*** Witch Hunt: Village of Souls gameplay thread ***

[Luco]

Luco, looking at your post above, #667, Luco/JKDS I'm obviously all over. Not a fan of pascal/long as I'm not certain pascal is a wolf and if I finger a villager its game over. pascal/daven I'm not sure of. I really need to go over both of their posts, should have done it last night but I'm on a heater at the tables and wanna ride the wave while it lasts. (10k hands, 14bb/100 ftmfw!)

Two things:

1/ I wasn't talking about finger buddies, I was talking about who are our last two witches.

2/ Sick run, keep it up

[jyms]

I see no reason to be bolding anyone at this time. We aren't going to Lynch today without a bunch of discussion and new info. Luco, what's your rush. You've got several candidates and already rescinded. Can we just slow down and let some people post their thoughts on what happened?

[Luco]

I see no reason to be bolding anyone at this time. We aren't going to Lynch today without a bunch of discussion and new info. Luco, what's your rush. You've got several candidates and already rescinded. Can we just slow down and let some people post their thoughts on what happened?

Yeah I got a little over zealous, but the day is long. Sorry.

I do have a niggling worry that another witch may jump before they are pushed to silence a villager, but actually it's very unlikely so we have to assume it won't happen.

[rong]

Rong: Witch!!
1. -Is afraid of fingers. +WP
2. -Boog kill was 'throwing us a bone'. Idk, I Pascal and Daven both respect boog. They could have legitametly feared him, and it wasnt a mercy kill at all. This is a weird post from rong. +WP
3. -NOT wolves with luco (+VP for luco) due to the luco-jkds thing.
4. -NOT wolve with jyms (+VP for jyms) due to p200.
5 -Tries to hurt hoopy's heat when gabe goes after him. ++WP
6 -fishing for daven's thoughts on me in p247, to revive my wagon maybe? +WP
7 -Pushes me over hoopy in p451 +WP
8 -Hoopy's death posts lists villagers as Gabe, rong, jv. 1's dead, 1s a lock villager, and the other is wolfy b/c wolves want to cover their friends as villagers. +WP
9 -Luco's case is pretty appealing actually. +++WP

I've numbered these to make it easier to respond to.

1. Fingering has been bad for the village for most of the game as agreed with by most sane people. I even explained clearly why this is so for different situations in a previous post which you unsurprisingly haven't mentioned, so this point is just complete rubbish.

2. Boog hadn't posted at all at the point they killed him, which is why I said it was throwing us a bone as we were getting battered what with the fingering that had gone on. An active jv, JKDS or gabe villager would be a far greater threat than an afk boog. But nice buttering up of some remaining players, "look, you guys are just like me". Do they teach you that at law school?

3. Correct.

4. What? That doesn't make any sense.

5. That's kinda true but because I thought there were better lynches at the time, but I guess it could be construed as trying to help a fellow wolf so yeah that's an ok point.

6. Well yeah, I was trying to encourage other people to talk and sometimes that will be about you, that's part of the game. That's not wolfy at all.

7. You're just repeating yourself here, this is just a combination of 5 & 6.

8. Hoopy's villager list of gabe, me & jv. When he posted that he probably knew he was gonna finger gabe (or night kill if he survived), nobody thinks jv is a wolf, and he knew gabe would show villager, so it would make sense to throw in another villager as people will assume there must he a wolf on there. Either that or hoopy is rather stupid and didn't think about it at all. If anything that's evidence for me being a villager.

9. Luco's case is based on me targeting him and other people have spoken up about the fact that it didn't hold much water and I'm likely to be a villager.


This looks to me like a desperate attempt to look like you're wolf hunting by grabbing on to anything and making a bull Shit case whilst trying desperately to align yourself with other players. I'm not sure if this is because you're a wolf or just because you haven't paid much attention to the game and are now making a half hearted effort.

[rong]

Also, jv gets all the credit for the rule change but I was part of that request too, as below, posts 55 & 56. Nobody else mentioned this but jv & I yet jv is practically proven a villager for it and I'm not considered with regard to it at all. I'm not saying it makes me a lock villager but its certainly evidence of my villagerness.

In fact shouldn't there be a clause like, if you finger an actual witch then you don't die, for it to make more sense?

Yeah, I kinda agree, it does seem a little stacked in the wolves favour otherwise.

