Vikings, Gods and Giants Game thread

[wufwugy]

i see several reasons for liking a boog lynch

lynch boog

[wufwugy]

Wuf conveniently finished the day with this. His vote was locked on Hoopy. Ong was on the ropes. As a wolf, it's in his best interest to stop posting early in hopes that it relieves him of any decision to make in regards to Ong.

just wanna point this out because i think boog is cognizant of having to do that himself. kinda funny

[wufwugy]

might as well post some other stuff about boog i guess. i feel like a lot of his den-thoughts are seeping into the thread. example:

I explained what I thought of Ong above somewhere. He's a non-factor and I don't think much into Ong's shooting of Keith.

Keith is never ever ever ever a special there and Ong knew that. Moreover, you're smart enough to know that Ong knew that.

what an interesting change in opinion those two posts were



i had to double take this one at first since it doesnt seem like anything boog would say unless he was wolfing and either the wovles told him that ong has tremendously improved seen boog last played. or obv since ong is a wolf, it makes it even more like boog would think/say this if he is also a wolf

i put it on the back burner becuase i remembered like 2/3 years ago ong and boog were wolves together and they won well. i feel like boog might not much remember that though

I think Ong is villager. I think Ong is, um, well, he's, good at this game (that really hurt to say).

[JKDS]

Ok, im caught up.

One thing, Daven is clearly BID's look up. The seer said one player was a villager in the entire thread, and only one player. He did it explicitly, in clear terms. Daven is obv villa.

Boog gut feels wolfy, but theres a lot going against that and I think he is actually almost confirmed villa. I dont even know how that makes sense. While he is being very aggressive/defensive atm, he also hard defended Ong late in the day, and switched off of monstrman at the same time as Luco. Boog didnt have to do that as wolf, and likely wouldnt. There were only 2 minutes left till deadline when he did so, and could easily have feigned missing reveal. Defending ong as he did previously is pretty bizarre as well, given how much heat ong was getting. Reading through the thread, Ong seems like he was shitting his pants the entire time, especially in his arguments with Drew. It doesnt make sense. Im not lynching him here, and in spite of his aggressively defensive style (which I think is normal? I dont remember) I dont see a reason to lynch him.

Luco gets to be near confirmed villa too, for the same 'switch from monstr with 2min to go' reasons. The only way either of Luco/Boog are wolves is if they dont understand who got to 5 votes first and dont understand how ties are resolved.

MMM seems villagery. His posts feel genuine, especially post 186 where he nails 3 villagers and ong as a wolf. His feelings regarding keith dont seem out of place when compared to other feelings expressed itt either, which makes sense for a villager genuinely feeling things.

Wuf seems super wolfy. I'm not playing the WIFOM game about how he'd seem more villagery as a wolf. Whatever. This isnt normal wuf style and his post explaining the impossibility of a Ong -wuf team is missing the character wuf normally brings. Way back when keith self lynched, wuf lynches keith, ong lynches wuf in response, and then rescinds pretty quickly. That whole exchange seems disingenuine, as Ong didnt even wait to see if his wuf lynch would catch on.

lynch Wuf

Dhubs is w/e. He made one post supporting ong, one post attacking him.

Rong is w/e. Seems like he defended ong more than anything, but the whole thing where Ong says "Id have shot you, but itd be spazz" is weird for a w-w pair. Rong said he'd shoot ong if he had a gun way early in the game, and ong doesnt get back to that till he's exhausted his power and was in danger of lynch. Feels like he was scared of rong or something. Idk.

Gabe looks good, but I cant differentiate him from his wolf game anymore. He adamantly supports an ong lynch at various points to his credit, but it also seems like he did so when it was safe to do so. He didnt discuss Ong in the early game when BID was going at him though, and didnt strongly push ong until Ong killed keith and ong was pretty suspicious. I think this is ultimately villagery.

Hoopy seems wolfy too. Hes not talking about ong in the early game, takes him awhile to discuss the keith shot, and doesnt make any other impactful posts.

We should lynch from Wuf, Hoopy, and Dhubs. Anyone in the above can probably be the serial killer, but its a waste to discuss it. We win by killing the frost giants, so screw loki.

[JKDS]

None of what wuf just posted is consistent in any way with how he normally defends against votes, except for voting his attacker.

[wufwugy]

Boog gut feels wolfy, but theres a lot going against that and I think he is actually almost confirmed villa. I dont even know how that makes sense. While he is being very aggressive/defensive atm, he also hard defended Ong late in the day, and switched off of monstrman at the same time as Luco. Boog didnt have to do that as wolf, and likely wouldnt. There were only 2 minutes left till deadline when he did so, and could easily have feigned missing reveal. Defending ong as he did previously is pretty bizarre as well, given how much heat ong was getting. Reading through the thread, Ong seems like he was shitting his pants the entire time, especially in his arguments with Drew. It doesnt make sense. Im not lynching him here, and in spite of his aggressively defensive style (which I think is normal? I dont remember) I dont see a reason to lynch him.

ong is one of the few people who tells his fellow wolves to not be afraid of throwing him under the bus if he's already going down. he has said as much in one of my mods. boog is one of the few players who would switch to ong at the end like that. gator has done something similar. it should be noted that boog is a very tricky wolf, but in a subtle way. i gave him goatwolf status a long time ago (in the game he won with ong) because put his vote in the one spot that would make everybody think he was definitely not a wolf.

granted, this doesnt mean boog is a wolf because it is ALSO what any villager would do there

Wuf seems super wolfy. I'm not playing the WIFOM game about how he'd seem more villagery as a wolf. Whatever. This isnt normal wuf style and his post explaining the impossibility of a Ong -wuf team is missing the character wuf normally brings.

can you imagine how much i would be sweating if i was a wolf? keeping people off my back would be pretty easy and my fellow wolves would be telling me how badly im playing

this is hardly a winning wolf strategy.

