Playing Sets OOP

No reason to raise OTF or OTT.

You called 0.75 pre-flop, I assume this is to set mine.
You need ( 8*$0.75 - $1.35 = ) $4.65 more of Villain's money in the pot to do this profitably.

Villain gave you ( $0.80 + $2.50 = ) $3.30.
So you need at least ( $4.65 - $3.30 = ) $1.35 more from Villain to profitably set mine.

Villain has not paid you off yet, and a min-raise is more than you need, and likely to scare him off. You have another street of betting to come.

Call turn and bet $1.50 on river. Raise it back for value, obv.

Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

No reason to raise OTF or OTT.

You called 0.75 pre-flop, I assume this is to set mine.
You need ( 8*$0.75 - $1.35 = ) $4.65 more of Villain's money in the pot to do this profitably.

Villain gave you ( $0.80 + $2.50 = ) $3.30.
So you need at least ( $4.65 - $3.30 = ) $1.35 more from Villain to profitably set mine.

Villain has not paid you off yet, and a min-raise is more than you need, and likely to scare him off. You have another street of betting to come.

Call turn and bet $1.50 on river. Raise it back for value, obv.

Wait what? That's confused me. I thought we needed 18-20x what Villain 3bets to be able to set mine call profitably? Or have I got this completely mixed up with something else?

If I raise 0.06 and Villain 3bets 0.18 I thought I needed Villain to have at least $3.24 behind to make the call profitable to set mine???

Originally Posted by Cobra_1878

If I raise 0.06 and Villain 3bets 0.18 I thought I needed Villain to have at least $3.24 behind to make the call profitable to set mine???

If it was $0.01/$0.02 and you were in MP, with Villain in CO, and all other players folded.
First: Your initial raise was for value. It does not count toward the current decision. It is dead money in the pot.
Bet to you: $0.18 - $0.06 = $0.12
To profitably set mine, you need 8*$0.12 = $0.96 total from the pot.

Pot: $0.01 + $0.02 + $0.06 + 0.18 = $0.27

$0.96 - $0.27 = $0.69 you must get from Villain's stack into the pot.

As I mentioned, if Villain has 2 - 3 times the minimum you need, then that's a much better spot to set mine than if Villain can barely pay you off.

Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

If it was $0.01/$0.02 and you were in MP, with Villain in CO, and all other players folded.
First: Your initial raise was for value. It does not count toward the current decision. It is dead money in the pot.
Bet to you: $0.18 - $0.06 = $0.12
To profitably set mine, you need 8*$0.12 = $0.96 total from the pot.

Pot: $0.01 + $0.02 + $0.06 + 0.18 = $0.27

$0.96 - $0.27 = $0.69 you must get from Villain's stack into the pot.

As I mentioned, if Villain has 2 - 3 times the minimum you need, then that's a much better spot to set mine than if Villain can barely pay you off.

OK, that is making sense now and I have been folding way too many middle PP's to 3bets haha.