*** Witch Hunt: Village of Souls gameplay thread ***

[gabe]

shit is about to get real on this new page

[Pascal]

if i get eaten tonight by witches go after luco tomorrow please

also fine with hoopy, hasn't added anything to the thread

[Luco]

Dear god I would love to finger someone. It gives me a chubby just thinking about it.

[rong]

Where the fuck is JKDS?

[daven]

i'm back
had a quick skimthrough
i like the idea of identifying players who cannot be villagers together
i started doing the same for witches, i.e. player x and player y cannot both be witches, but that didn't/doesn't discount the possibility that both players are villagers
obviously no bolding tomorrow if we don't hit a witch with our lynch today
re fingering, I think we can formulate a plan on that front that we agree to run with if we don't hit a witch today. Downside i can think of is that we have the opportunity to do a readthrough armed with extra info given by the role of whoever we lynch. Like, if we lynch someone like JKDS and he flips village then that puts a whole new spin on his wagon vs if he flips witch. I'm trying to figure out the best plan if i'm the fingering target, meaning that if it's agreed that say JKDS is to finger me then should i simply finger him? cos if he's witch then we both end up dead if he fingers me, but if i finger him then we end up with me as a confirmed live villager and him as a dead witch. So, yep, i like identifying the two most likely witches and having them finger each other tomorrow. But I think we should do that tomorrow. If you're villager and one of the agreed targets then it makes sense to point that finger fast - we're better to end up with a 1-0 gain from the situation vs a 1-1 stalemate.
I'm in town and have time again for the next three days - that's likely enough time for this game to be done-and-dusted, i had another out-of-town meeting last night hence disappearing again.

[daven]

shit is about to get real on this new page

this. Gabe, i posted a quote from one of your posts quite a few pages back asking for an explanation from you. I haven't seen a response. I'll post it again shortly.

[daven]

I bet villagers don't care if its bikes or luco

witches should try to act like they won't emergency finger someone when they are getting walked to the gallows. witches have no need to emergency finger someone obv but they might use that sentiment to convince villagers not to vote for them

this post, (#107) just after you had pretty much identified bikes as lock-witch. Just doesn't seem like something you'd be saying as a villager "bet villagers don't care" etc, then advice to witches on how they should behave

You've had no heat this game, kinda like me in the last game. I'm going to go and find me some lock-villagers and some witches to burn.
Right now i trust none of you

[jyms]

i'm back
had a quick skimthrough
i like the idea of identifying players who cannot be villagers together
i started doing the same for witches, i.e. player x and player y cannot both be witches, but that didn't/doesn't discount the possibility that both players are villagers
obviously no bolding tomorrow if we don't hit a witch with our lynch today
re fingering, I think we can formulate a plan on that front that we agree to run with if we don't hit a witch today. Downside i can think of is that we have the opportunity to do a readthrough armed with extra info given by the role of whoever we lynch. Like, if we lynch someone like JKDS and he flips village then that puts a whole new spin on his wagon vs if he flips witch. I'm trying to figure out the best plan if i'm the fingering target, meaning that if it's agreed that say JKDS is to finger me then should i simply finger him? cos if he's witch then we both end up dead if he fingers me, but if i finger him then we end up with me as a confirmed live villager and him as a dead witch. So, yep, i like identifying the two most likely witches and having them finger each other tomorrow. But I think we should do that tomorrow. If you're villager and one of the agreed targets then it makes sense to point that finger fast - we're better to end up with a 1-0 gain from the situation vs a 1-1 stalemate.
I'm in town and have time again for the next three days - that's likely enough time for this game to be done-and-dusted, i had another out-of-town meeting last night hence disappearing again.

yes this. Absolutely if you're a villager don't wait to be fingered by the witch.

[daven]

those fingerings on the first two days were pretty gross for the village, especially the second one which was just wtf?! there has to be something in the nightkills, we don't have a lot more to go on than that, the JKDS wagon, and the various rhetoric regarding fingering at early stages of the game. Who would kill gizmo first, boog second. Boog kill doesn't actually make a whole lot of sense to me, he's inactive and could probably have been an easy wagon to get moving.