[BooG690]

Wuf, your arguments are so bad.

My vote was on Keybored. Why would I EVER leave it there? Why would I have my vote NOT count for something? I thought Ong was a villager. I even flirted with the idea of lynching monstr due to his being hard to read later in the game. Me flipping to monstr was the move I make every time.


As for the "I don't like being told what to do," fuck Ong telling me what to do. If THAT'S the argument for voting me, meh.

funny how this contradicts your claim that my sitting on hoopy and going afk was wolfy

How does what I said contradict my claim that your "AFK" game is wolfy? Are you saying I was AFK? Your last post was at 11:06 PM EST on 01/14/2015. MY last post (before my string of pre-deadline posts) was at 1:12 PM EST on 01/15/2015. The deadline was at 3:00 PM EST on 01/15/2015. How the HELL can you even say I'm contradicting myself by pointing out your "Guys, I can't help out prior to deadline b/c I'm so bad at maths" BS?

Wuf conveniently finished the day with this. His vote was locked on Hoopy. Ong was on the ropes. As a wolf, it's in his best interest to stop posting early in hopes that it relieves him of any decision to make in regards to Ong.

just wanna point this out because i think boog is cognizant of having to do that himself. kinda funny

See above. I don't undestand where you're getting the idea that I was remotely AFK.


Wuf, what are you trying to conjure up here? How are you comparing my presence in this game to yours? It seems you're grasping at straws here and buddying up with gabe in hopes of getting me lynched.

[wufwugy]

How does what I said contradict my claim that your "AFK" game is wolfy? Are you saying I was AFK? Your last post was at 11:06 PM EST on 01/14/2015. MY last post (before my string of pre-deadline posts) was at 1:12 PM EST on 01/15/2015. The deadline was at 3:00 PM EST on 01/15/2015. How the HELL can you even say I'm contradicting myself by pointing out your "Guys, I can't help out prior to deadline b/c I'm so bad at maths" BS?

his is what you said

My vote was on Keybored. Why would I EVER leave it there? Why would I have my vote NOT count for something?

this means that your argument for me being wolf by sitting on hoopy is the opposite argument for why you're claiming you not sitting on keybored makes you villagery

you said im a wolf because i made my vote not count for something. then you said you're not a wolf because you made your vote count for something. this means that if i was a wolf i would also be looking to make my vote count for something just like you did (using your phrasing)

if you were a wolf you could have absolved yourself from making a decision just like you claim i did. you said you wouldnt do, which logically means you cant use it against me

granted there is a possiblity that this is a pov tell that you're villager. i'll have to look at that

[gabe]

its hard to argue with any of what jkds posted (especially the part about me being the ultimate villager). his boog stance is just based on some vague multilevel reads, which he might think was effective at saving his wolf buddy. also jkds has tricked me before with the inactive style that drops a huge word bomb to convince the village.

i retract daven from my previous list. BID made it pretty clear. drew just cant post that without it being true

[gabe]

i agree that MMM seems villagery but luco is only one cleared. luco could be loki

[wufwugy]

why is luco cleared

[gabe]

luco straight up killed ong instead of monstrman

[Luco]

i agree that MMM seems villagery but luco is only one cleared. luco could be loki

A loki luco would be loco

Sorry I'm durnk

[wufwugy]

timing of luco's post exact same as boog

it's also possible that a wolf would choose to do that. if it wasnt ong i would say otherwise, but ong loves telling the den how much trouble he's in and to not protect him

[Luco]

luco straight up killed ong instead of monstrman

ong was like 4th or 5th on my list, it's just monstr was way lower

I didn't switch from monstr either, I think I was ondaven?

[Luco]

keep it simple, key boog daven rong were all on monstr

key ded, daven prolly n0 lookup, boog has 11th hr switcheroo so

lynch rong

ez game

[Luco]

thank you i'm here all week

[BooG690]

Drunk Luco actually making some sense.

[Luco]

Drunk Luco actually making some sense.

[MadMojoMonkey]

especially post 186 where he nails 3 villagers and ong as a wolf.

Is that the "not a very strong team" post? Sick read, huh?

***

its hard to argue with any of what jkds posted (especially the part about me being the ultimate villager).

Wait. What?

I think this is ultimately villagery.

[MadMojoMonkey]

timing of luco's post exact same as boog

it's also possible that a wolf would choose to do that. if it wasnt ong i would say otherwise, but ong loves telling the den how much trouble he's in and to not protect him

Timing thing is true.
It was after the hard claim.
"Not protecting him" and "showing up out of nowhere to drop the hammer" are different things.

Luco was not active in the thread at that time and could have claimed AFK.