[Luco]

That's a well formed rebuttal rong. I actually thought the boog death was throwing us a bone too fwiw, but I have no experience of him as a ww player.

[jackvance]

Today is the same situation as yesterday. We go for a lynch. We can lose if someone goes bananas and fingers a villager. And if we mislynch it's down to 3-2 and we need that selected fingering again as Gabe said, where we pick both.

[jyms]

The boog thing has had me thinking about a less experienced witch team. Possibly people that have only played the last few games or less.

[jyms]

The boog thing has had me thinking about a less experienced witch team. Possibly people that have only played the last few games or less.

But that would put me closer to a daven/Luco connection and not A JKDS/Luco connection

[jackvance]

By my read that made Hoopy a 100% wolf, it also incriminated Pascal.

The wolves will be JKDS/Daven/Pascal.

[rong]

Or pascal/daven or pascal/luco. But if its throwing us a bone, which I think it is, that's not necessarily the case.

[Luco]

Today is the same situation as yesterday. We go for a lynch. We can lose if someone goes bananas and fingers a villager. And if we mislynch it's down to 3-2 and we need that selected fingering again as Gabe said, where we pick both.

Agreed, same format as yesterday. Lynch candidate, plus two fingerers just in case.

[rong]

Fyi my post above was in response to jyms not jv.

[jackvance]

Or pascal/daven or pascal/luco. But if its throwing us a bone, which I think it is, that's not necessarily the case.

can you explain?

[Pascal]

how am i linked to hoopy in anyway?

none of jkds's reasoning against me is as strong as he makes out. he takes facts and fits them to work with what he wants to play. the fact his wagon never quite made it says a lot.

[Luco]

Why did hoopy vote pascal, then jkds?

[jyms]

Why did hoopy vote pascal, then jkds?

Separation. Neither s lynched so being on a wagon doesn't mean a definite villager

[jyms]

can you explain?

Not to speak for him but I'm thinking the boog Lynch was either inexperience or a bone. If inexperience it's pascal /Luco /daven, if it's a bone, JKDS and possibly another experienced or not. The belief is that there were better choices to harm the village at that time.

[rong]

Pretty much what jyms said. I was responding to his comment that boog lynch could be inexperienced wolves and that would mean pascal, luco or daven, but that I don't think it was down to inexperience in which case it doesn't help narrow things down at all as it could be anyone.

[Luco]

and disappeared again.
there are few enough players left and few enough posts in the thread that we should all make the time to do thorough readthroughs. We have about another 60hrs. There has to be info in how people were responding to Hoopy in the thread. I think all that i managed was something like 'should post more', sorry about that - i know that it doesn't help you know that i'm a villager.

Postpone bolding anyone unless you are absolutely convinced. Definitely don't go fingering anyone. Well, that's what i figure makes most sense anyway.

Yeah this, hoopy and gabe's posts will reveal tons now their roles are out there. I'm gonna slow my roll till later in the day.

[Pascal]

gotta pop out for a few hours lads, will be back late this evening

[JKDS]

@Rong:
1) If you say so. I disagree with your reasoning and the end result benefits you if youre a wolf. Its a minor tell, but its still a tell.

2) A boog kill makes sense coming from daven/pascal/hoopy team. Even a pascal/hoopy/rong team. I think the 4 of you all have enough respect for him, and gabe et all havent been the superstars they typically are lately. I see other reasons for a boog kill from the perspectives of other players, and i still dont like this post of yours. Idk what your "look, you guys are just like me" comment is about.

4) That interaction you had is weird. Its like you're in a miniature pissing contest. Thats rare for wolf-wolf. So i dont think you can be wolves with jyms due to that exchange.

5) O.O

6) I think it is when i know im town and I know hoopy was a wolf. It looks like a different attempt to save him. But i mean...you admitted that 5) was reasonable...what wolf does that? Hrmmmmmmm

8) good point, hoopy isnt dumb :/ Hrmmmmm

Other: Jv brought the rule change up. Seconding it doesnt mean anything. JV brought it to into the public's eye, once its there i expect everyone to be on board with it. Its the act of bringing it to light that makes JV towny.

Im strongly favoring daven/pascal now over rong. I rarely see wolves admit wolfy points. Theyre usually super combative and try and dismiss everything...villagers actually care more about if they did something wolfy and are trying to see if it makes sense for others to think that. Still has wolf points, but id much rather see d or p die today.

