Vikings, Gods and Giants Game thread

[Hoopy]

Quick question for all you Ong lynchers: why would Ong bring SO much attention to himself on DAY ONE as a wolf, especially concerning a soon-to-be subbed Keith?

This is what I meant by fancy play syndrome being involved here. Him doing it as a wolf is pretty ballsy, but as a villager it makes no sense at all.

Don't see myself switching to anyone else except maybe dhuber, but time is getting short.

[BankItDrew]

You will all bask in my glory when ong flips wolf.

[OngBonga]

Something's come up, I gotta go out. Just lynch me, problem solved. Sorry for spazzing.

[OngBonga]

You will all bask in my glory when ong flips wolf.

And you're gonna have to reassess your gut when I flip villager.

[BankItDrew]

And you're gonna have to reassess your gut when I flip villager.

Shit. This feels village now.

You convinced me to change me vote last time I felt this way though, and I was right then.

[Keybored]

This is what I meant by fancy play syndrome being involved here. Him doing it as a wolf is pretty ballsy, but as a villager it makes no sense at all. Don't see myself switching to anyone else except maybe dhuber, but time is getting short.

1) No way this game is setup with wolves having a 1-time.
2) A wolf-vig takes a shot at a know/suspected special.
3) There's no way Ong wastes his 1-time so early as a wolf.
4) The circumstances around Ong's shot were highly emotional.

There's just not enough reason for an Ong lynch this early. He's a superpower villager/leader. We can't let him go this early w/o better cause.

Voting:
ONG = BID, MMM, GABE, HOOPY
MONSTR = DAVEN, KEYB, ONG
KEYB = JKDS, BOOG
DAVEN = MONSTR, LUCO

If you're online with your vote sitting on 1 person, consider switching to a wagon so we don't mislynch with such a small minority vote!

[Hoopy]

1) No way this game is setup with wolves having a 1-time.
2) A wolf-vig takes a shot at a know/suspected special.
3) There's no way Ong wastes his 1-time so early as a wolf.
4) The circumstances around Ong's shot were highly emotional.

There's just not enough reason for an Ong lynch this early. He's a superpower villager/leader. We can't let him go this early w/o better cause.

Voting:
ONG = BID, MMM, GABE, HOOPY
MONSTR = DAVEN, KEYB, ONG
KEYB = JKDS, BOOG
DAVEN = MONSTR, LUCO

If you're online with your vote sitting on 1 person, consider switching to a wagon so we don't mislynch with such a small minority vote!

Can you give me a rough idea why you're on monstr? He doesn't seem wolfy to me.

[baudib]

"So King, what are we fated to do?"

Ong 4
Monstrman 3
Keybored 2
Daven 2
Hoopy 1
Wuf 1
BID 1

Voter -- latest vote
Dhubermex -- BID
BID -- Ong
JKDS -- Keybored
Keybored -- Monstrman
Rong -- Wuf
MMM - Ong
Boog -- Keybored
Luco -- Daven
Gabe -- Ong
Hoopy - Ong
Wuf -- Hoopy
Ong- Monstr
Daven - Monstrman
Monstrman - Daven

[rong]

rescind wuf, lynch monster

[rong]

Wuf going nowhere ong, so onwards. I can't see ong wolf shooting Keith. I'm thinking he's more likely to do it as a villager, although it is ducking retarded.

Something about monster is off. But I can't make much of an argument out of it. But meh, it's day one. I prefer monster to ong for sure.

[rong]

And I can't figure out why I posted about mono, but looking back I posted as if I was responding to put someone straight. I'm simply not re-reading the thread to find out. As the game progresses and I'm forced to re-read anyway I'm sure it will come to me.

[rong]

But people doing retarded shit really does make this game difficult. I mean who the duck shoots Keith there, Rufus.

