Varchertine's Werewolf Game Thread

[OngBonga]

but I'm happier with mojo, boog, monstr and keybored.

daven too should be in that list. rascal would be in the next group with drew.

[Luco]

luco is just a guess really, but his vote for me makes no sense from my pov. I feel like I've got baudib locked as wolf and on the ropes, yet luco swings for me? Weird.

Now look at it from my POV - there's a good chance of a wolf between you and baudib, and you were actively trying to steer on to baudib over wuf last night. If baudib is a villager you're fucked matey

[OngBonga]

Now look at it from my POV - there's a good chance of a wolf between you and baudib, and you were actively trying to steer on to baudib over wuf last night. If baudib is a villager you're fucked matey

Well this I can't argue with. But from my pov, my baudib vote last night was good, because I remain utterly convinced that baudib is a wolf. Ths is never his villager game.

I realise I wasn't on wuf. Now, I have form for bussing wolves. Take a look at where I tear wuf's position apart when he said he wouldn't vote for hoopy, and that he wasn't using his QT. If I'm going to go to that length to pile shit onto him, the least I'm going to do is actually be on his wagon when he dies.

It makes no sense for me to bus wuf like that without even being on the wagon.

[Keybored]

Keybored was trying to give Wuf more time...to wat?
only when the tide turned did he change his vote.
his wannabe lover MMM is onto him.
Ong, you look worse with each interaction.

I was giving Wuf time to make his case. As an objective hunter will do.
Unlike you, Baudib, I don't make up my mind about the entire village on d1 and stay with it.
You have an unrestrained arrogance that clouds your every move and taints your words.
You make insults and use coercion when you can't understand why ppl are so ignorant.
Whether you're a good guy or bad guy in this game, your behavior is sad and lonely.

[OngBonga]

Actually it can make sense. Just lynch baudib, and if it's a v/v flip, well fair enough take me out and I'll just have to hope rascal is a wolf.

[Luco]

If I were a wolf this game, on D1 I would be pushing against the villagers in any v-w pair. This would be with the expectation that they'd come through as villager later and I could get indirect cred for attacking them if / when the wolf in the duo is revealed.

Currently reading through to see what people said about wuf and hoopy early

[OngBonga]

to the contrary, no one is excited enough. the potential EV swing for this day is enormous.

This hints at insider knowledge. If all the wolves are split, then the ev swing is no different to a regular game. Two dead villagers is the norm for a mislynch, because nom. Howeverm if there's a w/w team, well the ev swing does indeed becomes significantly dfferent to normal.

ok we have a couple of juicy votes here...

lynch wuf

Off to bed.

^ that looks very good indeed.

Fuck it

lynch wufwugy

Also looks good.

I don't think wolf Wuf takes the exasperated "go ahead and lynch me then" line. i'll be shocked if zero wolves were on the early Wuf wagon.

Does not look good. This is not the first time baudib suggests wolves are on wuf when he has votes.

double fuck it

lynch boog

I'll have those v points back please.

Post of the DEVIL!

Aside from that...there's no case against Boog. Don't know WTF is going on there.

There's never a case against boog, just momentum.

page 9

[Keybored]

Upon re-read of d1, particularly from Wolf Wuf's perspective, it really sux that we let that whole "reveal" discussion drag out. 95% of Wuf's entire day1 was hiding behind the reveal with some addl game mechanics thrown in. His obv wolf strat was to ride that out as long as possible. I can't help but think there's at least one more wolf enabling that strat on d1.

[a500lbgorilla]

Wow

I woke up this morning, saw the wuf reveal, fist pumped my way through the morning routine and then scrolled over everyone having a race to see whose aneurysm pops first.

Now I'm expected to have my dissertation on the game written and it's awfully wolfy that I chose to sleep and go to work instead.

[Luco]

#137, 140, 141

I wish people would stop claiming buddies on a whim. You guys are just making instant assumptions and acting on them, instead of thinking it through.

you're suggesting it's better to not know who you're lynching than to know who you're lynching

Actually I'm suggesting that people should think things through before making claims that are unreversable. Maybe it is better for us to all claim our partners, I'm just struglling to see where it was discussed in detail. People are acting prematurely.

In response to wuf outing hoopy. Page 2, part of a decent back and forth between them. V lean for ong here


#138

Keep lynching wuf for posting ill-conceived crap like this.

Mojo was like this all day long. Looking cleaner than a virgin's honeypot right now

#154

I'm coming around to the idea of Wuf being a wolf.