Boog had recently switched from keybored to monstrman, which was immediately followed by monstrman's hard claim of Thor.
Boog could be a wolf who felt cornered into the vote on ong at that point. Maybe not.
It's a tough call.

***
Other most recent poster aside from keybored was rong, who posted ~20 minutes prior to the hard claim, and didn't move his vote afterward.

***
One thing is certain. Ong was not in the thread at that point. The hard claim of Thor gave Ong a 2nd dayvig shot, which Ong had 9 minutes to use and didn't.
So the argument that Ong was in wolfchat telling people what to do at that time is no good.

[wufwugy]

ong would have told the other wolves to put him under long before that time of day. granted i dont think he would have done it that heavily earlier. the times he has done it has been when it's d3 and he had to fight a ton

[BooG690]

Other most recent poster aside from keybored was rong, who posted ~20 minutes prior to the hard claim, and didn't move his vote afterward.

This is more damning evidence against rong. Combined with Luco's drunk logic, I'll get off my wufwugy kick (though I'm still watching you) and Lynch rong.

[wufwugy]

let's do it

lynch rong

[gabe]

i see where rong looks wolfy but its not enough to lynch him. besides i dont want to hop on the same wagon as wuf/boog

if rong is wolf then these two are probably not

[JKDS]

I dont see Rong as a wolf. Being on monstr doesnt say anything for me, as we already found a wolf on that wagon. I dont think a last minute vote on monstr is something a wolf would do either, given wolfwuggy's fact that ong encourages other wolves to vote him in dire situations. Rong has this decently long back and forth with Ong earlier in the thread over the triple voting stuff, and that does not seem like a staged discussion. He defended ong a few times, but ong is a tricky bastard and loads of people defended him (daven, boog, and myself off the top of my head).

Woflwuggy doesnt do these things though. He isnt voting ong in places that would be weird for wolves to do it, he isnt defending ong or voting monstr at risky moments, hes just kinda there. He and ong have what seems like a staged back and forth as well when discussing keith's affiliation, even a part where ong votes him and then immediately backs off. Hes also very quick to jump on rong, in spite of boog (his previous vote) being all for it.

I see no good option besides Ong. I know "Ong gonna ong" but hom shooting keith was particularly stupid. It just doesn't make sense for a thinking villager

I'm flying today so I won't be here around deadline. But I don't see why I would change my vote

Scratch my "probably villager" read. Gabe is almost certainly village. Abandoning the thread with a vote on ong and ong in the lead is just too much fps for gabe to be wolfin.

[JKDS]

does vilkeith really self-lynch? wouldnt he just skip the offending posts? he doesn't self-lynch whenever he's playing and another player makes a lot of posts, so why would he do it after baud did it three times?

keith has gotten wolf twice recently and tends to play uniquely each time and also likes pulling moves. i think he's burnt out and is pulling a move

lynch keith

...

As for keith, I'm not buying that keith would deliberately angle shoot like that. I can't pretend it didn't happen. Furthermore, this attempt to get him lynched before we even get a sub for him is fishy as hell.

lynch wuf

call me an optimist since i think keith is more likely to angle-shoot than be a myopic narcissistic cunt

Good answer.

rescind

Ong's rescind was almost instant (within 2min). He is not interested in seeing how others respond to his attack on wuf, because he doesnt actually want an attack on wuf to go anywhere. If wuf is a villager, then the wolves went against their best interest and attempted to discredit someone who was discrediting a potentially confirmed villager. This doesnt make sense on its face. As bullshit, it makes plenty of sense.

[JKDS]

Contrast that with this back and forth with Rong

Surely the vote count won't reflect the tripple vote until day end, no?

Also we could do with some clarification on how that works. I would have assumed its a 1 shot deal when activated.

Well we're only going to get clarification from mod or triple voter, and we should leave the mod to do his thing as he feels best. We should *assume* he's the triple voter and leave him be, at least for today. I've never seen a triple voter but I've seen double voters and their vote simply counts as double, there's no activation, there's no waiting for final VC. That's how I assume the triple voter works. I could be wrong though, but I don't want clarification yet because the wolves are the ones who want that clarified, not villagers.

Thanks for joining the dodgy list dan. I look forward to slinging shit at you through d2.

In fact let's sling shit now. Why do you want it clarified dan?

This is after baudib's VC too. Dan trying to link the dayvig and the triple voter as potential wolf buddies here.

I could get on board with dan if daven is awol.

Well, for example, if I have someone I'm confident is a villager who has say 2 votes, I'm sitting on someone who also has 2 votes and someone I'm meh on is leading with 4, its feasible that the person I'm confident is a villager could get lynched when changing my vote could stop that.

I'm comfortable enough with that situation because at day end of my lynch choice isn't going to go I can switch to vote leader to help ensure the person I don't want to get lynched doesn't get lynched.

But if a tripple vote counts during the day in terms of reaching a majority and therefore day end then I need to reconsider my voting strategy.

I don't think I even understand what you're saying in this post.

Wait, yes I do. But I thought that was your name on the other site and you and a bunch of others play there together. I don't see how that's linking you in terms of both being wolves.

I'm saying that you're suggesting that monstr is getting me confused with "momo" because he's been talking to me in the den where I'm domo. That's what it feels like you're getting at, and seeing as we're both looking like specials, that comes across as really fucking fishy.