[baudib]

Ong 4
Monstrman 4
Keybored 2
Daven 2
Hoopy 1
BID 1

Voter -- latest vote
Dhubermex -- BID
BID -- Ong
JKDS -- Keybored
Keybored -- Monstrman
Rong -- Monstrman
MMM - Ong
Boog -- Keybored
Luco -- Daven
Gabe -- Ong
Hoopy - Ong
Wuf -- Hoopy
Ong- Monstrman
Daven - Monstrman
Monstrman - Daven

[Keybored]

Can you give me a rough idea why you're on monstr? He doesn't seem wolfy to me.

hoopy...see post 337.

[baudib]

EOD in 17 minutes.

Do not post after 3:00 p.m.

[Keybored]

Also, Hoopy, 7 diff ppl have voted Monstr this day...he's obv not fitting in with this table for some reason.

[Keybored]

Good luck ONG & MONSTR (don't know who the tie-break is).
And everyone else tonight.
Hope we done right.
Cheers!

[BooG690]

Mostly on the fact that I think Ong is V: [b]Rescind Keybored, lynch Monstr[\b]

[BooG690]

Damnit, Rescind Keybored, lynch Monstr

[monstrman]

Hardclaim thor

[monstrman]

Outed wolves between the wagons of ong and monstrman

[monstrman]

rescind

LYNCH ong self preservation

[monstrman]

Keyboard, ong, rong, daven all scummy votes on my wagon.

Could be a real thing that ong openly shot a villager in the face.

[monstrman]

Momo's soft push of me while voting someone else should be noted by the thread

[monstrman]

Well I'm getting lynched

Whoever is reading and not saving me is a wolf and they know it.

[monstrman]

This is what I meant by fancy play syndrome being involved here. Him doing it as a wolf is pretty ballsy, but as a villager it makes no sense at all.

Don't see myself switching to anyone else except maybe dhuber, but time is getting short.

Also, Hoopy, 7 diff ppl have voted Monstr this day...he's obv not fitting in with this table for some reason.

Woof

[Luco]

rescind, lynch ong

[BooG690]

Sigh.

Rescind Monstr, lynch Ong

[monstrman]

Ain't even mad.

[monstrman]

This is what I meant by fancy play syndrome being involved here. Him doing it as a wolf is pretty ballsy, but as a villager it makes no sense at all.

Don't see myself switching to anyone else except maybe dhuber, but time is getting short.

rescind, lynch ong

Woof woof to those two votes if he flips villager

[monstrman]

Why does it keep quoting Hoopy

STOP QUOTING HOOPY

[baudib]

DAY IS OVER

[baudib]

15 minutes for corrections to vote count.

::::running heuristics:::::

:::::counting widgets:::::

:::::spinning hamsters:::::

[MadMojoMonkey]

:::::reticulating splines:::::

[baudib]

VC

Ong 7
Monstrman 3
Keybored 1
Daven 1
Hoopy 1
BID 1

::::hamsters spinning out of control:::::

[baudib]

[baudib]

[baudib]

OngBonga has been lynched.

Spoiler: Show

You are the Midgard Serpent, known as Jormungand. You are the sworn enemy of Thor.

You are a 1x 100% day vig. Once per game, you may choose one player to be killed. Chances of death may be modified by other players or actions.

If Thor reveals his identity or role in game while you are alive, you will be awarded a second day vig.

You are a wolf and win when you reach parity with the village.

[baudib]

Night actions due by 3 a.m. EST.

Thread is locked.

[baudib]

Mod Corner:

Q: What is the order of night actions?
A: All night targeting actions occur simultaneously.


Q: Do attack percentages from multiple parties stack?
A: No, every attack is treated as a separate act.

[baudib]

[baudib]

A hail of daggers flew at Monstrman.

::::rolling hit dice:::::::

Spoiler: Show

You are Thor, the god of thunder. You are the son of Odin and the brother of Loki.

You are an every night vigilante. On each night, you may target a player to die. You start with a base 50% chance of killing, but this percentage may be increased or decreased due to other factors.