Maybe Monstr too.

V lean for baudib

#156

This is the best reason to reveal: When we vote, we know who we're voting for.

I too, have seen zero reason to not reveal and wait for a while.

wuf is very villagery imo, ong slipping.

I remeber thinking wuf was v at the time too, so meh to this.

#157

A coinflip? You mean it's 50-50 in terms of pure odds who got to 2 votes first. The village will be left debating if the wolf skillfully ensured he didn't get to 2 votes first, if the wolf even more skillfully ensured he did get to 2 first so he looks the most villagery, or if he superbly ensured the two wagons are both villagers. What actually should happen is every villager assesses his partner, while the wolf pretends to, and hopefully the wolf will fuck up, or the villagers will be too strong.

I feel like we should lynch wuf, simply because he'll be a liability at endgame if he's refusing to even consider voting for hoopy.

more v for ong.

I need to focus a bit or this could be huge. I don't want to misrep but I still have to condense this down

[a500lbgorilla]

It's like before the first cup of coffee day 3 and some people are really working this thread hard.

Strolling over ong's posts about me I'm reminded that usually people make cases not to convince themselves but to convince others. If you'll look at the times I try to sway other peoples mind's in this thread, it's usually an appeal to being sensible with the info at hand, while ong has consistently overpushed everything. It creates a maddening atmosphere where we need cooler heads.

Gents, I'll figure out what I figure out when I figure it out. But right now, Ong is raising enormous red flags.

Luco's a villager.

[a500lbgorilla]

I mean seriously, I'm reminded of how when you lose a big pot, your instinct is to open up your game and press. And I saw some crazy press in the fall out from the reveal.

[Keybored]

EW
Boog 80%
Wuf 75%
Keybored 53%
Ong 40%
Luco 35%
Hoopy 30%
Rascal 25%
BigRed 25%
Daven 22%
Monstr 15%
Rilla 2%
BID 0%

EW
Boog 95%
Ong 55%
Keybored 55%
Daven 35%
BigRed 25%
Rascal 10%
Luco 10%
Monstrman 10%
Bid 5%
MMM 5%
Rilla 0%

i wasn't planning on talking to Rilla until I was fairly convinced he was a villager.
Trust no one.

So by "trust no one" you really mean nobody except BID & RILLA?
AMIRITE?

BTW, Wolf Wuf was against talking to his partner too.
How's that working out between you and rilla?

[a500lbgorilla]

How's that working out between you and rilla?

I want to reply here but I'm worried about violating the rules.

[a500lbgorilla]

I mean come on, the buadib-rilla train just barely managed to edge out a wolf-villager train. I'd expect that to cool the jets on the baudib lynch and lead to people re-evaling target orders. But instead, everyone was just back where they were before wuf died.

[Keybored]

Chilla-Rilla...your first priority is to sniff your own partner's ass and check for canine scent. Have you done that? What's your take on Baudib? You rip Ong's opening parry but you ignore Baudib's. I respect your case for Ong (or anyone) but you owe the village your tell on Baudib first.

[a500lbgorilla]

Mondays, man.

[Luco]

Page 3 and ong, daven, boog and mojo are all snapping at wuf. Ong even bolds wuf on this page. Rascal has a minor disagreement with wuf but it's nowhere near the intensity of the other 4

[a500lbgorilla]

Chilla-Rilla...your first priority is to sniff your own partner's ass and check for canine scent. Have you done that? What's your take on Baudib? You rip Ong's opening parry but you ignore Baudib's. I respect your case for Ong (or anyone) but you owe the village your tell on Baudib first.

I said yesterday I did not expect him to flip villager. With Ongs posts today, my instinct has me really wondering what he's up to. The reason I gave for my baud read yesterday was in that long post. No change thus far today. But with how I read ong as a villager and now I'm really questioning that, I dunno what to make of what. I'm going to try to get some time and space to get a good view of the game but that won't happen til I atleast read the thread again.

I mean, I'm running on grunches right now.

[a500lbgorilla]

I said yesterday I did not expect him to flip villager. With Ongs posts today, my instinct has me really wondering what he's up to. The reason I gave for my baud read yesterday was in that long post. No change thus far today. But with how I read ong as a villager and now I'm really questioning that, I dunno what to make of what. I'm going to try to get some time and space to get a good view of the game but that won't happen til I atleast read the thread again.

I mean, I'm running on grunches right now.

