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    jfc if we could all post accurate ranges there would be no reason to post would there?

    4b cib. fold if the UTG jams call if fish does

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    pretty straightforward here, I like a 4bet. I think folding is asinine though; and a cold-call is slightly better.

    The conditional probability of a 59/11 being a fucking idiot is pretty high. The conditional probability of a 59/11 3betting only QQ+, AK is not high, even if he is somehow aware that UTG+1 is a nit opening from EP.

    In summary: 4-bet>call>fold.

    Nit's range is probably something like AQ+, 99+, with perhaps a side of KQs (this works out to 5.4%). Moron's range can be anything from TT+, AK, to a bunch of other retarded bullshit. 59/11. Dude has no clue, he may think of 3betting AJs there for value. "Oya, he's passive, he's calling almost 6x as much as he's raising pre"----> if you think this implies an ultratight 3bet range from a player of this caliber at 5nl where we now have to fold QQ then please get a fucking clue.

    As an aside, it'd be nice to know if he's positionally aware at all - if not...

    also I want to smack openside for saying this is a cold fold, seriously dude what the fuck.
    Last edited by Penneywize; 03-08-2011 at 01:31 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penneywize View Post
    pretty straightforward here, I like a 4bet. I think folding is asinine though; and a cold-call is slightly better.

    The conditional probability of a 59/11 being a fucking idiot is pretty high. The conditional probability of a 59/11 3betting only QQ+, AK is not high, even if he is somehow aware that UTG+1 is a nit opening from EP.

    In summary: 4-bet>call>fold.

    Nit's range is probably something like AQ+, 99+, with perhaps a side of KQs (this works out to 5.4%). Moron's range can be anything from TT+, AK, to a bunch of other retarded bullshit. 59/11. Dude has no clue, he may think of 3betting AJs there for value. "Oya, he's passive, he's calling almost 6x as much as he's raising pre"----> if you think this implies an ultratight 3bet range from a player of this caliber at 5nl where we now have to fold QQ then please get a fucking clue.

    As an aside, it'd be nice to know if he's positionally aware at all - if not...

    also I want to smack openside for saying this is a cold fold, seriously dude what the fuck.
    Jesus Penney, forget to take your med.s this morning? I play horribly oop. In this position, cold-calling, i am folding to 12/9's shove and if he comes along i am shitting myself and c/f to any action if an A or K hit the board. Bc i play so badly and bc i have no reads i get out cheap. Reads>hud imo.

    EDIT: making potentially stack size decisions based upon a 40 hand sample size with no reads is why i don't 4bet here. I am not arguing against your line of thought. I'm stating that bc of my post-flop play that folding is the lesser of two evils for me.
    Last edited by Openside; 03-08-2011 at 11:04 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Openside View Post
    Jesus Penney, forget to take your med.s this morning? I play horribly oop. In this position, cold-calling, i am folding to 12/9's shove and if he comes along i am shitting myself and c/f to any action if an A or K hit the board. Bc i play so badly and bc i have no reads i get out cheap. Reads>hud imo.

    EDIT: making potentially stack size decisions based upon a 40 hand sample size with no reads is why i don't 4bet here. I am not arguing against your line of thought. I'm stating that bc of my post-flop play that folding is the lesser of two evils for me.
    meh sounds like u need to work on ur confidence bra. yeah I was a little harsh. I get like that sometimes. lopl
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikes View Post
    jfc if we could all post accurate ranges there would be no reason to post would there?
    This is exactly why he needs to post ranges
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikes View Post
    jfc if we could all post accurate ranges there would be no reason to post would there?
    you ever get tired of trolling the BC?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kfaess View Post
    you ever get tired of trolling the BC?
    This too.

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