And I'm not reconsidering my voting strategy. If the triple voter closes the deal on someone unexpectedly, that's a bummer. But, I'm going to reply on him being responsible... which in turn makes him obvious. Now, pop quiz... who is the only person that hasn't vote at all?

It became obvious to me after baudib's latest VC that monstr is the triple voter. That said, daven's vote, drew's derping, and your idea that monstr is confusing momo with domo, there's at least one wolf here imo.

But the someone not voting implying they are the tropple vote only makes sense if 1. They auto triple vote and don't have to request its use and 2. It counts towards mid day majority for ending the day.

None of which has been confirmed in the thread.

And I'm not implying you would know this from asking in the wolf thread (before you go there as you similarly did with my name confusion post) because I imagine if the wolves had been told that then we would habe been as well.

Well either way, I don't want monstr to clarify, and I don't want monstr lynched.

Ong goes at great length to attack rong (doing it in a few different posts), and ong is very slow to back down. These scenarios are different. Rong seems like he was posting stream of conscience though, and seemed like he was genuinely arguing with ong (even including lots of statements relating to being understood properly and not knowing how ong would respond to them). Ong was also hesitant to vote Rong here, whereas he voted wuf quickly. This reads how a wolf attacking a villager would read.

[rong]

Lynch wuf

I'm at a wedding, been driving for 5 hrs and now at a hotel, formally kicks off at 4.30 so should be able to join in before then and then back home about 32 hrs from now.

[Luco]

Fuck i'm still hungover

Dhuber said he wants to redeem himself this game. Where is he?

[rong]

The Mrs has left her dress her home, cue small emotional breakdown, now off to buy a new one (fuck my bank balance) so I' now attempting to get 3yr old and 5yr old girls dressed and hair done. This means two things. 1, they won't look good. and 2. My day in ww is done, probably.

[MadMojoMonkey]

i see where rong looks wolfy but its not enough to lynch him.

Reassessing.

besides i dont want to hop on the same wagon as wuf/boog

if rong is wolf then these two are probably not

I would agree but I have a reservation that is strong enough to note: It's not EOD, and a maj vote doesn't end the day.
Votes cast early in the day hold slightly less weight when there is no hammer.

(Lol, Thor dies, there is no hammer vote... intentional, baud?)

***
Early morning catch-up has me thinking JKDS is reading pretty tone-pure for Village. Also, I feel like those 2 recent longer posts have a lot of meat in them and are mostly directed at me (at least my vote), so I need to re-read them and look at context.

***
Weekend VC incoming (baudib asked me to help out with VC's, and it seems like a fine time to do one.)

[MadMojoMonkey]

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<<< V O T E ~ C O U N T >>>
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player (# votes) - who's voting for them {post count}

rong (4) - boog {6}, Luco {9}, MMM {7}*, wuf {11}
wuf (2) - JKDS {6}, rong {10}
boog (1) - gabe {7}

Not Voting - daven {0}, dhubs {0}, hoopy {4}

Tie breaker order:
1 vote: rong, boog, wuf
2 votes: boog, rong, wuf
3 votes: rong
4 votes: rong


It is Day 2.


*I had 7 posts prior to this VC. This is my 8th post of the day.

(I reserve the right to edit a VC post, since it contains no commentary or opinion. I would only edit this post to correct the facts.)

*sigh*
EDIT: Added 1 to my post count. I didn't count my post immediately prior to the VC, and my post count was off by 1.

[Hoopy]

timing of luco's post exact same as boog

it's also possible that a wolf would choose to do that. if it wasnt ong i would say otherwise, but ong loves telling the den how much trouble he's in and to not protect him

Thinking about it though if Luco is a wolf surely the far better play with 2mins left is to just let monstr die. It saves a wolf (ong) and gets rid of a special and the next day people are going to go after boog for his late switch.

boog and luco both being wolves would mean they decided to join ong on the non stop train to FPSville.

[Hoopy]

lynch dhuber

Still awol, nothing from him yet.

Good to see JKDS & gabe are starting to be more active.

[Hoopy]

The Mrs has left her dress her home, cue small emotional breakdown, now off to buy a new one (fuck my bank balance) so I' now attempting to get 3yr old and 5yr old girls dressed and hair done. This means two things. 1, they won't look good. and 2. My day in ww is done, probably.

With the dress fiasco, draining of his bank balance and trying to get little kids to look presentable I fear the pressure of a bandwagon may cause rong to snap and turn into a gibbering lunatic.

Might hop on, we'll see.

[MadMojoMonkey]

In a brief distraction from the rong/wuf/boog investigation:
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This is dhubs only significant post. He has made 2 posts, but the first is more of a "hi, guys" post.

My Observations so far...