*Did expect him to flip villager.

[OngBonga]

Hurry up and tear the thread apart rilla.

[OngBonga]

It would be hugely amusing if I'm wrong about baudib but actually rilla is a wolf. That would actually be better than just outright soulreading baudib.

[a500lbgorilla]

Hurry up and tear the thread apart rilla.

Time and space.

[baudib]

you gotta give Ong credit for thinking he can still win.

[OngBonga]

Time and space.

Ok. But you shouldn't be surprised that you're getting snapped at for daring to make assumptions based on the wuf flip when you have clearly read nothing, and you were earlier saying you need a wolf corpse before you can get a feel for things.

baudib also immediately made assumptions based on the wuf flip. He voted for boog before even looking at any old posts. Why does baudib not fistpump the flip and then start digging before making his move? Why is that not a huge red flag to you, but my intensity is? Even though intensity is a solid village tell for me? Even though baudib is a better villager than he's presenting himself this game?

You are certainly concerning me rilla. But it's ok because whether you're a villager or wolf, you gotta go simply because you're unfortunate enough to be buddied to a wolf.

[OngBonga]

you gotta give Ong credit for thinking he can still win.

If I'm a wolf I'm in a great spot spot, and you would be worried about that if you're a villager. This is just empty rhetoric.

[OngBonga]

I'm not gonna holler and scream against the Boog lynch, it's better than lynching Wuf IMO.

But now you want the v cred for lynching wuf while you call me a wolf for leaving him in favour of you? Bahahaha.

so am I not participating or am I a top poster, what exactly is the complaint? your whole WW existence has been lackluster.

Yet another needless slap down from baudib, this one aimed at mojo. Why the need to insult mojo? Why call his ww existence lacklustre when it isn't? Mojo is chart boy. When did baudib ever give us colourful charts? baudib is insulting people because he's a wolf who is tired of wolfing and hasn't got the motivation to attempt to take villagers on properly.

I'm guessing that Boog is a villager but we may get bailed out if Monstr flips wolf, which I think he will a decent amount of time. I don't think Monstr's posting has been wolfy, but his low activity and no-show near EOD is somewhat wolfy for him.

So long as one of them is mislynchable, all good, right?

I don't think Rilla is good enough a wolf to be this active and engaged. Or rather, he doesn't like wolfing enough to put forth this much effort this early.

This is lazy and convenient. It's also wrong. I firgured rilla was villager for his early effort, but I'm certainly not going to suggest he's incapable of wolfing good, if he put the effort in. This is rilla we're talking about.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Mojo's reaction

I love the gif.

I had a big weekend. I was exhausted. I had a dinner date-thing on Sat night, then my brother came over most of the afternoon/evening. I loved both events, but they wore me out.

Observe exhibit A)

Ignore the stuff on the far left. I didn't feel like taking another 20 minutes to get it out of there. It's there so the vertical lines match up with page breaks.

When have I ever posted an unclean graph?

[MadMojoMonkey]

@Luco: My emotions are in the post where I imply:
"Yaay, rilla's gonna stop making excuses and be my village daddy again, just like in the firstest game I ever played of the WW game, World War Werewolf."
(Oops, I self-lynched there, too. It was an accident. I didn't know a self-vote was anything other than a vote.)

@key: Keep this up and we'll see what happens tomorrow.

***
I see burgeoning consensus to clear this pair. I still want to hear a bit more from key, but he's moving in the right direction.


I have not done a full read-through in light of the flip, and I have work soonish, so I'm going to have to put it off to this evening.


(I say tomorrow, because I don't think ong-baud and their pairs need to be resolved today.)

***
Maybe erroneously, but I have it in my head that daven, keith, luco, hoopy are a strong village core, who can read and clear each other. With only Luco and daven left, I want to hear their thoughts on each other.

(Unless I'm over-glorifying the D1 baud lynch in the Night Angel game. I confess the "timing read" thing confused me then and still.)

[OngBonga]

Ok now shit gets interesting...

Time for a read-through, how much time do we have left?

~ 1 hour

Based on the chart, I think the current wagons are Boog with 6 votes and Gabe with 4.

If I'm reading that right.

I think that VC was accurate.

I don't think the two wagons are v/v and v/v, otherwise you'd think the wolves would prefer to have gabe/dan in the lead.