The Dead

Day 1: Keith drowned in Lake of Souls by TLR - doesn't help us
Day 1: TLR drowns self in Lake of Souls - doesn't help us
Night 1: Gizmo poisoned by Witches -
Day 2: Ong drowned in Lake of Souls by Bikes - doesn't help us
Day 2: Bikes drowns self in Lake of Souls - doesn't help us
Night 2: Boog poisoned by Witches

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so, things to look closely at (trying to identify a spot where two players CANNOT be villagers together, and obviously to lock-villagers and hunt wolves).

1 - who has been saying what about fingering?
2 - who has been ignoring questions?
3 - what happened on the JKDS wagon?
4 - why were gizmo and boog nightkilled?
5 - who has changed their tune (votes/whatever) without providing any explanation?

[Luco]

So just to be clear, we don't finger tomorrow if it goes 5-2?

[Luco]

I would prefer a lynch target tonight that resolves the coaching theory.

[daven]

those fingerings on the first two days were pretty gross for the village, especially the second one which was just wtf?! there has to be something in the nightkills, we don't have a lot more to go on than that, the JKDS wagon, and the various rhetoric regarding fingering at early stages of the game. Who would kill gizmo first, boog second. Boog kill doesn't actually make a whole lot of sense to me, he's inactive and could probably have been an easy wagon to get moving.

The Dead
Day 1: Keith drowned in Lake of Souls by TLR - doesn't help us
Day 1: TLR drowns self in Lake of Souls - doesn't help us
Night 1: Gizmo poisoned by Witches -
Day 2: Ong drowned in Lake of Souls by Bikes - doesn't help us
Day 2: Bikes drowns self in Lake of Souls - doesn't help us
Night 2: Boog poisoned by Witches

----------------
so, things to look closely at (trying to identify a spot where two players CANNOT be villagers together, and obviously to lock-villagers and hunt wolves).

1 - who has been saying what about fingering?
2 - who has been ignoring questions?
3 - what happened on the JKDS wagon?
4 - why were gizmo and boog nightkilled?
5 - who has changed their tune (votes/whatever) without providing any explanation?

[daven]

I would prefer a lynch target tonight that resolves the coaching theory.

coaching theory is that you are witch and being coached. I'm pretty sure you get that, so is this a subtle 'i'll take one for the team' thing to encourage any subconscious 'luco must be village' type of ideas people may have germinating away? Only resolution of this theory comes from lynching you, and i'm not sure that you are the best lynch target today.

[Luco]

Wrong. Lynching pascal would do it too.

I'm having real trouble with rong. The observation that he made implies a level of thought that makes him more likely villager than witch.

[daven]

my gut feeling right now on the players we have left

The Living

hoopy - post more!
pascal - post some content. Hunt some witches.
jkds - disappeared.
jyms - tending witch, close
rong - luco's role should clear this up
daven - quiet game, should be easy to arouse suspicion about me based on this, and the witches can see that. Who has been throwing me into the witch-mix without providing any rationale
jv - tending villager, but has been pretty light on content except for a few pearls of 'advice'
gabe - tending witch, seems to have been choosing a train of thought e.g. rule change, and then chewing it to death. Rather than doing much actual hunting.
luco - tending villager, but too much defence, not enough offence. Find some witches. Or at least find a case for two players being unable to be villagers together.

fuck, my gut doesn't seem to know shit.

[daven]

Wrong. Lynching pascal would do it too.

I'm having real trouble with rong. The observation that he made implies a level of thought that makes him more likely villager than witch.

why re pascal? it wouldn't prove a theory re coaching. I agree it's unlikely that he is witch if you end up flipping witch. Is that what you mean? if we lynch either of you and you flip villager it doesn't mean that we have a lock-witch afterwards.

[Luco]

Look at his clumsy handling of his attack on me.

[daven]

Look at his clumsy handling of his attack on me.

i see what you mean. Doesn't prove coaching either way though.

I doubt that he's a witch if you flip witch. The other possibilities (i.e. you flip village, he flips witch, he flips village) all seem to leave uncertainty. You could both be villagers for example.

Remember that we're playing with incomplete information, we're going to make accusations that are incorrect. Only the witches know roles for sure, and they are aware that they should probably self-accuse occasionally too.

[Luco]

i see what you mean. Doesn't prove coaching either way though.

I doubt that he's a witch if you flip witch. The other possibilities (i.e. you flip village, he flips witch, he flips village) all seem to leave uncertainty. You could both be villagers for example.