You may develop other abilities as the game progresses.
You win when all threats to the village are eliminated.



At the time of his death, Thor had received a message from Loki and earned a special power

[baudib]

The two longtime friends had agreed. The watchful god illuminated the figure in the darkness, and his wounded ally threw a mighty hammer.

::::rolling hit dice::::

Keybored has fallen.

Spoiler: Show

You are Torstein, a a loyal ally of Ragnar Lothbrok.

You are a vanilla villager. You are the heart of the game and your vote is your weapon.

You may acquire new abilities as the game progresses.

You win when all threats to the village are eliminated.

At the time of his death, Torstein had gained a special power.

[baudib]

::::rolling hit dice::::

A tall figure in a proud helm was found lying in the frozen wasteland. Ravens blacker than night circled above, screaming in distress.

It was BankItDrew, his heart ripped out.

Spoiler: Show

You are Odin, the all father, king of Asgard and father of Thor and Loki.

You are a variable seer.

You once sacrificed your eye for wisdom. On night 0, you will receive a randomized villager peek. On each odd night thereafter, you may learn the role (Vanilla, vig etc) of any player you choose. On each even night, you may learn the affiliation (villager, wolf) of any player you choose.

You win when all threats to the village are eliminated.

[baudib]

[baudib]

THE BLIND SEER* SPEAKS
The Northman, dressed in furs, his head shaved except for a single braided knot, entered the tent of the shaman.

The smell was a mixture of rancid meat and sickly sweet burning candles.

The seer, whose eyes could not be seen beneath an unnatural growth of swollen flesh hanging from his forehead, had jaundiced, reptilian skin and bleeding black lips. He was said to be 950 years old. Some say he was older and could remember the time when Yggdrasil was born to the multiverse.

"Tell me old man, did you know what would happen? What did you do about it?"

"I see what the gods allow me to see, " the shaman whispered, "and say what they allow me to say."

"As unhelpful as ever," the frustrated Northman said. "So you saw nothing, or said nothing? Old man, this is serious business. The fate of men and gods hangs in the balance."

"And you know that you cannot change your fate!" the shaman wheezed.

"Know this though," he continued. "These are indeed dark, dark times. A strange epoch. Question your gods, put faith in men. And women. ... The gods always smile on brave women.

"One woman in particular...."

"I don't understand," the mortal warrior said.

"This is true," said the seer.

He paused. He actually smiled!

"Know this: Gaining knowledge is not always as crucial as the way in which you gained it. I can tell you truths that will sink your heart and lead you to fall into despair. Or I can be silent and let you cling to your hopes..."

The Northman stood up.

"Your warrior Torstein...he would have been favored with the wisdom of Odin, had he only lived. The gods giveth, yet the gods also taketh away."




The seer expectantly reached out a decrepit hand, taloned by gruesome claws. At this sign, the warrior leaned down with a reverent bow, slid his tongue out of his mouth. He licked the old man's palm, as was custom,and quietly left without another word.

* The blind seer and the Northman are non-playing characters (NPC) who do not impact the game but give cryptic information.

[baudib]

IMPORTANT MOD NOTE

There will be no majority lynch in effect until the village is in mortal danger -- that is, one mislynch away from losing. This is known as "must lynch."

-- at Must Lynch, all votes will be locked in and cannot be changed or rescinded
-- a vote of "No Lynch" will be allowed
-- self-voting will not result in modkill


Keith, a vanilla villager, shot Day 1
OngBonga, a wolf day vig, lynched Day 1
Monstrman, a village vig, killed Night 1
Keybored, a vanilla villager, killed Night 1
BankItDrew, a village seer, killed Night 1

The Living
Boog
Daven
Dhubermex
Gabe
Hoopy
JKDS
Luco
MadMojoMonkey
Rong
Wufwugy

2 Frost Giants
1 Trickster God
7 Vikings


IT IS DAY. YOU MAY POST.

