Playing Sets OOP

[supa]

Some things to note about the monkeys' math that should be considered by newer posters because it isn't always evident. We will pretty much never flop 12 sets over 100 hands. sometimes we'll flop none and sometimes we'll flop a bunch more. 12% will only be realized over a large sample.

What also isn't being considered and might not be worth considering is when we lose to set over set or flopped flushes or whatever.

[Icanhastreebet]

What also isn't being considered and might not be worth considering is when we lose to set over set or flopped flushes or whatever.

It is worth considering. Something monkey isn't considering which is super important is we'll flop a set and won't get paid a tonne of the time. This is why we want like 15x+ if you are using some quick and easy rule. Of course we'll win some pots etc at showdown but this isn't going to happen very often with weaker v 3b ranges.

Also the times we do get coolered set v set, flush over set, straight over set we are losing our entire stack so it's obviously a pretty large factor and since we are "setmining" we are pretty much never set over setting the other guy in a 3b pot.

[DoubleJ]

errr...guys - it's not a 3Bet pot:-

$0.15/$0.30 No Limit Holdem
5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($30) 100bb
CO ($49.26) 164bb
BTN ($44) 147bb
Hero (SB) ($29.70) 99bb
BB ($53.16) 177bb

Pre-Flop: ($0.45, 5 players) Hero is SB
1 fold, CO raises to $0.90, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.75, 1 fold

Flop: ($2.10, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.80, Hero calls $0.80

Turn: ($3.70, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2.50, Hero raises to $6.60, CO folds

Final Pot: $12.80

Hero wins $12.37 (net +$4.07)

CO lost $4.20

[supa]

It is worth considering. Something monkey isn't considering which is super important is we'll flop a set and won't get paid a tonne of the time. This is why we want like 15x+ if you are using some quick and easy rule. Of course we'll win some pots etc at showdown but this isn't going to happen very often with weaker v 3b ranges.

Also the times we do get coolered set v set, flush over set, straight over set we are losing our entire stack so it's obviously a pretty large factor and since we are "setmining" we are pretty much never set over setting the other guy in a 3b pot.

The reason I said it might not be worth considering is that even though we're gonna get coolered sometimes we're gonna give coolers just as often over time.

In a vacuum, if we always get it in with our sets and so does every villain, we're all gonna get coolered the same amount of time and it's a wash. The only way this changes is if we can lose less when we're beat.

Iunno, maybe I'm trippin.

[MadMojoMonkey]

In a vacuum, if we always get it in with our sets and so does every villain, we're all gonna get coolered the same amount of time and it's a wash. The only way this changes is if we can lose less when we're beat.

Iunno, maybe I'm trippin.

This assumes our range is identical to Villain's range. As long as we set-mine a tighter range than Villain, we will cooler them more than we get coolered.

If we never set-mine w/ 66- and Villain always set-mines w/ 55+, then we're less likely to have the under-set, over the long run, right?

Maybe I'm trippin?