Remember that we're playing with incomplete information, we're going to make accusations that are incorrect. Only the witches know roles for sure, and they are aware that they should probably self-accuse occasionally too.

Thanks. I'm pushing for a lynch that gives the most info, but I'm now feeling a bit selfish.

[gabe]

this post, (#107) just after you had pretty much identified bikes as lock-witch. Just doesn't seem like something you'd be saying as a villager "bet villagers don't care" etc, then advice to witches on how they should behave

i never implied anything like i thought bikes was a witch lock. in my mind the only lock was him being a good of a lynch as anyone else, which explains my response to your 2nd sentence.

gabe - tending witch, seems to have been choosing a train of thought e.g. rule change, and then chewing it to death. Rather than doing much actual hunting.

my rule change argument is legit btw. i still dont see this being addressed. there is a chance we go from 4-1 to 1-1 or 5-2 to 2-2, what does that mean? i dont like that it is an autoloss given the these rules were set and no win condition was posted. also given the fact the assumed win condition is different than the standard set of rules for mafia/werewolf on wikipedia. using my rule arguing against me is very very very weak.

combined this with the fact you say im not hunting makes me pretty happy ive had you on my 3[] list. ive been hustling hard for the village trying to get everyone on the same page. im trying to design a plan where everyone is forced to act in the village's best interest which maybe ive spent more brain power on than actual personal hunting

[gabe]

[hoopy daven jkds]

could be [hoopy pascal luco] if jkds makes some stunning post later i guess....

[rong]

When does this day end?

[Luco]

When does this day end?

rescind pascal, lynch hoopy

Soon.

[jyms]

Daven's last few posts and view of the village dynamic just moved him up past pascal on my list of witches

[daven]

Thanks. I'm pushing for a lynch that gives the most info, but I'm now feeling a bit selfish.

i want to tag a witch. If stuck between two most likely candidates i'll use the 'most info' thing as a tiebreaker. Have to be careful not to get sidetracked. If most info searching results in less witch-hunting then we're playing into the hands of hte witches.

[Luco]

rescind pascal, lynch hoopy

Soon.

Edit: ffs internet dying. going to bed.

[Pascal]

Wrong. Lynching pascal would do it too.

I'm having real trouble with rong. The observation that he made implies a level of thought that makes him more likely villager than witch.

you're saying i'm coaching you and so we should lynch me? confused

[daven]

[hoopy daven jkds]

could be [hoopy pascal luco] if jkds makes some stunning post later i guess....

why do i disappear from your list if jkds makes a great post? sloppy.

[Pascal]

daven, i'm just waiting for more information. my shortlist of 3 is set and 2 of them have been set for a while, nothing has changed that. let's lynch one of them and move on using that info

[rong]

Rescind that bold luco. Even if you stick on hoopy let's wait for JKDS's thoughts before we finish the day in case he has something useful to add.

[Hoopy]

So you guys think I'm a witch?

What gave it away? The hat, black cat or large bubbling cauldron?

shit is about to get real on this new page

Indeed it is!

I have found a witch! Throw gabe into the Lake of Souls!

[daven]

Daven's last few posts and view of the village dynamic just moved him up past pascal on my list of witches

fair enough, more detail please? i think i have been the first to point out that if you're villager and one of the two sacrificial fingerers then you should strike first.
I haven't posted much on the village dynamic, i'm working my way through that. I posted my gut feeling on it, including that you feel (no mroe than that yet) witchy to me. This is my first time hunting witches, it's fun.
I still don't think you and jkds can be witches together, i'm still trying to figure out if you can be villagers together

[wufwugy]

1v1 with fingering is merely a race to the finish i.e. whoever sees the thread first wins. The game ending on that is silly. This means that allowing fingering at 2v2 or 3v3 can only result in a village win at 1v1

We have always played on this forum where a tie ratio means the baddies win. I figure it's less irritating for everybody to just keep it that way. I didn't post full rules because mods never do, and I assumed I would only post the specific changes from normal

If everybody wants to have a Day phase if it's a tie ratio, I'm fine with that, but it looks to me that most players are uninterested in that