In order to not end day in the middle of the weekend, when games are slow, End of Day will be 11 p.m. EST on Sunday.

[Luco]

oh shit we lost the seer

carnage

[Hoopy]

Uggghhh I was happy that Ong got lynched yesterday (wolf spazz ftw), particularly the way there was last minute vote changes which clear Luco imo.

Losing the vig & seer this early is bad though. When I get back tonight I'm going to scan the thread to see if drew dropped a hint on his randomized n0 lookup.

[Luco]

Boog rong daven, all went for monstr

One wolf in there, and one likely on ong

Hoops & mojo clear. Hoopy drew's n0 lookup was clearly ong, I've just looked

[rong]

Wow, carnage.

Ongs play was odd, I assume my original assessment of his reasons was accurate.

I'm confused by all the death.

Keith : day vigged by ong.
ong : lynched.
Monster?
keyboard?
bid?

[rong]

Monster wolf killed.

One of the other 2 vigged, the third?

[rong]

Keyboard vigged by monster.

Stuck on bid.

[rong]

Need to see if drew left a clue re his night 0 villager peek. That could be amusing.

[rong]

Was drew given a n0 random player peek or random villager peek? Could mean it couldn't be ong. If it was ong and was obvious could explain the ong spaz.

[rong]

Does the sk get night kills?

[rong]

From op:

Serial killer (Loki)
There is a neutral serial killer in the game (Loki)
On night 0, you get a true affiliation peek. On each night thereafter, you may choose to be vig or bulletproof.

You appear to be vanilla villager to any seer.





So explains the other death.

[Luco]

Yeah it does say seer would be given a n0 villager peek so it's not ong

Daven is a villager

This is all I could find.

[BooG690]

For reasons I described here (clickable link), Wuf is looking SUSPECT.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Agreed that OP shows many examples of very specific word choice.
E.g. affiliation vs role ; player vs villager vs target

It seems to be a distinction that is made consistently.

If BID's peek was any player, it seems it must have been ong. He waffles a bit near the end, but holds his vote. I don't know if BID would pull the ruse of waffling. My gut says no. So the peek was not Ong, and BID did pick up some read on Ong's earliest posts. (Nice work, BID)

Assuming the peek was def. of a V:

He claims his first bold on wuf was a joke, but that means wuf wasn't his V-peek.
BID drops a bold on dhubs in post #137, so that rules out dhubs.
Then monstrman in #143.
(daven's #144 clears him from my perspective.)
BID's #149, "Daven is a villager" comes right behind that... maybe his peek.
BID #237 says "hoopys post was very wolfy" - not hoopy
#239 - BID says "boog wolfin" - not boog
#297 cites player moral for reason he's not voting gabe - prob. not gabe.
#339 "Solid keybored villager post" - maybe his peek was key
- This triggers the "is this sarcasm" ; "no" interaction.

#363 - "The suit is black" ?? dafuq?

Unmentioned - JKDS*, Keith, Luco, MMM, Rong
Unlikely - gabe

Likely - daven, keybored

***
Daven's "nope" in #144 basically clears him. It came when wolves would NOT want to be pushing that angle at all.
gabe's vote on ong looks pretty legit for V-cred.

***
*BID said that JKDS and ong are not both wolves, but I don't like something about it.

[MadMojoMonkey]

For reasons I described here (clickable link), Wuf is looking SUSPECT.

Personally, I think we should

lynch rong

at this time, but I agree that wuf is suspect. Wuf's post count for D1 last game (when he was V) was 119. This game, his D1 post count is 18.

However, rong has 37 posts of benign distractions that don't even hint at making me smile, let alone laugh out loud.
If you can't be helpful OR funny, then GTFO.

Also:
dhubs vote on BID stinks of the possibility of special hunting, but I think dhubs is way too clever to openly push a special hunt in the thread if he was a wolf, so I'm going to give a tentative reduction in my suspicion of dhubs.