OngBonga: TWTBAW is standard Village game for him

Keith:

BID: Completely full of it... wolfy

MMM: Used words input output for first time I recall. Also hopped on me due to non-claim... wolfy

lynch BID

dhubs on Ong: wrong
dhubs on Keith (is a sad face)
dhubs on BID: wrong
dhubs on MMM: wrong

Just when I've learned to worship at the altar of dhubs beastly reads, I find my faith shattered.

dhubs leaves his vote on BID at EOD... then BID is SK'd.
:/
Smells like a setup.
I think dhubs is practically cleared from SK.
:/

[baudib]

LOKI SPEAKS

odin is ded but he is not the only seer in this game

i looked up wuf n0, and the result was villager

you're welcome

[wufwugy]

lol toldja

the last thing imma do as a wolf is look like a wolf. ww101. buy my book

[wufwugy]

Thinking about it though if Luco is a wolf surely the far better play with 2mins left is to just let monstr die. It saves a wolf (ong) and gets rid of a special and the next day people are going to go after boog for his late switch.

boog and luco both being wolves would mean they decided to join ong on the non stop train to FPSville.

this is accurate 90% of the time. i just know i got burned hard in the anon game or one of the others around it where we had wagonomics look like certainly players are never wolves yet they were wolves

but if im being straightforward about it, you're mostly right. a problem tho is that there is always something wacky in every game. always and i hate it. it makes me feel dumb. I DONT LIKE FEELING DUMB

[wufwugy]

thanks loki but i hope you didnt waste a power doing that. i think the case on me was brittle. not that people didnt believe it, but that it was the kind that could shatter under a little pressure.

my trump card was that i never voted for monstr or any counter wagon to ong. i think that alone would be good enough to get people off me for d2 at least

[wufwugy]

which necessarily means the people we should look at today are those who voted for monstr or a counterwagon to ong. not that there are definitely wolves in it, but it's the starting place. things could easily be like the anon game where this logic doesnt work at all, sadly

[MadMojoMonkey]

I'm not sure how much weight to put in something attested to by the God of Lies and Mischief.
If the mod is straight BS'ing us in the game, though, then wtf kind of game is this?

Also, doesn't the SK (Loki) read as VV?

Is this a read given by the SK, so we know it's not the SK?
I mean: The mod would have us believe that the read comes from Loki (the SK), and I assume Loki didn't read himself.
-.-
so the read is of a VV, and - the one who could read VV when they're not - is not the one who was read. *pant* *gasp*

or Loki is full of shit, can't read, and wuf is Loki, who just told us he read himself as V, which is BS.

***
Screw this. I choose to act in a way that the mod is not BS'ing the thread, and accept that wuf is VV.

Incorporating.

[wufwugy]

lol ya i just looked back and realized loki is the sk

on the face it looks like he's siding with the village, but maybe not. there are other options

[wufwugy]

btw loki if youse tryna pull a fast one and imitate me, two things: (1) i wouldnt imitate me, i'd try to look like somebody not me. (2) id say youse instead of you're.

youse welcome

this game is great

[MadMojoMonkey]

Rong #163 still feels weird, as I mentioned in #265.

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The thing about boog is that he keeps saying things that are true, but not insightful. When people say things that don't change my perspective, I wonder if they're not playing a high level game, or if they're wolfing and hiding behind obvious statements.

This has been the fulcrum of my hesitation to toss V-cred at boog.

boog #270 seems like he's putting real pressure on wuf:

Why is Wuf's support of killing Keith going unmentioned? I mean, if everybody's logic is that a real villager never kills a villager, wouldn't Wuf also be a suspect? This is conveniently ignored while the focus is put on Ong who, again, seemed to do something reckless and illogical due to emotion. However, Ong's and Wuf's logic were pretty equivalent at the point: maybe Keith is a wolf. If he's not, he's definitely not a special. Let's kill him.

(changed italics to underscore, since quote makes whole thing italic. Emphasis is boog's.)

... except the 2nd level angle-shoot says that the mod is swapping in a replacement because the loss of a VV is sad, but the loss of a PR early on D1 completely fucks up the balance of roles. It's a risk the mod takes with dayvigs. However, Keith's quit was something the mod can deal with by replacement.

I think there is a high chance that ong saw baudib's choice to replace as evidence of non-vanilla status of Keith's role.
(I'd like to note that I'm talking about what ong did and why, and I'm not focusing on what baud did and why.)

I think there's 0 other chance that Ong took that shot. Ongwolf did not use his dayvig on someone he truly thought was VV.
You'd have to pretend Ong is foolish, and while his defense was that he acted impulsively, I think there was more to it than that.

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Effectively cleared: daven, gabe, luco ... wuf?
I'm leaning Village right now: Hoopy, JKDS
(hoopy directly kissing my ass in #361 gives me some reservation.)

Suspect: boog, dhubs, rong

Seems too easy.

I can move my vote to boog anytime, but rong is in the lead, and I'm voting with Luco... and wuf.
I can vote dhubs, too, but he deserves a chance to post on D2 before I go there. His 2 posts on D1 are not altogether incriminating, aside from personal meta tells. I.e. no vanilla comment and his reads that we know about were not up to his beastly rep.

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I'm reading wuf's recent 4 posts as very comfortable, conf. V wuf, if it counts for anything.

[wufwugy]

late day wagonomics

"We fight....that is how we win, and that is how we die."

Votes
Ong 4
Keybored 2
Monstrman 2
Daven 1
Hoopy 1
Gabe 1
Wuf 1
BID 1


Voter -- latest vote
Dhubermex -- BID
BID -- Ong
JKDS -- Keybored
Keybored -- Monstrman
Rong -- Wuf
MMM - Ong
Boog -- Keybored
Luco -- Gabe
Gabe -- Ong
Hoopy - Ong
Wuf -- Hoopy
Ong- Rescind

Daven - Monstrman
Monstrman - Daven

Inform me of any corrections ASAP.

