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  1. #1
    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    Blinds are at 100/200 with no antes.
    The payout structure is $5, $3, $2.
    Four-handed, here are the stacks before blinds:

    BB 5000 (Hero)
    SB 1000
    BU 100
    CO 7400

    We're dealt AA, the CO shoves, and it's folded to us. What's our play?

    Any reply that doesn't include some range for CO and some ICM calculations is going to get deleted.
    I'm not much of a tournament player, so my strategy currently consists of trying to incite shoves via the chatbox ("Are you gonna just sit there and let him BET INTO YOU LIKE THAT?, etc.) and quietly folding my way into the money. The best part about this strategy is that it doesn't require any math.

    I don't understand COs range for a shove here? If the shortstack BTN has a hand worth calling with, a limp call from CO would still cover the BTNs stack? Or, if CO is trying to steal the blinds, wouldn't a more normal raise be best? This must be a well known strategy to push with a certain range in a situation like this, but if I was the CO, I don't see WHY I would expose my stack here, when the money is so close? How can I win the blinds (300 chips; ~1/16th of the worst case effective stack) often enough... So I guess he's praying for a call from a worse hand, meaning he has AA?

    In which case, Hero's AA is a fold. Why play AA when it's a 1:1 dog? That's the worst possible time to play AA, compounded by the fact that the money is still one place away.

    Obviously, there's a reason I don't play tournaments, and if I knew what ICM calculations were, I would've included one. Maybe somebody can help me out instead of mocking and locking like last night? This is the BC, right?
  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by manfredi View Post
    I don't understand COs range for a shove here? If the shortstack BTN has a hand worth calling with, a limp call from CO would still cover the BTNs stack? Or, if CO is trying to steal the blinds, wouldn't a more normal raise be best? This must be a well known strategy to push with a certain range in a situation like this, but if I was the CO, I don't see WHY I would expose my stack here, when the money is so close? How can I win the blinds (300 chips; ~1/16th of the worst case effective stack) often enough... So I guess he's praying for a call from a worse hand, meaning he has AA?

    In which case, Hero's AA is a fold. Why play AA when it's a 1:1 dog? That's the worst possible time to play AA, compounded by the fact that the money is still one place away.

    Obviously, there's a reason I don't play tournaments, and if I knew what ICM calculations were, I would've included one. Maybe somebody can help me out instead of mocking and locking like last night? This is the BC, right?
    SNG's are totally different from cash games. On the bubble, big stack will typically shove a really really wide range and everyone else will have to fold or risk bubbling, so big stack can just hoover up the blinds.
  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by couriermike View Post
    SNG's are totally different from cash games. On the bubble, big stack will typically shove a really really wide range and everyone else will have to fold or risk bubbling, so big stack can just hoover up the blinds.
    Ah, I get it. Using the bubble to your advantage when you can't be bubbled. So he's shoving with like 30% here? It still feels lilke a whole lotta risk for only a little reward... or is he just keeping the short stack short so he can't stick around?
  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by manfredi View Post
    Ah, I get it. Using the bubble to your advantage when you can't be bubbled. So he's shoving with like 30% here? It still feels lilke a whole lotta risk for only a little reward... or is he just keeping the short stack short so he can't stick around?
    probably close to 100%

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