[JKDS]

@JV: Picking from me, daven, and pascal is fine with me. Even if i go, theres still a really strong chance one of the other two is a wolf. That should put us in good shape. Obv, id rather they go first, but whatever. Im cramped for time so meh.

@luco: Hoopy's death has daven going randomly for gabe somewhere around post 600 (i marked it in my review of him), and hoopy lynching pascal seemingly out of nowhere. If gabe's death was planned, it could be miscommunication and daven attempting to get gabe lynched instead of night killed and then hoopy just performing the nk early by throwing gabe into the lake. Its clumsy, but it makes sense. Daven's been mia a lot, so i can easily see how a miscommunication could occur.

[Luco]

Pascal just seems too detached, where's the analysis?

He put in his 4th as we were discussing how 3-3 loses and it put gabe jyms and jkds in the danger zone.

[Luco]

If pascal is a villager he made a really high risk move with very little info.

If he's a witch then either he endangered one of his own or jkds and jyms are both town.

My 4th for hoopy was after much discussion and consensus, and he turned out to be a witch.

[Luco]

Guys I hope you can see the logic and reasoning in my argument.

I'm slightly panicking now in case I get jumped, so I will be putting out evidence as I find it and thoughts as they occur.

I have been saying Hoopy rong and pascal for some time now. We've proved hoopy, pascal is next. I would like rong, the king of anti-finger sentiment, to explain the rationale and timing of post 278:

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2143279

Should we give him a chance to finger? He has a better chance than most.

HRMMMMMMMM?

[JKDS]

Panicking why? Youre town bro.

rong gets more witchy points. I missed that in my reread o.o

[Luco]

Panicking why? Youre town bro.

rong gets more witchy points. I missed that in my reread o.o

Panicking in case they silence me like they did to gabe

[JKDS]

I have the sudden urge to have rong finger daven/pascal.

[Luco]

jfc this is fun. I've literally lost sleep over this bloody game, some of my posts coming in at 3, 4am.

Need to end this one way or another so I can get my life back

[Luco]

He fed your ego jkds, he subtly suggested to you that you'd hit if you shoved.

[JKDS]

Hrm, yeah no. Fingerings dumb at this point. A massive level with Jyms as a witch or something isnt impossible. Lets do this slow.

@Jyms: Out of Pascal/Daven/Rong, who do you want dead the mostests?
@JV: Same question.

In spite of the above, I still think daven is the best pick right now.

[Luco]

Rong won't look at pascal:

483

Well I think we've made our positions on each other clear rong, so what's your opinion on pascal?

484

I need to review his posts. Can't do that on my phone, will look at him when I get home.

667

I can see only three pairings that even come close to solving this.

Luco / jkds

Pascal / rong

Pascal / daven

Thoughts?

...

672

Luco, looking at your post above, #667, Luco/JKDS I'm obviously all over. Not a fan of pascal/long as I'm not certain pascal is a wolf and if I finger a villager its game over. pascal/daven I'm not sure of. I really need to go over both of their posts, should have done it last night but I'm on a heater at the tables and wanna ride the wave while it lasts. (10k hands, 14bb/100 ftmfw!)

[Luco]

I won't finger, consensus is important.

[JKDS]

Wolves generally go out of their way to talk about their partners when asked for this very reason. Im pretty skeptical of a rong-pascal team now honestly.

[JKDS]

@luco: you're never fingering. fuck that shit. my comment was about forcing some fingering triangle between rong/daven/pascal, but thats stupid. Slow slow slow.

[Luco]

Fair enough. Pascal today ldo.

[rong]

Guys I hope you can see the logic and reasoning in my argument.

I'm slightly panicking now in case I get jumped, so I will be putting out evidence as I find it and thoughts as they occur.

I have been saying Hoopy rong and pascal for some time now. We've proved hoopy, pascal is next. I would like rong, the king of anti-finger sentiment, to explain the rationale and timing of post 278:

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2143279



HRMMMMMMMM?

Read the posts leading up to it, and not just the page it's on, the page before as well, all posts since Wuf changed the rules. It's the continuation of a whole conversation that lots of people are in on discussing whether or not anyone should finger anyone and figuring out what actually happens if a witch fingers another witch.