Besides, baddies are always tougher than villagers, so when the ratio is tied, they win. The reason wolves never kill all the villagers automatically is because they're outnumbered, but when it's something like 3 wolves vs 3 villagers, the village has no lynching power since, in the fantasy, the wolves would just attack and kill the villagers. They have to be sneaky when they're outnumbered, but not when they're at equal numbers. At tie ratio, villagers don't even have the manpower to kill beings with superpowers. Fingering isn't a superpower, but a witch hunt. One villager says "I found a witch" and the rest of the village says "okay" and that person gets thrown in the lake to see if he floats or something

[wufwugy]

Just saw Hoopy's post, no more posting

[Luco]

edit: just saw, sorry

[wufwugy]

The Living

pascal
jkds
jyms
rong
daven
jv
luco

The Dead

Day 1: Keith drowned in Lake of Souls by TLR
Day 1: TLR drowns self in Lake of Souls
Night 1: Gizmo poisoned by Witches
Day 2: Ong drowned in Lake of Souls by Bikes
Day 2: Bikes drowns self in Lake of Souls
Night 2: Boog poisoned by Witches
Day 3: Gabe drowned in Lake of Souls by Hoopy
Day 3: Hoopy is pulled into the Lake of Souls by Gabe. The last thing he hears is "I knew it was you"

The Roles

5 Villagers
2 Witches

There is no Night phase since Hoopy is a Witch. It is Day 4, which will end on Monday at 12:00 PM PST. 4 votes to lynch!

[jyms]

Well played. Hmm Luco and jkds then?

[JKDS]

I fought the law and the...law won! (No it didnt, i kicked its ass).

Catching up. Doing game review now. Ill have a big ass post in a few hours assuming fopturreevers is still stable.

[jyms]

Ok so no bonding. We need to talk strat. A random finger still screws us. If we have two possible witches and force them to finger we could pull this out. Right now I am liking the jkds/Luco combo. But my mind can be changed. I think it's very possible that the Luco bold before the hoopy snap finger reeks of a timing tell.

[jyms]

Also magically Jkds has shown up.

[daven]

Also magically Jkds has shown up.

and disappeared again.
there are few enough players left and few enough posts in the thread that we should all make the time to do thorough readthroughs. We have about another 60hrs. There has to be info in how people were responding to Hoopy in the thread. I think all that i managed was something like 'should post more', sorry about that - i know that it doesn't help you know that i'm a villager.

Postpone bolding anyone unless you are absolutely convinced. Definitely don't go fingering anyone. Well, that's what i figure makes most sense anyway.

[Luco]

Jyms, both you and jkds are lock villagers. I've looked over my hoopy rong pascal evidence and the only thing I got wrong was the jkds lynch - they never intended a 5th vote! They wanted him to finger you and auto win the game.

It's all there, it explains everything. Jv's rescind saved us all.

Get your fingers out.

The only reason I'm not fingering is because I'm on my smartphone.

[daven]

Jyms, both you and jkds are lock villagers. I've looked over my hoopy rong pascal evidence and the only thing I got wrong was the jkds lynch - they never intended a 5th vote! They wanted him to finger you and auto win the game.

It's all there, it explains everything. Jv's rescind saved us all.

Get your fingers out.

this post has me tending even more towards you being a villager luco. As i said earlier, i was/am pretty sure JKDS/Jyms aren't witches together, but hadn't figured out if they could be villagers together.

[daven]

i'm not ready to give anyone lock-villager status yet though...

[Luco]

It's a lot easier to picture it from my perspective for sure. Read through, review, please.

[daven]

It's a lot easier to picture it from my perspective for sure. Read through, review, please.

16-tables...
it's on my to-do list though

[jyms]

I'm not Fingering anyone unless I'm a possible lynch. We know how this goes down. If your gonna get lynched then you can finger. Right now I don't see a need.

The keys are in the hoopy lynching and the jkds BW I think

[daven]

I'm not Fingering anyone unless I'm a possible lynch. We know how this goes down. If your gonna get lynched then you can finger. Right now I don't see a need.

The keys are in the hoopy lynching and the jkds BW I think

given the situation we are in now, can you explain how this would be good for the village?

[jyms]

It's not. I'm just being an ass.

[Luco]

Don't finger then, just follow luco:

lynch rong

Review the evidence guys.