JKDS needs to make that case I assume is coming. If no case, then JKDS is lurking. A lurking JKDS is the most dangerous kind.

[rong]

I'm down with wuf, as I said yesterday, he normally screams villager but this game doesn't. There's a definite change to his tone.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Wow, carnage.

Ongs play was odd, I assume my original assessment of his reasons was accurate.

I'm confused by all the death.

Keith : day vigged by ong.
ong : lynched.
Monster?
keyboard?
bid?

monstrman (Thor) was killed by a hail of daggers (multiple killers = Frost Giants = wolves).

keybored (Torstein) was killed by monstrman (Thor's hammer), possibly with the assistance of the targeter:
"The two longtime friends had agreed. The watchful god illuminated the figure in the darkness, and his wounded ally threw a mighty hammer."

BID (Odin) had his heart ripped out - sounds like the SK's work to me.

[BooG690]

i won't be back on before the gameday is over.

im guessing talkless nights

Wuf conveniently finished the day with this. His vote was locked on Hoopy. Ong was on the ropes. As a wolf, it's in his best interest to stop posting early in hopes that it relieves him of any decision to make in regards to Ong.

[MadMojoMonkey]

@boog: Agreed on wuf.
I meant the note on post count to be in addition to your other comments. Clearly the post counts mean nothing when taken out of context.

If it's not clear, I am in line with you on wuf. I have agreed with your criticisms throughout D1*, but my attention was on Ong.
Wuf has played an incredibly wolfy game as a villager recently, so that's on my mind, too.

I'm coming down on the side of his play this game being NOT like the game where everyone spazzed 'cause the Cursed Villager role was awesome. Frankly, I'm not sure how intentional it was, but the wolfiness of everyone's play in that game hid the village specials from the wolves incredibly well.


*I haven't done a thorough dig on what you've said about wuf, but I don't recall disagreeing with any points you've made.

[JKDS]

Ok, I finally have time for this.

[Hoopy]

So a quick summary of what happened late yesterday.

monstr and ong were tied at 4 each with 10 mins left, must check who was leading tie breaker.

boog votes monstr, maybe playing on the fact that the thread was empty and EOD was very close. Risky though.

monstr votes ong.

monstr leads tie break by getting to 5 first.

Switch by luco with 2 mins left, confirmed as villager imo.

boog switches to ong straight after.

[Hoopy]

Ong was leading the tiebreaker when they were tied at 4 votes each.

[gabe]

next game we play where ong is spazzing out, please remember this game.

this new info means time for a reread. the posts on this page have me leaning towards wuf being a good place to start. jkds is suspicious too

[gabe]

daven dhuber jkds wuf arent helping the village. there has to be at least 1 wolf in there

boog is playing very shady. he plainly hops on after the tiebreaker. also..

I think Ong is villager. I think Ong is, um, well, he's, good at this game (that really hurt to say). Ong says don't lynch monstr. I don't like people telling me what to do but, I don't know, maybe he's right. If he isn't, we gain a lot of knowledge IF monstr flips wolf. Still, fuck you Ong for telling me what to do.

doesnt the whole "i dont like being told what to do" routine seem a little weird? its probably boog projecting something from the den with ong. ong pulled a crazy day 1 move and wanted boog to do something to help ong not die, but it didnt happen. add in the fact that boog is rusty and he might have let himself post this without thinking what it reveals

lynch boog

[Hoopy]

Read through all of drew's posts to try and find his random n0 villager lookup.

Hahaha... Fair enough.

The last time I soulread you as wolf, you reacted the exact same way. Just sayin'


Ong and JKDS are not wolves together

Maybe hinting that he knows JKDS isn't wolfing.

Daven is a villager

Very direct right after daven pointed out that ong wasn't cleared just for being a day vig. Most likely hint.

I'd feel bad doing this due to player moral. Gabe dies early every game recently.

Probably nothing.