Both Gabe & Jyms are saying if they start getting lynched they're going to finger someone. At that point we have someone widely considered to be the best player in the game on our site potentially about to be lynched and people stating that if it happens to them they're gonna finger someone.

Then JKDS posts this:

Yes, im smart enough to know that fingering now is bad for the village. However, im also one of the best wolf hunters in this game even if yall never listen to me. (Seriously, ong gets more respect than i do. What up with that!). Id rather gamble on my instincts than on yours, so gimme.

so in that context it makes sense to ask the question that maybe getting JKDS to finger someone is worth considering. And bare in mind that the quote you have of me above is directly after JKDS's post that I quoted above.

Nobody responds to the question, then JV rescinds and the conversation turns on to you (Luco) who is my favoured lynch at that time and the topic is forgotten.

This is not wolfy!!!! Not even a little bit! It's in the context of a larger conversation. But this is exactly the same as what JKDS did, taking things I've said out of the context of the gameplay and conversation of the time and then using it to try and say I look wolfy.

The two of you both doing this just rekindles my gut feeling of the two of you being the last two wolves.

[rong]

I have the sudden urge to have rong finger daven/pascal.

Well after you & Luco digging trough my posts and takig things out of context t use against me I'd quite like to see Luco finger you!

[Luco]

Rekindles?

[rong]

He fed your ego jkds, he subtly suggested to you that you'd hit if you shoved.

I'd just like to state specifically that I've proven this to be complete bollocks with my posts above.

[rong]

Rekindles?

Funny, I got stuck there and couldn't find a word for what I wanted to say and that seemed to work. I didn't like it but I'm tired and it's clear what I'm saying.

[Luco]

This is how we solve the game rong. I still doubt you, I need info. Nothing more.

Am I still your candidate for today?

[Luco]

We have a lot of daylight left

[rong]

Luco, dearest buddy, please shut the fuck up with this bullshit. You are so desperate for me to show wolf that you are finding evidence everywhere you look that just doesn't exist. Again you have done it with the "Rong won't look at pascal" comment. I said I would do it when I got home this evening. I've only just sat down and started getting involved in the thread and the whole of that time I've had to respond to your bullshit arguments so I haven't had a chance to look into pascal yet. You're post is premature, you could possibly make that one once I go to bed this evening if I still haven't mentioned him, but not yet, which proves my point about you finding evidence everywhere you look that doesn't actually exist.

[rong]

This is how we solve the game rong. I still doubt you, I need info. Nothing more.

Well not really Luco, no. Looking through people's posts for evidence is a great plan and vital for the village. But finding snippets of statements that you can throw out there out of context to make someone appear different to how they actually are is not how you solve the game, that's how wolves get villagers lynched. The villagers don't need to take the wolves comments out of context, or anyone else's for that matter, because out of context they don't mean the thing they were intended to mean, can be misconstrued and misrepresented and therefore aren't evidence of anything except the quoter's intentions.

[Luco]

I'm definitely looking for evidence rong, it comes with the job description. You're holding up way better than pascal which is great for you.

If it makes you feel better, I also found this:

Hoopy, daven & pascal make up the bottom 3 posters (by some distance) as I said in my post above. There's always a wolf in there, always. I'm equally meh on all of them.

Bingo?

[Luco]

If nothing else rong, perhaps you can see that I'm just a noob after all?

[jyms]

Hrm, yeah no. Fingerings dumb at this point. A massive level with Jyms as a witch or something isnt impossible. Lets do this slow.

@Jyms: Out of Pascal/Daven/Rong, who do you want dead the mostests?
@JV: Same question.

In spite of the above, I still think daven is the best pick right now.

I would need to really look at this. Right now I have taken a bit of a break. Had my son home sick today so I've been off the computer and reading from my phone.

I have reasons to suspect almost everyone in this game. Right now I'm kind of leaning on a Luco lynch. If not for anything else, I need some quiet time.

[Luco]

Right now I'm kind of leaning on a Luco lynch. If not for anything else, I need some quiet time.

Point taken. Sorry.

[rong]

Posts 41-43. Staged accusations?

pascal looking wolf/witch, gizmo night kill fits with that

gonna finger u in a minute, im not a wolf

or a witch

He then posts a fair few times but there is no content what-so-sever. Then he posts this about Daven after very little else going on between them:

let's at least get a wagon going, maybe that'll get people talking

rescind ong

burn daven

So again possibly staged.