Here's where I start to rally for gabe votes.

cmon someone grow a pair of bollocks and switch. The reason boog/monstr are leading the votes ahead of gabe/rong is because there's a wolf between gabe/rong.

i am unconvinced that any of the leading wagons are wolves because they seemed to just spring out of nowhere. but mmm is on boog and he's my most likely wolf. it could be that he's trying to protect gabe.

i dont like some other players on the boog wagon, but i'm keeping who and why to myself for now

gabe has a wolfy villager style, but i dont think he ever wakes up all of a sudden when he's villager and getting lots of heat, which he has done this game

lynch gabe

Ok so wuf makes his move with 40 minutes to go. I'm not sure who wuf was voitng for before, so I can't be certain if this vote makes it 5-5 or 6-5.

Notice how wuf says he thinks both wagons are v/v, yet still moves for the fistpump mislynch. Wuf could be saving boog here after I gave him outs, but it's more likely that he's taking the better mislynch, because if wuf is prepared to make a move to protect boog, why does he leave it so late? Why was he waiting until the last hour? Would he still have made this vote if I hadn't rallied for gabe votes?

simultaneous post. I'm going with it.
Rescind Wuf (but fuck it we're lynching him tomorrow)
Lynch Gabe (which is obviously equivalent to a lynch vote for Rong = when one of gabe/rong flips wolf we go after mmm tomorrow cos he seems to be claiming that he wants rong lynched and would vote rong if he was a viable wagon but.... dunno what the but is really...)

daven hops on... bad vote but this is really the only black mark against daven.

rascal - gabe
rilla - boog
hoopy - boog
luco - wuf
rong - boog
gabe - baud
boog - gabe
key - wuf
baud - gabe
ong - gabe
bid - boog
monstr - baud
daven - wuf
mmm- boog
wuf - gabe

gabe - 5
boog - 5 (leads)
wuf - 2
baud - 3

This is interesting. This is an incorrect VC. I won't go into too much deatil about why it's interesting, but it can be said that me and rascal lose mutual trust for each other at this stage.

baudib, boog, wuf are my 3 targets

As gabe is going down, he says this. Note how baudib was more than happy to point out that gabe wanted boog gone, while saying nothing about wuf or himself.

I think daven's vote was unaccounted for in wuf's count... gabe is leading right now.

cmon mojo, tupac lyrics = villager points?

This is where I correct the VC.

I'm pretty sure the votes are tied 6/6 with the tie going to boog


This is killing me.

lynch gabe

I hope it's the right move.

mojo makes his move with two minutes to spare, assuming wuf's VC was correct. This would be expert acting if mojo is a wolf, because wuf would surely have told mojo the VC was incorrect. It's also a particularly ballsy vote for a wolf to make, no less mojo, who has been arguing relentlessly with wuf.

mojo is clean as fuck, despite this late gabe vote.

If this is a v/v flip, I have three very strong suspects, one of them being my partner. This could get lively.

Here's where I say the stupiest thing a wolf could say.

Ok that's the lynch. gabe/rong flip v/v and the soulsearching begins.

d2 later.

[MadMojoMonkey]

I have no milk for coffee.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Mojo always knows the VC.

Name a post #.... I'll tell you the VC at that point.

[Luco]

@Luco: My emotions are in the post where I imply:
"Yaay, rilla's gonna stop making excuses and be my village daddy again, just like in the firstest game I ever played of the WW game, World War Werewolf."
(Oops, I self-lynched there, too. It was an accident. I didn't know a self-vote was anything other than a vote.)

@key: Keep this up and we'll see what happens tomorrow.

***
I see burgeoning consensus to clear this pair. I still want to hear a bit more from key, but he's moving in the right direction.


I have not done a full read-through in light of the flip, and I have work soonish, so I'm going to have to put it off to this evening.


(I say tomorrow, because I don't think ong-baud and their pairs need to be resolved today.)

***
Maybe erroneously, but I have it in my head that daven, keith, luco, hoopy are a strong village core, who can read and clear each other. With only Luco and daven left, I want to hear their thoughts on each other.

(Unless I'm over-glorifying the D1 baud lynch in the Night Angel game. I confess the "timing read" thing confused me then and still.)

I wasn't really trying to imply anything with the gif, just wanted to bust it out at the first opportunity

I can read daven for sure, but he's been lacking the last few games. I don't agree with baudib's assessment that daven is some sort of super villager here and I don't get the rationale behind it either. based on D1 I would have said daven was a likely wolf, D2 was a bit better but sparse. In light of the wuf flip daven's D1 certainly looks better.