[jyms]

I'm seriously considering a Luco Lynch myself. I think the whole hoopy/jkds/Luco thing was a poorly contrived idea at the end with Luco bolding hoopy and hoopy falling on the sword to take out what they think is the best villager

[Luco]

Hoopy was my weakest link. Now he's confirmed it all slides into place.

[daven]

I'm seriously considering a Luco Lynch myself. I think the whole hoopy/jkds/Luco thing was a poorly contrived idea at the end with Luco bolding hoopy and hoopy falling on the sword to take out what they think is the best villager

that's ok, i'm seriously considering [Jyms/Rong] among the likely scenarios, along with quite a few others.

[daven]

I'm seriously considering a Luco Lynch myself. I think the whole hoopy/jkds/Luco thing was a poorly contrived idea at the end with Luco bolding hoopy and hoopy falling on the sword to take out what they think is the best villager

they could have also let Hoopy get lynched and then night-killed gabe. Same result. I think their reasons are clearly different than what you propose. What were the real reasons?

[jyms]

They wanted to stop the conversations about the fingering. They achieved the same thing but stopped Gabe from finishing the conversation about the other two.

[Luco]

that's ok, i'm seriously considering [Jyms/Rong] among the likely scenarios, along with quite a few others.

Daven, jyms is highly unlikely to be witch. The dynamics of the finger mechanic make it very hard for a witch to lead a charge like that.

[daven]

Daven, jyms is highly unlikely to be witch. The dynamics of the finger mechanic make it very hard for a witch to lead a charge like that.

what do you make of jyms' threat to finger given that we are 5-2 and this would obviously be bad for the village? and his insta-response 'i was just being an ass'

[jyms]

I was still on the same page as before gabe was killed. I still of the mindset that we were going ahead but ya, it's 5-2 so not necessary now

[daven]

The Missing in Action?

pascal
jkds
jyms
rong
daven
jv
luco

[Luco]

With hoopy confirmed, the timing of rong's attack on me is pretty incriminating. Does he still think I'm a better pick than hoopy?

[rong]

Just woke up. I'm kind of happy with the way that played out. I've been meh on hoopy as stated, so I'm glad he's dealt with and I was also starting to doubt gabe as I thought he was sucking up to me towards the end with posts like this after we argued a bit:

also the more i think about it, its harder for rong to be a witch with this post

And that quote is also for you luco. If I'm a wolf with hoopy why would I agree to gabe when he posted that about me? And your other lock villagers, jv & jyms, both think I'm a villager. So please rescind your bold whole we work out our strategy.

[JKDS]

IM HERE. SHIT JUST GOT REAL.

First, yeah sorry. Wednesdays are heavy work days, Thursdays are filled with class...and 14 pages is a TOUGH reread.

OK OK OK OK OK

First

Jackvance: Lock villager
-Argued for the rule change. +++VP (villager points)
-lists hoopy first in a wolf list EARLY +VP
-keeps listing him as a wolf, see p167, p210, p343 (hoopy has no heat) +VP
-rescinds me when im at 4. Witches dont rescind when someone is at 4. They just dont. +++++VP

Luco: Lock Villager
-Starts the game with "ARRRRROOOOOOOOO".....yeah....+VP. Luco seems very trolly and smart, but still. Wolves just dont. Even if lucowolf did, he wouldnt do it his first game due to pressure. This is a town tell.
-Hoopy ATTACKS the arrooooo! p20 +++VP
-Refutes daven's attack, but isnt convinced daven is a wolf after. +vp
-Cannot be wolves with jyms due to p130 +VP
-Cannot be wolves with rong p133 +VP
-Asks hoopy for his opinion of himself. p188 What wolf pressures another wolf like that? +++++VP
-Does name hoopy a villager in p359...but he also calls gabe a witch. If gabe was a planned kill, (hoopy was first to talk about lists), then this is +VP. Meh on this point honestly. Still, massive lock villager.