Then more posts, no content. I mean really no content, it's quite impressive.

Then he agrees with me about the towning comment and a possible Luco/JKDS link, so that's some villagery points for him right there

But aside from keeping on with that theory, (possibly a wolf trying to get me onside?) he hasn't said a lot at all. Could definitely be a wolf floating by, the standard signs of that are there and he can be tied to Daven early on, so maybe there's something there too.

Buuuuuut........ I dunno. Something about him just doesn't seem that wolfy to me, not sure what it is. I'm ok with lynching him, he's certainly done nothing to make me think he's a villager, but I'm not exactly sold on him as a wolf either. I stand by my earlier assessment, Meh.

I should look into Daven too, maybe do that tonight, not sure if I'll get the chance. Tat said I doubt there's gonna be much there either.

[Pascal]

back. honestly, i'm just being lazy. i read 100% of posts and i'm taking mental notes but i have a list in my head of what to do and i'm waiting to see what the village wants to do. i've said my bit plenty of times about luco/jkds. i was interested to see what happened when i was gone and by the looks of things luco instantly used it as an opportunity to push for my lynch. as soon as i said brb he posted THREE panicked posts in a row, all trying to get a wagon started on me. he then used another opportunity to have a go at me by suggesting me and rong were both witches, then said me again, and then when he realised he wasn't getting anywhere pointed out we had a lot of daylight left - sick switch bro. tbh it's exactly what i was expecting to happen, luco is pushing my lynch cos i'm a villager and he's a witchy

[Pascal]

the difference to other games is probably that i'm wayyyy more relaxed because i finally didn't draw witch, just take a look back through my other games and take a look at the difference between posts and this and i'm sure you'll see it's way too different for me to make such a big change while still playing exactly the same role

[Pascal]

so now i've proved im a villager can we lynch luco?

[Pascal]

just getting on with some uni work so will be about for next couple of hours at least if anyone wants to chattttttttttttt

[rong]

You do make some reasonable points there pascal and I am a little excited at the though of lynching Luco. I would love to lynch luco, find a wolf and then for JKDS to be the last one, even if the lycnhing of Luco has him fingering me as his last action of the game. But if we do lynch him and he turns up wolf and I get fingered, please for the love of god lynch JKDS next.

[Pascal]

i think our next two should be luco and jkds. i think luco has played well, a little too well for his own good if he's a villager, but he's said some strange things, made some obvious mistakes (i'm counting him going after me as soon as i said brb there as it was exactly what i expected if he was a witch, plus the language thing, and being vague) plus he's made the mistake of concentrating his lynch efforts on me and im a villager so gl there

when i have a break im going to go through the thread and see if anyone else has agreed with him on me and tried to get a wagon going, that would be pretty damning for me

[Luco]

I'll watch for a while. Been far too noisy. fwiw pascal I never bolded you and there's no way we're lynching this early so you can cut that bullshit out. I'm posting as I go, that much should be crystal clear. Feel free to try and rinse me for a bit, you got nothing. My only crime here is trying too hard.

I would like to play this again so I'll calm down for jyms' sanity and my own.

Lynch me and it will go 3-2 so have a backup plan for when I flip villager.

[Pascal]

I'll watch for a while. Been far too noisy. fwiw pascal I never bolded you and there's no way we're lynching this early so you can cut that bullshit out.

Guys I hope you can see the logic and reasoning in my argument.

I'm slightly panicking now in case I get jumped, so I will be putting out evidence as I find it and thoughts as they occur.

I have been saying Hoopy rong and pascal for some time now. We've proved hoopy, pascal is next.

Fair enough. Pascal today ldo.

you're always welcome in the next game, fun playing with you man

[jyms]

Ya I would honestly like time to weigh all this. I haven't had my computer all day and I just can't look back easily on my phone. I think we have 3 camps right now.

Likely villagers,
witchy team one
and witchy team two.

Depending on who you are you will have different thoughts on who is who
.
And if we can find one witch we find the other. Maybe we should put this on paper. Who do you guys see as most likely villagers and most likely witch pairs? Why?

[Luco]

you're always welcome in the next game, fun playing with you man

You too. Maybe next game I won't be such an insufferable git. Getting too attached to this one.

[Pascal]

everyone has different styles, just do what seems natural. if people don't like it then use it to your advantage - you can rile them up and make them slip up

[Luco]

My post-hoopy villagers:

Jv - goes for hoopy early, repeatedly, consistently. Lock.