D3 could be the moneymaker. I'm reading through in segments as and when I get time and will have more thoughts on everyone very soon.

[MadMojoMonkey]

I have no milk for coffee.

The solution I came up with is truly gross - powdered milk and non-dairy creamer mix with a bit of honey to mask the gross.

I'm still drinking it.

[MadMojoMonkey]

I wasn't really trying to imply anything with the gif, just wanted to bust it out at the first opportunity

worth it.

[Luco]

#233, in response to daven

thank you for making my point for me. do you not see how if you believe this, you must also believe it is better for the village to know exactly who we're lynching?

you cant have your cake and eat it too. you cant on the one hand say it's info for the wolves but on the other say it's not info for the village. regardless i dont see how it's much info for the wolves but i do see how it's loads of info for the village. the wolves already know who they're linked to. they won't be caught by surprise. the village is what gains by knowing exactly who's dying when a lynch is reached, not the wolves

lol at the fucking idea y'all have where it's better to have half of our lynches be of unknowns. am i the only sane person here? well and bid. everybody else seems to have lost their brains on the floor

one of these games im going to say only utterly stupid things. then we will win as easy as can be since everybody always disagrees with my points no matter how correct they are. yeah i get a lot of stuff wrong. yeah i rallied hard to lynch the angel the last game. yeah i rallied hard to lynch a reg villager last game. yeah i defended ongwolf last game. but this is a whole different level. i am stating basic facts about how this game functions statistically. this should be the least controversial thing of all time.




my early game reads are always simplistic. early game is when the most reliable reads are things that are overt. this is exactly what got ong lynched d1 last game. it's what got baud lynched d1 when he was a wolf. all d1 lynches have little information behind them and are for the simplistic purposes, like post count or some weird stylistic thing

V point for daven. I'm always looking for a word or phrasing that makes interactions unlikely w-w and the 'do you not see how if you believe this' in the first paragraph is a decent example.

[MadMojoMonkey]

(I say tomorrow, because I DO think ong-baud and their pairs need to be resolved today.)

bold to indicate correctificationz

[Luco]

#244

I think one of wuf / daven is a wolf and I'm not convinced it's wuf

oopsie

[OngBonga]

The solution I came up with is truly gross - powdered milk and non-dairy creamer mix with a bit of honey to mask the gross.

I'm still drinking it.

Just drink it black and stop being a girl.

[OngBonga]

Mojo always knows the VC.

Name a post #.... I'll tell you the VC at that point.

Ok so when you said you felt it was 6-6 with boog leading, was that accurate?

[Luco]

#279 and #280

boog bolds me then 15 minutes later he rescinds and bolds wuf with the comment "Hoopy here plays both sides of the argument and makes sure not to ruffle any feathers. That's basically all he's contributed. Lynching Wuf and Hoopy is the play here."

V point for boog, he'd made a case for me and coulda stayed with it

[OngBonga]

Hey luco, have a v point for joining me in the pro-boog room.

[Luco]

#290

Funny how you left out the part where I find Hoopy to be playing both sides.

Odd foreshadowing here. w point for boog

[Luco]

Hey luco, have a v point for joining me in the pro-boog room.

withold your points till the end of the tour

[OngBonga]

withold your points till the end of the tour

I only gave you one, which I'm taking back now you've given boog a w point for pointing the finger at hoopy playing both sides... how is that wolfy? He's putting suspicion on the partner of a wolf.

[Luco]

#300

Rong defending luco here seems villagery for him.

Thing is, I'm not really sure he's correct to, but I guess I'm not really in an accurate position to assess Wuf entirely atm.

I think he was one of the people that I called an obvious villager right off the bat last game, but I can't remember and I don't really see it this game.

Monstrs thoughts on wuf is that he needs some lube for that fence

Kinda calling him wolfy sorta maybe

[Luco]

I only gave you one, which I'm taking back now you've given boog a w point for pointing the finger at hoopy playing both sides... how is that wolfy? He's putting suspicion on the partner of a wolf.

Ok it's like this.

Wolves would know who is partnered with other wolves. Boog comments that I removed a reference to hoopy being wolfy. This would look bad for me down the line when wuf is shown to be wolf.

I think of the V and w I assigned him there the V is bigger if that's any help, the W is a little thin

[Luco]

Speaking of V points, ong I gave ur mom a D point last night

[OngBonga]

Speaking of V points, ong I gave ur mom a D point last night

You're kinder to her than I am. It's her birthday today and all she's got off me is a facebook message so far.