EOD in 2 hours 18 mins.

"So King, what are we fated to do?"

Ong 4
Monstrman 3
Keybored 2
Daven 2
Hoopy 1
Wuf 1
BID 1

Voter -- latest vote
Dhubermex -- BID
BID -- Ong
JKDS -- Keybored
Keybored -- Monstrman
Rong -- Wuf
MMM - Ong
Boog -- Keybored
Luco -- Daven
Gabe -- Ong
Hoopy - Ong
Wuf -- Hoopy
Ong- Monstr
Daven - Monstrman
Monstrman - Daven

Ong 4
Monstrman 4
Keybored 2
Daven 2
Hoopy 1
BID 1

Voter -- latest vote
Dhubermex -- BID
BID -- Ong
JKDS -- Keybored
Keybored -- Monstrman
Rong -- Monstrman
MMM - Ong
Boog -- Keybored
Luco -- Daven
Gabe -- Ong
Hoopy - Ong
Wuf -- Hoopy
Ong- Monstrman
Daven - Monstrman
Monstrman - Daven

Damnit, Rescind Keybored, lynch Monstr

Sigh.

Rescind Monstr, lynch Ong

not exactly sure what i think, just posting this so i can reference it easily again

[rong]

Rescind wuf

Smoke break!

[rong]

I see I'm top of wagon, don't lynch me before tomorrow night. At least allow me a defense.

[gabe]

join me on the boog wagon and maybe you dont have to defend yourself


its weird we should just trust loki...could wuf be loki? im slightly confused by these characters

[Hoopy]

this is accurate 90% of the time. i just know i got burned hard in the anon game or one of the others around it where we had wagonomics look like certainly players are never wolves yet they were wolves

but if im being straightforward about it, you're mostly right. a problem tho is that there is always something wacky in every game. always and i hate it. it makes me feel dumb. I DONT LIKE FEELING DUMB

Agreed I'm not completely ruling it out, just saying it's low probability.

I kinda like the wacky stuff, keeps things interesting.

[Hoopy]

So apparently Loki can talk to the village? Can't say I'm inclined to trust him anytime soon.

Serial killer (Loki)
There is a neutral serial killer in the game (Loki)
On night 0, you get a true affiliation peek. On each night thereafter, you may choose to be vig or bulletproof.

You appear to be vanilla villager to any seer.

Your win conditions are as follows:

As a neutral, you share the win if you are alive when the wolves achieve parity or if all wolves are eliminated. You will be the sole winner of the game if you reach a final 3 with 1 villager and 1 wolf.

You may choose to side with either the wolves or the villagers before start of day 3 as long as 1 wolf and 2 villagers are dead, but you will then become vanilla!

Conditions are fulfilled for him joining either side at this point but I doubt that happens. Survival is the aim of the game for Loki with a chance to potentially win it all.

[wufwugy]

i think loki thinks the village will win, even after he killed the seer. assuming he killed the seer. the wolves could defo have an extra nom that we're never told about, which they chose to use

[BooG690]

From the description:

Serial killer (Loki)
There is a neutral serial killer in the game (Loki)
On night 0, you get a true affiliation peek. On each night thereafter, you may choose to be vig or bulletproof.

You appear to be vanilla villager to any seer.

Your win conditions are as follows:

As a neutral, you share the win if you are alive when the wolves achieve parity or if all wolves are eliminated. You will be the sole winner of the game if you reach a final 3 with 1 villager and 1 wolf.

You may choose to side with either the wolves or the villagers before start of day 3 as long as 1 wolf and 2 villagers are dead, but you will then become vanilla!

I'm not sure how much weight to put in something attested to by the God of Lies and Mischief.
If the mod is straight BS'ing us in the game, though, then wtf kind of game is this?

Also, doesn't the SK (Loki) read as VV?

Is this a read given by the SK, so we know it's not the SK?
I mean: The mod would have us believe that the read comes from Loki (the SK), and I assume Loki didn't read himself.
-.-
so the read is of a VV, and - the one who could read VV when they're not - is not the one who was read. *pant* *gasp*

or Loki is full of shit, can't read, and wuf is Loki, who just told us he read himself as V, which is BS.

***
Screw this. I choose to act in a way that the mod is not BS'ing the thread, and accept that wuf is VV.

Incorporating.

::::rolling hit dice::::

A tall figure in a proud helm was found lying in the frozen wasteland. Ravens blacker than night circled above, screaming in distress.

It was BankItDrew, his heart ripped out.

Spoiler: Show

You are Odin, the all father, king of Asgard and father of Thor and Loki.

You are a variable seer.

You once sacrificed your eye for wisdom. On night 0, you will receive a randomized villager peek. On each odd night thereafter, you may learn the role (Vanilla, vig etc) of any player you choose. On each even night, you may learn the affiliation (villager, wolf) of any player you choose.

You win when all threats to the village are eliminated.

To any seer, Loki is seen a VV. This doesn't necessarily mean Loki's a VV. I'm assuming Loki killed BID here. Also, Wufwugy is Loki here lots of times, no?

You guys got fucking confusing with your WW games. This serial killer thing kind of confuses me.

i think loki thinks the village will win, even after he killed the seer. assuming he killed the seer. the wolves could defo have an extra nom that we're never told about, which they chose to use

Who else would kill the seer? I'm getting the feeling that you may be Loki, Wuf.