Jyms - happily went for hoopy. His writing style has been the hardest for me to decipher and see what's underneath, but if you read the whole thread it all looks like a villager on the hunt. He's firing off in all directions and making lots of observations. Villager.

Jkds - look at when the wagon was rolling on him. Hoopy mentions jkds a few times but completely ignores me. His silence on me was so noticeable I called him out on it. Twice. If jkds is witch this wouldn't have happened. Villager.

That leaves me, daven, rong, pascal.

[Luco]

but letting the village lynch a villager is not good for the village.

getting lynched leaves the village at 4-3. fingering gives a shot for the village to be 5-2 at the risk of being 3-3. i plan on going out with a fingerbang if it comes to it

I actually do too. I think I have a good read enough to help us gain some ground

Best to share it with the village, any little thing will help right now.

I'd finger Luco for reasons stated

I'd be ok with a JKDS, jyms or daven lynch today.

.

[Pascal]

WASSSSSSSSSSUPPPPPPPPPPPPP

[Pascal]

NO ONE HERE?

[jyms]

Having a bit of a family Saturday. I don't have much to contribute until I get to look back. I hope to do some reading tonight before I play more HUSnGs.

[daven]

NO ONE HERE?

you;'re allowed to do some hunting, and that doesn't require anyone else being online. Unless you're scared to post without putting it past your teammate first...

[Pascal]

tell me what to post daven

[daven]

tell me what to post daven

list all the players left and what you think their roles are
i mean, seriously, the more you keep posting zerocontent and refusing to try and hunt witches, the more i want to lynch you

are you a witch?

[daven]

i've done a readthrough focusing on JKDS

the main thing i got out of it is re Jackvance, not JKDS. JV is playing an incredible game if he's a witch. I'm almost ready to call him lock-villager (ja, i know, everyone else locked him in hundreds of posts ago)

anyway, here's a copy paste of my readthrough re JKDS
he's pretty likely witch.
Pascal is looking sketchy as
[JKDS/Luco] is still possible

JKDS - posts 6-10 = air, but by the end of them there are two votes on ong (confirmed villager)
post 31 = insta pile the 2nd vote on ong early on day 2
post 33 = telling people that fingering is awesome, but it obviously isn't awesome for the village
post 34 = air
post 39 = pascal makes a sound comment = don't rush the day guys, jkds bolds pascal
post 40 = air
post 75 = boog/bikes both unlikely witches, ong afk unlikely witch, random lynch vote for me
post 81 = air asking pascal 'witch or village?'
post 82 = come lynch daven with me, states that i'm getting buddying, doesn't say who from or how
post 93 = if we kill inactives, do it sooner than later. But prefer not to.
post 95 = cheers pascal, thanks for joining the daven wagon
post 113 = air
post 114 = asks why i think that the gizmo gill provides info, AFTER i had posted (post 96) my reasons for this claim, also
= doesn't like me putting heat on luco. Why is putting some heat on an active noob bad?

post 115 = gabe bolds jkds, suggests one of pascal/jkds/luco, reiterates this in post 136
post 143 = gabe making case against JKDS

post 146 = air defence, attacking gabe
post 150 = (rong's) coaching theory is stupid

post 151 = gabe attacking jkds again, bolds (1)

post 154 = more defence vs gabe

post 155 = jyms jumps onto the jkds wagon (2)

post 159 = calls out jyms on night 1 snap decision
post 160 = other werewolf sites
post 161 = suggests jyms/me witch team based on ??? didn't make sense to me

post 163 = gabe pointing out that jkds and luco are posting heaps and ignoring each other. All luco said about JKDs wagon is 'let's see where this goes'

post 165 = votes to burn jyms, based on fluff posts from jyms
post 166 = more exchange with gabe

post 168 = set night kill list is a ridiculous theory, solid attack on jyms as a result

post 171 = jackvance bolds jkds (3)

post 176, 177 = attacking jyms, responding to JV, attacking jyms
post 179 = more attack jyms, more again in post 181


post 182 from Hoopy = 3 votes on jkds, might want to slow the votes down.

post 270 = pascal bolds JKDs (4)

post 277 = ask accusers to articulate their reasoning for bolding him. Threatens fingering. Claims to be one of the bets wolf hunters in the game. DOESN"T GO THROUGH WITH FINGERING.

post 279, 280. Ignores rong's suggestion that we let him finger (278) and instead starts with some diversion tactics.

