4NL Is this allin write or rong?

[spoonitnow]

In before spoon!

http://http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/beginners-circle/how-analyze-calling-all-173396.html

^^ This + http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ds-162741.html = More analysis in your post

[Tasha]

^^ This + http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ds-162741.html = More analysis in your post

But Spoon, it is Hero who is going all-in not calling an all-in. Doesn't that change things a bit?

[jaytoi]

But Spoon, it is Hero who is going all-in not calling an all-in. Doesn't that change things a bit?

Yeh it is a bit different. The decision on whether or not to call an all in is a little easier because we factor in our equity vs opps shoving range at that point and deduce whether the pot gives us odds to call or not i.e. if it's +EV.

However, the decision on whether to flat, shove or fold is made on the deduction of the most +EV action. Not only do we have to calculate whether our shove has enough combined fold equity and equity vs our opps calling range to be +EV, we also have to figure out whether or not it's more or less +EV than flatting or folding.

So in a sense it's a tougher decision to make in quite a few ways.

[spoonitnow]

But Spoon, it is Hero who is going all-in not calling an all-in. Doesn't that change things a bit?

Not if you change the action so that Villains shoved, since that's what their bet sizes basically do. If they fold any part of their range at this point it's +EV for us.

[Tasha]

Not if you change the action so that Villains shoved, since that's what their bet sizes basically do. If they fold any part of their range at this point it's +EV for us.

I actually managed to follow all of this thread up till this point.