[BooG690]

i see several reasons for liking a boog lynch


lynch boog

You vote to lynch me (along with gabe).

This is more damning evidence against rong. Combined with Luco's drunk logic, I'll get off my wufwugy kick (though I'm still watching you) and Lynch rong.

let's do it


lynch rong

This here makes me sick. How the HELL do you agree with someone that you believe to be a wolf? You vote to lynch rong now along with Luco and I. ME. You think I'm a wolf, remember? How does any of that make sense?


You're fucking Loki. You sided with the wolves. Rescind Rong, Lynch Wuf

Momo's soft push of me while voting someone else should be noted by the thread

Should we talk about this at all? Is "MoMo" getting a pass? His posts are SUPER villagery. Too villagery?

[wufwugy]

This here makes me sick. How the HELL do you agree with someone that you believe to be a wolf? You vote to lynch rong now along with Luco and I. ME. You think I'm a wolf, remember? How does any of that make sense?

i have been on record thinking rong is a good lynch, he is one of the few only acceptable lynches today imo (wagonomics), and shortly before i voted him again i stated doubts i had about you being a wolf

i think it's funny you think im loki. there is an incredible amount of room for me to squish the brittle cases against me. the last thing i would do is go "omg im so scurred i have to send a secret msg"

from the beginning of the day i have known im not getting lynched today because i was not on monstr nor was on any counterwagon to ong. so when people say "omg wuf looks so wolfy", i have little need to care since we're gonna lynch one of the people who looked like they are aiding ong

[wufwugy]

gotta be honest i think the last two wolves are boog and jkds

lynch boog

call me lazy because im not doing those super thorough posts i used to, explaining why. i dont think those ever helped and apparently i never even feel like doing them anymore

the short of it is that i think a whole load of players have good vilcred, leaving mainly jkds boog and rong. the wagonomics suggests boog. rong's monstr vote brought it 4v4 with ong still dying, and it was the next vote after ong's on monstr. boog's is the one that put monstr over ong, and the fact that he did it like that sorta nullifies his late switch to ong after monstr's hardclaim. i think boog would often think he's gonna look really bad in that spot, so he might just nail ong

that leaves jkds by default. call me unconvinced that he thinks im a wolf

[wufwugy]

also boog has laser focus on me all game. every new event is a new way for him to make a new case for why he is gonna bold me

[wufwugy]

also ong's first bold was boog

[wufwugy]

wait a second, isnt there a big boog vs jkds first bolds thing? i remember years ago boog and somebody else (iirc jkds) would ALWAYS bold each other. game after game after game. it was like bigred and gator except tenfold. iirc during the game i modded where ong and boog were wolves and won, i asked boog for the lowdown on why it started. ive forgotten why since that was years ago

but somebody confirm, was it boog and jkds? because i dont recall seeing them bold each other this game like they did every other game they played

[wufwugy]

gabe hoopy and rong are the only people left living who i think might know

[wufwugy]

When'd Keith become such a little girl? Oh shit, is that sexist?

Well, being that JKDS is playing, he's obviously a wolf or whatever they're called this game: Lynch JKDS

lol nm, found it



granted i would expect boog to remember, especially if theyre wolves together. it was just weird that i didnt think it happened

forget i said anything

[wufwugy]

granted jkds didnt bold boog. i think his first post may have been late and cutting into keybored

[wufwugy]

keybored dishing out village points way too easily here. keith is the last person he should be towning after one post.

lynch keybored

Yes I can see wolf keybored palling up to villager keith in the hope of avoding his claws. We all know how persistent keith can be, I saw an attempt to keep him on side.

I dont get the keith shot. Wolf dayvigs would want to shoot keith after he effectively cleared himself, and i dont see any pro-town reason to shoot him otherwise.

Monstr is doing the same thing this game as last game. Was a villager last time iirc. There isnt any reason to policy lynch in this game since baudib promised crazyness and there is at least one vig left (thor) in addition to a 3rd party. Lynch for wolfyness.

Lets lynch keybored. He knew keith was a villager based off of very little, and has reason to want to buddy him as a wolf. He also said "alas", which isnt a word anybody ever uses and means hes being creative when writing posts.

lynch keybored

lynch JKDS

There's a good reason why keybored is a villager, and JKDS I would expect to have found it. I'm not going to spell it out but we're not killing him today.

yep not buying this

[wufwugy]

a good possibility that "loki speaks" only happens after he chooses his alignment. which would mean he chose v

[BooG690]

also boog has laser focus on me all DAY. every new event is a new way for him to make a new case for why he is gonna bold me

FTFY. I was all over Keybored yesterday. That tunnel vision, I guess.

Your last string of posts actually convinces me you're a villager. Rescind Wuf, Lynch Rong.

I'll admit JKDS' post (as quoted above) steered me towards going after Keybored on D1. JKDS posts a long post including one coming to my defense:

Boog gut feels wolfy, but theres a lot going against that and I think he is actually almost confirmed villa. I dont even know how that makes sense. While he is being very aggressive/defensive atm, he also hard defended Ong late in the day, and switched off of monstrman at the same time as Luco. Boog didnt have to do that as wolf, and likely wouldnt. There were only 2 minutes left till deadline when he did so, and could easily have feigned missing reveal. Defending ong as he did previously is pretty bizarre as well, given how much heat ong was getting. Reading through the thread, Ong seems like he was shitting his pants the entire time, especially in his arguments with Drew. It doesnt make sense. Im not lynching him here, and in spite of his aggressively defensive style (which I think is normal? I dont remember) I dont see a reason to lynch him.

