Possible bluff spot

[daviddem]

As played I would also bet flop.

@seven-deuce: see, I told you that a lot of players take a stab with any 2 in these spots when checked to... (referring to your other thread where you have JJ OOP on a Q high flop)

Whether to take the stab here is pretty villain dependent. You need some reads whether he would c/c or c/f a PP here. And whether he is likely to fold to barrels.

For the river, if you are going to bluff it, bluff bigger than 0.15 imo. If you had a big flush here how much would you bet hoping to get called by a smaller flush? Pretty sure it's more than 0.15. If I was villain holding a bluff catcher, 0.15 is pretty much exactly the amount I would hope to see you bet.

Also if villain is a good hand reader, he could figure that you would probably start betting a big draw like big diamond+over ott...

[seven-deuce]

@seven-deuce: see, I told you that a lot of players take a stab with any 2 in these spots when checked to... (referring to your other thread where you have JJ OOP on a Q high flop)

Whether to take the stab here is pretty villain dependent. You need some reads whether he would c/c or c/f a PP here. And whether he is likely to fold to barrels.

For the river, if you are going to bluff it, bluff bigger than 0.15 imo. If you had a big flush here how much would you bet hoping to get called by a smaller flush? Pretty sure it's more than 0.15. If I was villain holding a bluff catcher, 0.15 is pretty much exactly the amount I would hope to see you bet.

Also if villain is a good hand reader, he could figure that you would probably start betting a big draw like big diamond+over ott...

@bold not sure you can directly compare a 3-bet and a call to a bet and a call, and when you say "any 2 in these spots" i think you mean their entire range, which i don't think is going to be true all that often, most people will bet some of their range and check some.

[griffey24]

@seven-deuce: see, I told you that a lot of players take a stab with any 2 in these spots when checked to... (referring to your other thread where you have JJ OOP on a Q high flop)

I don't know if I view AQ here as 'any 2'?

When facing a check, this is a pure value bet, with equity in the event that we're behind and he's taking a c/c line.

Once people check this flop it's unlikely they suddenly bluff turn (barring specific reads that villain does this), so there isn't much value checking AQ behind here and expecting to bluff catch turn. Might as well bet now.

[daviddem]

When facing a check, this is a pure value bet, with equity in the event that we're behind and he's taking a c/c line.

By "any 2" I meant most of your range. If you bet AQ, which part of your range do you check behind with?

Also if you're saying that this is a pure value bet, can you assign a continuing range to villain that we're ahead of, keeping in mind that he is on the tight side?

And if it is a value bet, I wouldn't say "pure". Wouldn't we like him to fold AK, AQ or his smaller PP's?