Jyms: Spoilers in white Villager!!!
-Hes got a lot of shit against him. Joke posts, timing during the n1 thing (both right before and right after), echo's hoopy's kill list idea (1st hoopy, then jyms, then JV and only them iirc), says witches are likely experienced this time, lots of fence sitting. ++WP (witch points)
-Hoopy makes a post on p85 highlighting boog, bikes, ong, jv, and jyms, and wolves rarely make a list of ONLY villagers. Boogs, bikes and ong are dead villagers. JV is almost always a villager. So that is +WP
-But.....BUT BUT BUT
-p24 is SUPER villagery sounding. Hes concerned about villager-villager infighting. Yeah, thats town. +++VP
-Hoopy tells the village to slow down as im throwing a hissy fit at jyms. +++VP (wolf encouraging another wolf's assault? no way)
-That whole "Rong and Hoopy are witches" post on 380ish. +++++VP. its really out of nowhere.
-I like luco's idea that the wolves were banking on me fingering jyms. +VP

^^There are many things that suggest wolf...but hoopy's flip ultimately kills it. Hes villager too.

That leaves pascal, rong, and daven.

Pascal: Witch!
-Lack of serious content throughout +WP
-Threatens to finger me after a single vote. Pressured much? +WP
-Votes for ong for almost no reason. +WP
-Is VERY quick to respond to accusations regarding being inactive...but his activity is mostly just this. +WP
-Hoopy called Luco a villager in p126 kinda randomly. Pascal follows this up almost equally as randomly. +WP
-Pascal tries to discredit gabe's town tell in p137 +WP (He fears the gabe!)
-4th vote on my wagon, and sets up a jyms lynch if hes wrong! p270 +++WP
-Consistently pushing me or jyms p367. Not HOOPY. +++WP
-Luco gives him some crap, so he responds with "time for your daily coaching" echoing rong's accustaions. this is clinging to old arguments and not trying to think through things. p389, +WP
-Hoopy votes pascal. +_P? Idk what to make of this. Seems like a level, becasue pascal was getting heat and so was hoopy. This is a good spot to distance.

Rong: Witch!!
-Is afraid of fingers. +WP
-Boog kill was 'throwing us a bone'. Idk, I Pascal and Daven both respect boog. They could have legitametly feared him, and it wasnt a mercy kill at all. This is a weird post from rong. +WP
-NOT wolves with luco (+VP for luco) due to the luco-jkds thing.
-NOT wolve with jyms (+VP for jyms) due to p200.
-Tries to hurt hoopy's heat when gabe goes after him. ++WP
-fishing for daven's thoughts on me in p247, to revive my wagon maybe? +WP
-Pushes me over hoopy in p451 +WP
-Hoopy's death posts lists villagers as Gabe, rong, jv. 1's dead, 1s a lock villager, and the other is wolfy b/c wolves want to cover their friends as villagers. +WP
-Luco's case is pretty appealing actually. +++WP

Daven: Witch!
-Like, NO content. Worse than pascal. I can totally see a pascal-daven wolf team with hoopy as we just jerk ourselves around all day. ++WP
-Excuses his play immediately in his first post. +WP
-Hoopy "attacks" him in p86. This attack goes nowhere, has no follow up, and wasnt even really threatening imo. Cover, but i wont give WP.
-Fence sitting a lot, not bolding very much. Noncommittal tendencies, feeling things out.
-"Im Village" seemingly out of nowhere after he has to take a break. He wasnt getting heat except from me iirc. Thats wierd. +WP
-Isnt wolves with Jyms. p340 (+VP for jyms)
-Hoopy is dying, but daven goes after gabe!!! p607! +WP
-Says "Hoopy: Post more!" in p615. IE HOOPY SAVE YOURSELF!!! ++++++WP

Im super happy with ANY of these three killing each other. We can do it slow with lynches, or finger bang all quick like. 2 misses and we lose either way, but the last two are within these 3 every time. THere is simply no way JV, luco, or Jyms are wolves at this point...and the other three have a shit tone of incriminating evidence against them.

Im favoring a daven death myself. I wanna test this pascal-daven limper team.

[JKDS]

lynch daven

I can switch to rong or pascal super easy. Im gonna sleep now, should be able to post a bunch this morning, but ill be sexing this weekend so its really gonna slow down.

If theres still ppl on me, whatever. I wont finger. Theyre in this group of three, and its only good if they do it. If I need to die so ppl see that then thats ok too.

[Luco]

Just woke up. I'm kind of happy with the way that played out. I've been meh on hoopy as stated, so I'm glad he's dealt with and I was also starting to doubt gabe as I thought he was sucking up to me towards the end with posts like this after we argued a bit:



And that quote is also for you luco. If I'm a wolf with hoopy why would I agree to gabe when he posted that about me? And your other lock villagers, jv & jyms, both think I'm a villager. So please rescind your bold whole we work out our strategy.

