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Why the hell are Wuf and Rilla so adamant to have others reveal? What's the urgency? What changes? The fact that this discussion is STILL continuing to be suspicious and, the more Wuf argues for it, the more I become suspicious of revealing. Why can't you guys agree to have it be revealed when the information actually becomes relevant (when a player is on the chopping block)?
 Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
I'm not suspicious of people who straight up don't want to reveal. I think the principle at work is one of psychological inaction. It's a hard choice; to sit on your mitts and just saying no seems natural. If something goes wrong, it's fate that fucked you. If you choose to move, however, and something goes wrong - you fucked you. People that genuinely thought it over like wuf, monstr and now gabe are null.
I like my villager reads. Ongbonga, BID, Luco. Some guys on the fence right now.
I'm suspicious of anyone who thought it was clearly wrong. Boog and now Keybored. Especially with Keybored's biting posts, that seems like a posture that I sometimes do as a wolf because posting doesn't flow from a place of comfort so maybe psyche yourself up?
So Gabe genuinely thought it over?
 Originally Posted by gabe
there could easily be reasons not to post your partner. but i could see where daven and wuf would have opposite opinions and neither be wolves
 Originally Posted by gabe
the only stance i showed on the partner reveal is that i understand why daven and wuf had seperate opinions. i havent made up my mind completely.
ive been trying to think of smart ways for the village to use the reveal. like what if we all agreed it was a net positive but we shouldnt do it quite yet
imagine if no one revealed until we already discussed and decided who we would likely lynch. then we reveal everyone's partner. this way the discussion is more pure and people arent influenced so much by a collateral death of their favorite villager, and more likely to want to peg a wolf
i think on day 1 we dont need to reveal. it just cant help us that much on day 1. but i can see where in the near future we have to have this information public, so we can make good decisions with it
But I didn't?
 Originally Posted by BooG690
So what would you have lost from revealing at a point where people suspected wolfiness where you didn't bold hoopy. You created a scenario that didn't exist and that would have been easily solvable: you could have just revealed AT THAT POINT. Hoopy would have corroborated. Nothing would have been lost.
And here you are again creating a sense of urgency THAT DOESN'T EXIST. Let's just reveal as we lynch. There is NOTHING LOST FROM DOING SO.
How can you say I didn't think about it? I thought about it and I still think there's nothing to be gained from revealing right now. Yet, you misrepresent me and say I didn't put any thought to it. I have. I voiced what I thought. It should end there. This discussion has gone on too long.
Players reveal on the chopping block or when revealing will actually influence the game. That should really be the end of the damn discussion right there. It'll be the last I speak on it and I'll consider it a crutch that wolves are leaning on to fill space.
Rilla, are your only wolf suspicions based on this reveal/no-reveal debate? You failed to mention your thoughts on MMM who is clearly on one side of this thing. What about non-debate thoughts?
 Originally Posted by wufwugy
For somebody who says he disagrees with me so much and thinks I'm overly confident, it's a little weird that you would firmly hold a position that a baddy with little evidence and no change regardless of what happens. This is opportunistic out the ass.
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This has no meaning. You're saying you want to lynch wolves. How fantastic! Meanwhile you keep saying I'm wasting my time talking about the reveals, yet you're still talking about reveals.
Half of me doesn't believe MMM believes what he says. His rationale for bolding me is non-existent and his hunting is misdirection. His opinion does not seem to truly change with new information.
The other half of me thinks he would do this as a villager. He did apologize to me, and I think that's big of him, so I don't think it would be about that. I have yet to see him actually agree with me about anything, so I have little way of telling if this is MMM playing a wolfy ass game or just being MMM and hating every word that comes out of my mouth
Not to mention that I think MMM's aggressive disagreement with me on the reveals could be because he knows how powerful it is for wolves to have that get out of jail free card. All this time I've been baffled that he has disagreed with me so much, but now I see it could just be that he's a wolf trying to defend a pro-wolf position.
I don't particularly think BID is a wolf. I hate lynching him here, but the problem is every option is a shitty option. So far at least. I have a feeling every lynch is going to suck ass. As long as we don't know the links, we'll be stuck having to lynch people we don't want to.
rescind monstr lynch mmm
You too are using the "well, you're on the other side of the debate, you're probably a wolf" tactic. Your logic is half-assed and crudely strung together, almost as if you're looking to create an argument against someone. I hate everything about this post, mostly because it's nonsense. I'm highly confident you're a wolf. Rilla is next on that list.
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