Is he buttering me up? He also sides with me in going after Wuf.

He also defends rong:

I dont see Rong as a wolf. Being on monstr doesnt say anything for me, as we already found a wolf on that wagon. I dont think a last minute vote on monstr is something a wolf would do either, given wolfwuggy's fact that ong encourages other wolves to vote him in dire situations. Rong has this decently long back and forth with Ong earlier in the thread over the triple voting stuff, and that does not seem like a staged discussion. He defended ong a few times, but ong is a tricky bastard and loads of people defended him (daven, boog, and myself off the top of my head).

Woflwuggy doesnt do these things though. He isnt voting ong in places that would be weird for wolves to do it, he isnt defending ong or voting monstr at risky moments, hes just kinda there. He and ong have what seems like a staged back and forth as well when discussing keith's affiliation, even a part where ong votes him and then immediately backs off. Hes also very quick to jump on rong, in spite of boog (his previous vote) being all for it.

Contrast that with this back and forth with Rong


Ong goes at great length to attack rong (doing it in a few different posts), and ong is very slow to back down. These scenarios are different. Rong seems like he was posting stream of conscience though, and seemed like he was genuinely arguing with ong (even including lots of statements relating to being understood properly and not knowing how ong would respond to them). Ong was also hesitant to vote Rong here, whereas he voted wuf quickly. This reads how a wolf attacking a villager would read.

I can see it being rong and JKDS. I'm throwing MMM in there as the final (though I'm most unsure about him). JKDS being a wolf would be stronger proof. MMM hasn't commented much on JKDS, even though he's made pretty thorough (looking) posts thus far. JKDS is barely mentioned except in post #470 which barely counts.

Obviously, my case for JKDS is pretty broken if Rong is found to be V.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Should we talk about this at all? Is "MoMo" getting a pass? His posts are SUPER villagery. Too villagery?

It was going to be one of the first questions I asked at start of day.
A) Is he talking about me?
If so:
B) What did I say that he called a "soft push?"

If you know what he's talking about I'll address it.

***
Is a soft push like when you ask if someone is too villagery, implying that there's something wrong, but not saying it directly?

lynch boog

***
wuf, you've looked wolfy, or at least non-villagery most of the game. It's only since the Loki post that you've suddenly got any cred, and frankly, cred from Loki Lies Spinner is worth jack shit. The only real cred you have is that the mod has posted a "fact" and until/unless I see evidence that the mod has directly messed with us, I'm going with that.

I'm not defending JKDS at all (I need to re-read his posts in light of the Loki post), but I am saying that you've looked wolfy to me, and I'm not convinced of ill intentions from JKDS yet.

[wufwugy]

wuf, you've looked wolfy, or at least non-villagery most of the game.

and i hope everybody remembers it for all future games

granted, i dont think ive looked wolfy, but i understand why some would think so.

[JKDS]

Wuf is loki. Maybe the wolves will kill him, but we certainly dont have to. unlynch wuf

[rong]

Lynch boog

Why the duck are you people wagoning me, I said I'm afk for a day, there is no rush. Opportunism.

Someone ducking rescind me.

I'm too drunk to propper defend.

[JKDS]

I see I'm top of wagon, don't lynch me before tomorrow night. At least allow me a defense.

Maybe I'm wrong on Rong. This reads a lot like "im valuable, dont lynch me" but we dont have our specials anymore.

join me on the boog wagon and maybe you dont have to defend yourself

Gabe, he lynched ong with 2min to deadline when monstr was gonna die. I dont see how any wolf ever does this.

[JKDS]

No, thats stupid.

relynch wuf

Its just as likely wuf is a wolf, loki knows it, is siding with the wolves, and trying to protect wuf.

[wufwugy]

Gabe, he lynched ong with 2min to deadline when monstr was gonna die. I dont see how any wolf ever does this.

i dont think you're thinking this through

boog put monstr over the top then monstr claimed and boog went back to ong. he can do this as a wolf. if he doesnt rescind it makes him look terrible

there aren't that many options, one of rong and boog are very likely wolves. boog is in the worst position. everything boog did looks like a wolf in a tough spot. he even tried to attack me for avoiding "putting himself in a tough spot" by bolding hoopy and vanishing. i pointed out that this could be pov-leak since he could be fully cognizant of himself having been in that tough spot.

if rong or boog arent wolves, it means none of the other two bothered to help ong. iirc this has never happened before. if rong is the wolf it means he bolded monstr right after ong and it didnt even put ong in the clear. boog is the one that makes sense for a wolf

[wufwugy]

Obviously, my case for JKDS is pretty broken if Rong is found to be V.

how convenient if jkds and boog are the wolves

[Luco]

Lynch boog

Why the duck are you people wagoning me, I said I'm afk for a day, there is no rush. Opportunism.

Someone ducking rescind me.

I'm too drunk to propper defend.

rescind rong

you need to add fucking to your phones dictonary