[wufwugy]

i think i see two explanations for why ong shot keith. one is that hee could have thought that because of everything that went down, it meant keith was a likely special. i don't think what went down with keith suggested he was a special at all, but i can think of why ong may have thought it did. as a wolf, ong's shot was worse than if he's a villager imo and something he is less likely to do as a wolf than villager imo UNLESS he thought keith was a special

the other option is that ong was tired of wolfing (he's gotten it a shitload recently). i think this is more likely than thinking keith is a special


i see people are looking at me. it's always fun when that happens. three things i'd like to say:

(1) if ong and i are wolves together he would be ecstatic about wolfing since it would be my first time in many years, i have loads of cool theories on how to wolf that i havent told anybody, and everybody thinks that i would be fun to wolf with. this means that if his keith shot came from him spazzing or whatever from not liking that he rolled wolf again, im not a wolf with him since he wouldnt feel that way if i was.

(2) the last time i was a baddy (pseudo-wolf role), i convinced everybody that i was the most villagery looking person on the planet. not just that was a villager, but that everything i did looked villagery

(3) my hours have always been different than everybody elses. during school weeks im completely absent for about 20 hour stretches. additionally, i just switched my major to math (which im terrible at), so ive been a bit extra focused on making sure i can succeed. this is probably the best explanation for rong's claim that he can't clear me when he normally can by now. simply put, my priorities are changing, and that has included no longer trying to clown all youse foolz at ww. instead, just having fun and playing on intuition. it's not like my hyper-analytical style ever did me any good anyways

[gabe]

i dont think you could say 1) as a wolf


so good job

[BooG690]

i dont think you could say 1) as a wolf


so good job

What? How was that remotely a good defense?

i think i see two explanations for why ong shot keith. one is that hee could have thought that because of everything that went down, it meant keith was a likely special. i don't think what went down with keith suggested he was a special at all, but i can think of why ong may have thought it did. as a wolf, ong's shot was worse than if he's a villager imo and something he is less likely to do as a wolf than villager imo UNLESS he thought keith was a special

Ong made it clear he didn't think Keith was a special. Sure, he was a wolf saying that but he was most likely telling the truth there. Keith is never ever ever ever a special there and Ong knew that. Moreover, you're smart enough to know that Ong knew that.

the other option is that ong was tired of wolfing (he's gotten it a shitload recently). i think this is more likely than thinking keith is a special

We're talking about the same Ong here, right? You honestly think Ong would find out he's a wolf, say MEH, and just throw the game? You HONESTLY think Ong wouldn't care about winning epicly? You know Ong better than that, Wuf.

(1) if ong and i are wolves together he would be ecstatic about wolfing since it would be my first time in many years, i have loads of cool theories on how to wolf that i havent told anybody, and everybody thinks that i would be fun to wolf with. this means that if his keith shot came from him spazzing or whatever from not liking that he rolled wolf again, im not a wolf with him since he wouldnt feel that way if i was.

So, by your logic, since Ong threw the game (or was tired of being a wolf or whatever), you CAN'T be a wolf since you're so much fun to be a wolf with? That Ong would NEVER throw the game (I re-iterate the idea that Ong would play like he didn't care is ridiculous) because he'd be so goddamn excited to be a wolf with you? This is weak.

(2) the last time i was a baddy (pseudo-wolf role), i convinced everybody that i was the most villagery looking person on the planet. not just that was a villager, but that everything i did looked villagery

This is the equivalent of you saying: I'm such a good wolf that I would never get caught. I only look like a wolf when I'm a villager. I'm SO villagery when I'm a wolf. Therefore, I can't be a wolf.

I'm not even gonna explain why THAT argument lacks any logic.