She is 40-odd miles away though.

[Luco]

#353, wuf's mega post about revealing.

He responds to
Rong
Rong
Monstr
Rilla
Gabe
Keybored
Rilla

Would he respond only to villagers here?

Baud's response to the mega post is this

Wuf, who do you want to lynch?

Having read Wuf's latest post, I'm in favor of revealing partners, especially since mine is already out there.

And he goes on to bold gabe. Not saying much about wuf at all.

[Luco]

#367 not a great post for rascal

Wuf's post in #363 finally puts forth some thoughts as to why to reveal rather than just because he thinks it's right.

I find Wuf to be wolfy in general, but based on last game, that may just be Wuf being normal Wuf.

Also, I think Wuf's sticking to his position without making a good case for it in spite of the arguments people have posted to him makes him too wolfy to be a wolf imo.

[Luco]

#377

I disagree with you on Gabe. I had him as wolfy last game, but you were convinced he was villa and wouldn't even listen to an uncountered and correct angel claim.

Gabe seems slightly villa to me, not lock villa though.

This and the next coupla posts look better for rascal

[Luco]

I don't see playfulness as being role indicative for Gabe.

If there's anyone whose mood is ... interesting... it might be Wuf. Is he excited that he finally got wolf?

you're joking right? when does the day end? tomorrow. who's on the chopping block? me. every villager is responsible for his defense. the biggest power we have is the knowledge that we are villagers.

i have been laying down a very solid case for why hidden links is terrible for us. yet im getting lynched because of it. nobody has a shred of a case against me. they just see that i have an opinion, therefore i must be a wolf. this happens in half the d1's we play.

we have gotten almost nowhere. everybody is shy to lynch, and ive tried to point out why that is. the village is tongue-tied yet when i try to point out why that is i get bolds. then i assume there was just confusion so i try to make the case stronger, but then i get more bolds. talk about fucking lynchbait

the craziest thing is that my opinion is the same as several other players, yet im getting lynched precisely because of that opinion

I think this looks good for baudib.

[BooG690]

Motherfuck

rescind bigred, lynch wuf

It's a vote for hoopy. I would rather lynch boog / monstr though.

I don't like this at all. Wuf has just sat down and stacking his chips. Lurking Luco goes all-in on him w/o even waiting for a count. First wolfy tell I've gotten from my pardner.

Fuck all you fucking fucks. Read my shit. I called Wuf/Hoopy. That spew from Wuf today was weak-assed shit. I was just waiting, as a respectful villager should, for some sorta redemption. It didn't happen, so c-ya. I still don't like Baud but not yet ready to off that strong team, in case it's wrong. Big Red next. How dafuq we possibly let that team live any longer?

I hadn't noticed Keybored at all until this (^) post. IRL yesterday, I perceived it (along with him and baud flirting) as creating an environment for him and baud to fight. I quickly dismissed that notion as him and baud have been festering for some time now. On re-read, it's Keybored using offense as a defense...before anybody hard pointed a finger.

That, by no means, takes away any suspicion I have of baudib. Every time I go back to read the thread, it becomes more and more obvious that he's a wolf. He's played to emotion a dozen times and put down players for their votes (it their votes didn't align with his). Solid efforts put forth by players are met by baud ridicule.

On top of that, my name is being yelled by baudib at the top of his lungs. One argument claimed by baudib is that gabe wanted me lynched. Let's all remember gabe's reasoning there. Baudib goes on to say somewhere that dead villagers' reads have 1% of live player reads:

I'm not misrepresenting anything. I am in fact incorporating a portion of Gabe's read on Boog because I have no experience with Boog. But rereading dead villagers has about 1/100th the value of weighing in on more recent developments. It'd be more interesting if Gabe were nightkilled but that can't even happen this game.

The rest of baud's argument against me is that I didn't get lynched on night one. Without mentioning the fact that baud was part of the reason I didn't get lynched (see what I did there?), the reason I didn't get lynched is simple. Actually, the last sentence of the baud quote above is the reason: the wolves have no nightkill. The wolves saw a gabe lynch on d1 and took it instead of lynching me. If they had lynched me, the wolves would have had to deal with gabe for the rest of the game. Baud argues that the wolves would've been equally happy with a gabe or me lynch. Everybody and their mother knows that isn't the case.