282, 283 = weak defence, yet another threat to use the finger

post 284 - JV rescinds JKDS (3)

post 292 = why does coaching theory incriminate JKDS?
post 293 = it incriminates luco, not him

post 299 = diversion defence on the 'town' terminology attacks = good way to get people to forget the other attacks on him?
post 300 = gabe asks JKDS who he would finger

post 301 = empty threat to finger gabe
post 306 = more angry defence on the 'town'/coaching theory
post 309 = facepalm jpg

post 313 = gabe stating that the town/coaching theory wasn't part of his case against jkds

post 315 = more 'town' diversion defence
post 319 = states that gabe's case is 'buzz words', but see gabe's post 313
= repeats 'jyms likely wolf' argument

post 327 = can switch to me, prefers voting jyms, can see hoopy as wolf but won't look into it cos 'lazy' - 'best wolf hunters in the game' vs too lazy to hunt?


post 347 = i'm busy
post 348 = yep, i had answered JKDs' questions. he'll think about post 'later'

post 360 from hoopy = 'i'd be ok with a JKDS/jyms/daven lynch today'

post 378 = unvote, need to think

post 381 from Jyms re the jkds wagon = everyone should read this post and at least think on it. It's the only real evidence for JKDS = villager, i'm not necessarily convinced by it, but it's solid. I also think this makes jyms highly likely villager, I went after him a bit later on and he didn't scream wolf then either

post 384 = 'hmmmmmmm very interesting.'

post 418 = gabe saying JKDS or hoopy, but jkds probably a better lynch

post 440 = busy cos law, four suspects are jyms/daven/gabe/hoopy
post 442 = retracts fingering threat


noteworthy sidetrack
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post 457 = luco putting third vote on hoopy, 'going to bed'

my post 461 = hoopy and jkds are my best best for witches right now

post 463 = weird vote for JKDS from hoopy
post 473 = from luco, setup post to move vote away from hoopy


post 560 from JV = hoopy is a witch i'm sure

post 567 from gabe = lynch jkds and have hoopy finger daven tomorrow. Witches hate this cos they know i'll then finger hoopy and we kill a witch and i'm confirmed villager.
post 568 = gabe vote hoopy, (3rd vote) changes finger plan to jkds/me

post 579 from gabe = hoopy/jkds/me is making sense
post 599/600 luco/gabe = yep, consensus is hoopy. Luco claims ready to switch vote to hoopy. Gabe says, yep, but lets work on fingerteams first

post 623 = luco votes hoopy (4th vote) - makes luco look pretty villager UNLESS already agreed witch plan to sacrifice hoopy by fingering and aware this vote would gain luco huge cred


post 631 = day over, hoopy comes out of the coven
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back to jkds
post 638 = catching up now
post 662 = long post per player

states jv and luco lock villagers. JV is lock so this is solid claim. Luco claim is weak, particularly the last couple of points
Jyms read through, sounds fair

identifies 3 players (rong/pascal/me) as Witch! doesn't acknowledge this is ridiculous because only two witches left.
gets a hardon about me going after gabe, ignores that i've stated earlier that JKDS/Hoopy are my most likely witches


post 663 = votes to lynch me, volunteers as sacrifice

post 685 from JV = I respect JV a lot (he shot gizmo last game, one of the two mvp actions in that game), he's accused me in this post, along wtih JKDS/Pascal.

post 697 = defence vs rong's post. Nice post imo
post 698 = repeats earlier attack on me re my comments on gabe and then the gabe fingerkill

post 702 = why are you panicking luco? rong gets more witchy points
post 704 = suggesting rong finger me or pascal
post 707 = no, don't finger. Asks jyms = who out of pascal/daven/rong, aamd for JV. me still best pick for now

post 710/711 = rong-pascal team unlikely, luco, don't finger

[jackvance]

We kill Pascal today and JKDS tomorrow, if that doesn't give us the win then look at Daven and possibly, for rong's benefit, Luco.

[jyms]

I still like Luco over JKDS but I would like some time to weigh all that. I'd also be willing to let pascal bring a case against Luco, jkds or daven

[daven]

merit in doing a readthrough on jyms too...

[jyms]

Absolutely