(3) my hours have always been different than everybody elses. during school weeks im completely absent for about 20 hour stretches. additionally, i just switched my major to math (which im terrible at), so ive been a bit extra focused on making sure i can succeed. this is probably the best explanation for rong's claim that he can't clear me when he normally can by now. simply put, my priorities are changing, and that has included no longer trying to clown all youse foolz at ww. instead, just having fun and playing on intuition. it's not like my hyper-analytical style ever did me any good anyways

You signed up for this game knowing you'd have school. You love this game. You mean to tell me that you won't take a break from these apparent "20 hour stretches" of straight studying to check the forum? ESPECIALLY as the day is winding down? That's horseshit. You wanted to avoid a tough decision with your wolf buddy Ong on the chopping block.

boog is playing very shady. he plainly hops on after the tiebreaker. also..

doesnt the whole "i dont like being told what to do" routine seem a little weird? its probably boog projecting something from the den with ong. ong pulled a crazy day 1 move and wanted boog to do something to help ong not die, but it didnt happen. add in the fact that boog is rusty and he might have let himself post this without thinking what it reveals

lynch boog

My vote was on Keybored. Why would I EVER leave it there? Why would I have my vote NOT count for something? I thought Ong was a villager. I even flirted with the idea of lynching monstr due to his being hard to read later in the game. Me flipping to monstr was the move I make every time.

As for the "I don't like being told what to do," fuck Ong telling me what to do. If THAT'S the argument for voting me, meh.

[wufwugy]

Ong made it clear he didn't think Keith was a special. Sure, he was a wolf saying that but he was most likely telling the truth there. Keith is never ever ever ever a special there and Ong knew that. Moreover, you're smart enough to know that Ong knew that.

i agreed with ong, which is partly why i didnt think ong would have thought he was a special. after finding out ong was a wolf, it means ong may have lied itt

i agree that keith isnt a special there, but there is a case for it.

We're talking about the same Ong here, right? You honestly think Ong would find out he's a wolf, say MEH, and just throw the game? You HONESTLY think Ong wouldn't care about winning epicly? You know Ong better than that, Wuf.

looks like you dont get ong. he doesnt care about winning epicly that often. he gives up as wolf some of the time. he is tired of getting wolf. he has said as much several times. it is reasonable to assume that he would play more recklessly as a wolf. it isnt that he would choose to play badly (he wouldnt), but that he would gravitate towards rationalizations that require less of the same kind of stuff he did the million other times he was wolf in the last few games

So, by your logic, since Ong threw the game (or was tired of being a wolf or whatever), you CAN'T be a wolf since you're so much fun to be a wolf with? That Ong would NEVER throw the game (I re-iterate the idea that Ong would play like he didn't care is ridiculous) because he'd be so goddamn excited to be a wolf with you? This is weak.

if the logic is that ong was tired of wolfing, then it means i am unlikely wolf. you're free to have whatever logic you want, i'll just point out what's consistent.

This is the equivalent of you saying: I'm such a good wolf that I would never get caught. I only look like a wolf when I'm a villager. I'm SO villagery when I'm a wolf. Therefore, I can't be a wolf.

I'm not even gonna explain why THAT argument lacks any logic.

no, that is like me saying "you've seen how i played baddy in the past".

ive been baddy twice. both times my goal was to make myself look as villagery as possible. it is reasonable to assume that if i was a wolf this time, i might do the same thing instead of this current play that everybody says looks wolfy

You signed up for this game knowing you'd have school. You love this game. You mean to tell me that you won't take a break from these apparent "20 hour stretches" of straight studying to check the forum? ESPECIALLY as the day is winding down? That's horseshit. You wanted to avoid a tough decision with your wolf buddy Ong on the chopping block.

ive posted about the 20 hours stretches several times in the past. during school, once i have dinner, i tend to not get back online until the afternoon of the next day.

My vote was on Keybored. Why would I EVER leave it there? Why would I have my vote NOT count for something? I thought Ong was a villager. I even flirted with the idea of lynching monstr due to his being hard to read later in the game. Me flipping to monstr was the move I make every time.

As for the "I don't like being told what to do," fuck Ong telling me what to do. If THAT'S the argument for voting me, meh.

funny how this contradicts your claim that my sitting on hoopy and going afk was wolfy