Anyway, I wanted to clear that up. It was unfair of me to not say anything while I sat in frustration watching baud live-stream his shit. Going through d2 is a grind due to baud's spazzing. I'm down for a baud or Keybored lynch. I won't bold until ~IRL tomorrow.

[baudib]

we lynch boog today. then keybored. then ong. then pop bottles.

gg

[baudib]

I don't know what to do since I can't even get nonmed in this game so I'm going straight to post-game

Thanks JKDS for modding

Hoopy, great clutch play voting for your partner. turned the whole game around.

Gabe, mea culpa. Your Day 1 was brilliant. I think you woulda convinced me if you had made a more detailed case on Boog and didn't call me a wolf.

[Luco]

I mean come on, the buadib-rilla train just barely managed to edge out a wolf-villager train. I'd expect that to cool the jets on the baudib lynch and lead to people re-evaling target orders. But instead, everyone was just back where they were before wuf died.

Were there any other wagons or attempts to start wagons yesterday?

Baud rilla
Wuf hoopy
Daven bigred

[OngBonga]

we lynch boog today. then keybored. then ong. then pop bottles.

gg

Three people who all played a role in wuf's downfall. Proof that your stragety is already laid out, and that wuf's wolf flip has done nothing to cause you to reassess. You have not been looking at interactions today, you've just been continuing to throw shit at whoever you want to see lynched without backing up your arguments with anything credible.

You're such a sloppy wolf baudib. High content and low quality.

[baudib]

Ong, I have a link that will help you with the rest of your posting this game:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=lolcats

It will make you feel great, I swear.

[OngBonga]

That's it baudib, you keep trying to silence those who are trying to figure it out. It's really pro-village of you, I can see why you're such an obvious villager now.

[Luco]

Post #400 @ wuf

You too are using the "well, you're on the other side of the debate, you're probably a wolf" tactic. Your logic is half-assed and crudely strung together, almost as if you're looking to create an argument against someone. I hate everything about this post, mostly because it's nonsense. I'm highly confident you're a wolf. Rilla is next on that list.

'highly confident' = big v lean for boog surely

[Luco]

Wuf looks like the most villagery person in this game. So for that reason, I'm voting for:

lynch boog

FWIW, I feel like MMM and wuf are showing resentment today. I'm strongly considering wolves to be on his wagon. Boog is actually at the top of that list based solely on instincts.

v lean for drew. I mean, he's smart enough to defend a wolf like this but it's unlikely

[baudib]

That's it baudib, you keep trying to silence those who are trying to figure it out. It's really pro-village of you, I can see why you're such an obvious villager now.

you know that was funny. share it in the den, some of the cat pics are really funny.

[OngBonga]

baudib, why don't you pretend to be a villager and do what luco and I have been doing?

[baudib]

i already did that, and this game is over. i'll let you guys play.

if you still wanna try to get me lynched, i'll work on a "bushy tail, pointy teeth" post later.

[OngBonga]

i already did that, and this game is over. i'll let you guys play.

if you still wanna try to get me lynched, i'll work on a "bushy tail, pointy teeth" post later.

Oh yeah, my apologies for forgetting that you already knew wuf was a wolf when you did your read through.

[baudib]

lol

[OngBonga]

I still don't think there's a wolf in boog/monstr. I'm not a wolf, and it was me who rallied to get a gabe lynch. Were the wolves sitting back waiting for someone else to do their dirty work? Seems risky if there's a wolf on the block. boog/monstr feels like v/v to me.

lynch daven

Well that blows. I could go Daven or Boog but I'll wait to decide. Monstr could be wolfing here too

These be the first two posts of d2. Now, daven is pretty much cleared. His tone is massively villager (not worth much alone), he was ALL OVER wuf on d1 and d2 (getting somewhere), and we can see both me and baudib swing for daven, not wuf, when d2 starts. I propse there's a VERY HIGH CHANCE of a wolf between me and baudib based solely on these two posts alone. My daven vote stinks, but hey at least I voted for him rather than vaguely pointing at him while refusing to actually commit to that read.

[OngBonga]

I'm losing the handle on this game because I want to revisit all of Wuf's early posts again.

But I think we need Boog or Daven dead first before resolving Wuf.

I'm worried we are clearing Ong too light but he feels 90% villager. His phrasing has tweaked my eyebrows a couple times tho.

This is wolfing.

Oh wait, I got something good...

I'm still not finding a reason to call Luco a villager...it's actually becoming a problem.

villagers
BID
Rill
MMM
Ong
Monstr
Wuf
Keybored
------
neutral
lilrascal
Luco
BigRed
-----
wolfy
Hoopy
Daven
Boog

Check out how wuf is in his villager list.