My strategy right now revolves around seeing if you float

[Luco]

Rong, I'd bet the farm on pascal right now but daven hasn't done enough to lock himself. If it's not you, it's him. You have a lot of questions to answer right now.

[Luco]

Gabe (confirmed villager) stated I'm 'v v likely to be vilager'. Why can't you see it or even consider it? Why are you pushing this coaching so damn hard if you're village?

If you're not a witch, why did you attack me just as we started looking at hoopy?

You have some other things working in your favour so I'm happy to lynch pascal today while you and daven fight it out.

[Luco]

I can see only three pairings that even come close to solving this.

Luco / jkds

Pascal / rong

Pascal / daven

Thoughts?

There are two reasons I put in the 4th for hoopy. One of those is rong and the other is I trusted my reads in Gabe & JV who both said he was acting unusual. This isn't something I would have picked up on myself and his low post content gave me very little, but my head was all over the place yesterday and I eventually decided that I had to start trusting gabe & jack and stick with it or I'd never solve this.

Interestingly, hoopy didn't wait for a 5th. Why? Is is to incriminate rong? Did he just want to go out with a bang?

[Luco]

Rescind that bold luco. Even if you stick on hoopy let's wait for JKDS's thoughts before we finish the day in case he has something useful to add.

This kinda works in your favour rong, weird. If you're witch then you're uncoordinated.

[Luco]

Well played. Hmm Luco and jkds then?

WTF? Hoopy has been on my shitlist since the moment rong turned on me. I stated exactly why I didn't want to do him first.

Ok so no bonding. We need to talk strat. A random finger still screws us. If we have two possible witches and force them to finger we could pull this out. Right now I am liking the jkds/Luco combo. But my mind can be changed. I think it's very possible that the Luco bold before the hoopy snap finger reeks of a timing tell.

There's a timing tell alright. That no 5th says something. Why are you pushing me & jkds over everyone else?

I'm seriously considering a Luco Lynch myself. I think the whole hoopy/jkds/Luco thing was a poorly contrived idea at the end with Luco bolding hoopy and hoopy falling on the sword to take out what they think is the best villager

My theory on the jkds non-lynch says you're a villager, yet you haven't taken your eyes off me at all? Why?

[Luco]

You're doing yourself no favours jyms.

[Luco]

Luco: Lock Villager
-Starts the game with "ARRRRROOOOOOOOO".....yeah....+VP. Luco seems very trolly and smart, but still. Wolves just dont. Even if lucowolf did, he wouldnt do it his first game due to pressure. This is a town tell.

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-Does name hoopy a villager in p359...but he also calls gabe a witch. If gabe was a planned kill, (hoopy was first to talk about lists), then this is +VP. Meh on this point honestly. Still, massive lock villager.

I decided on the aroo post pre-game so you can literally read nothing into that. Regardless of what I flopped that would have been my first post. I noted Hoopy's response for sure and even when I said he could be villager I also said he could just be laying low.

At the time when I said gabe was a witch, I really wanted him to be. He was my first srs stab at witch hunting. I really looked hard for gabe evidence too, in my first village map I even said I'd been trying to confirm my suspicions without success.

PS, ++VP for the detailed analysis, way more in one post than pascal / hoopy have done all game.

PPS I'll wait till someone else is in before continuing

PPPS rescind because the day is long

[rong]

Luco, looking at your post above, #667, Luco/JKDS I'm obviously all over. Not a fan of pascal/long as I'm not certain pascal is a wolf and if I finger a villager its game over. pascal/daven I'm not sure of. I really need to go over both of their posts, should have done it last night but I'm on a heater at the tables and wanna ride the wave while it lasts. (10k hands, 14bb/100 ftmfw!)

[rong]

Luco did you just edit that post? That's against the rules, I don't care as its your first game but as and FYI for the future its a modkilling offence.

[Luco]

Luco did you just edit that post? That's against the rules, I don't care as its your first game but as and FYI for the future its a modkilling offence.

I added the PS's yes, didn't know it was modkillable but I definitely won't do that again then.

[Luco]

I just didn't want to add another post as I'd taken over another page and no-one was here, no harm intended