reasoning and dynamics behind their arguments, even if a vote doesn't accompany their arguments.

ive learned this the hard way, by getting burned every single time i do serious in depth wagonomics analyses. it's all about the argument. by the end of it all, villagers end up with more things like consistency than wolves.

[SuperMonkeyFace]

It's obviously about the argument

Wuf, why are you a wolf in your opinion? What was your argument for voting wuf? Just curious

[MadMojoMonkey]

this isn't your game. i get it.

It isn't my game? What does that mean? I was right on Gizmo, Tom, rilla, aubrey, and JKDS. On the record. In the thread.
Seems like it is at least a little bit my game.

What is unfortunate is that you think talking in metaphors is somehow adding to the understanding. Whereas I think that talking in metaphors is retreating from the understanding.

If you can't talk specifically about the thing you're discussing, then you don't understand what you're saying. Sure, you're being poetic, and emotive, but to me, that's the opposite of persuasive.

[wufwugy]

It's obviously about the argument

Wuf, why are you a wolf in your opinion? What was your argument for voting wuf? Just curious

[MadMojoMonkey]

My vote is on BATM

lynch BATM

[wufwugy]

It isn't my game? What does that mean? I was right on Gizmo, Tom, rilla, aubrey, and JKDS. On the record. In the thread.
Seems like it is at least a little bit my game.

What is unfortunate is that you think talking in metaphors is somehow adding to the understanding. Whereas I think that talking in metaphors is retreating from the understanding.

If you can't talk specifically about the thing you're discussing, then you don't understand what you're saying. Sure, you're being poetic, and emotive, but to me, that's the opposite of persuasive.

it's not your bag, your thing, your affinity. every time i have discussed a complex dynamic about how werewolf works, you reject it and stick to simplicity.

[BankItDrew]

It's obviously about the argument

Wuf, why are you a wolf in your opinion? What was your argument for voting wuf? Just curious

POTG

[OngBonga]

rescind

I'm having doubts.

I think I'd like to lynch SMF, but it kinda relies on people to figure out what I'm getting at without me spelling it out.