Meh I like lynching Daven less upon reread.

Check out how he backs away from a daven wolf read, knowing it's thin as fuck.

If there's a wolf in my villager list it's Wuf or Monstr.

Check out how he now mentions wuf as possible wolf.

Let's not forget that baudib has reason to believe wuf is wolfy... so why is wuf in his villager list? Why did baudib correct himself after to then say wuf isn't so villagery and daven isn't so wolfy?

baudib is spew posting and is then having to retrace his steps in an effort to clear up his stupid comments. Of course, villagers don't tend to care about their stupid comments until they are highlighted. Wolves are much more alert to their stupid comments.

[OngBonga]

i wasn't planning on talking to Rilla until I was fairly convinced he was a villager.

I am leaning that way for sure now but word to other villagers: Be very careful. I was in a large mash where there was a W-V masonry and it was devastating to the village. The villager was totally bamboozled and sold the rest of the village on his partner being a villager.

Trust no one.

Holy fuck I missed this. This is EXACTLY WHAT WUF DID... finding excuses for minimal QT activity.

That first line troubles me. Why wouldn't you want to utilise the private chat to figure out rilla's alignment, instead of trying to do it all in-thread?

I can think of several reasons why figuring out your partner's alignment should have been your first priority

Luco found it though. That's the only reason I saw it later... because luco commented on it much later.

Well, you technically can't. No matter what I'll always want to survive until it's a must lynch situation. Even if I think he's a wolf, I'm always going to want to press other avenues. I'm never really going to want to figure him out until the last moment.

This is also very much similar to wuf's thinking. Two minutes later...

lynch wufwugy

Odd.

Anyway, p12.

[OngBonga]

I'm worried we are clearing Ong too light but he feels 90% villager. His phrasing has tweaked my eyebrows a couple times tho.

rilla why did baudib feel the need to make that comment about me? Why worry about me and not my partner? Put yourself in baudib's shoes for a second. Things happen for a reason. Baudib wanted to say something about me, so he did. Why? I'm a cleared villager now, it's my partner who he should be interested in. If he's a villager, that is.

So... after I suggest my partner is wolfy, baudib's focus is on ME. But why? This never got explanded on.

baudib doesn't see me as cleared, he sees me as 90% villager but maintains a tone of suspicion. But I'm pointing the finger at my partner! Ok, I've since backed away from that read and as such don't deserve any v cred for it, but at the time, baudib should be a LOT more concerned about my partner than he is me.

you know, you continuing to push the idea that you're somehow a stone-cold lock cleared villager is very reminiscent of you insisting on villa cred for bussing me and Rilla in the ghost angel game. there's a lot of wanting in your "baud is a wolf with ..." posts, you were already wrong on me and Gabe.

Check out who isn't thinking things through when he waves is finger at me. What use is villager cred if I succeed in getting my partner lynched? This is why it would be much safer to keep my partner on side, if I were a wolf. Much like what wuf tried to do with hoopy. Much like what baudib is doing with rilla.

PS baud, ong is never a wolf.

True story.

Holy shit I found the boog case...

Boog voted for Gabe, I don't see why we have all this debating about it, there's nothing that precludes Boog from being a wolf who made a wolfy, "Hey just trying to catch up here fellas, Gabe is obvious wolf," and then tried to distance himself from it the next day.

Solid. Defintely worth more than my many reasons why he's a villager.

Wait - I voted for gabe too. And, guess what? So did baudib. It's pretty desperate stuff here from baudib, trying to use a single vote against boog when baudib is equally guilty of such a mistake.

p13

[baudib]

TL;DR

here are the cliffs

I'm a wolf and I don't know what to do.

I'm a wolf and I don't know what to do.

I'm a wolf and I don't know what to do.

I'm a wolf and I don't know what to do.

I'm a wolf and I don't know what to do.

[a500lbgorilla]

Odd.

Anyway, p12.

Hahaha

[OngBonga]

I think you made a mistake with your quoting there baud, you quoted me saying what you said.

I know exactly what to do. Continue reading through, laughing at how obvious it is you're a wolf.

You're the one struggling to know what to do here. You're resorting to pathetic slaps like that above, and the relentless "you're playing badly" type stuff. You can do better baudib, you just gotta have some faith in yourself.

[OngBonga]

I wonder what bigred makes of all this?