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As the title says. I'll try to spin all of my answers into being poker advice-related.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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"how can i win money at poker"
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"Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire."
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How can m2m win money at poker?
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You love being asked questions, my friend.
I'll try kicking this thread off: How do you keep yourself from becoming bored with poker? Do you ever want to shoot yourself after playing too much poker?
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That's how winners play; we convince the other guy he's making all the right moves.
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Good question BooG.
How often do you play?
What are some things you do to get ready before a session?
What does your exercise schedule/diet look like?
A lot of people on the forums know you have more than your fair share of troubles with irl issues, how do you keep those from affecting you during your session?
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Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
"how can i win money at poker"
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People have often brought up whether you need X intelligence to make it to Y level in poker. I think a much bigger indicator of potential success, at least up to ~$100-150/hr is a person's ability to follow directions and approach the learning process in anything resembling a good way. I think that's the single thing that keeps most BC posters from ever making 6 figures at poker.
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How can m2m win money at poker?
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I think m2m's biggest leak is that he's Canadian. Another important leak is he chats too much while grinding. Okay I'm just guessing at that, but I'm a good guesser.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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How do you keep yourself from becoming bored with poker? Do you ever want to shoot yourself after playing too much poker?
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Research has shown that boredom with a subject and involvement in the learning process are inversely proportional. So, I'm always trying to learn something. Picking apart the games of regulars I play with is fun too.
I don't get to play enough right now to approach "too much poker". I'm usually wanting to shoot myself for other reasons, though.
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Originally Posted by dranger7070
Good question BooG.
How often do you play?
What are some things you do to get ready before a session?
What does your exercise schedule/diet look like?
A lot of people on the forums know you have more than your fair share of troubles with irl issues, how do you keep those from affecting you during your session?
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Every chance I get, which isn't nearly as much as I'd like. Usually 2-3 small sessions a day, probably an average of 1000-1200 hands per session.
Usually one or more of the following: Take a minute to consider my level of focus, take a shower, use the bathroom, meditate, grab food and beverage, idk normal stuff.
Crap and total crap. It's going to catch up with me one day.
Good question. My best guess is that I spent so much time training mental skills before this or poker came along that I'm able to mostly handle it, or at least better identify situations where I'm not going to be able to handle it so I don't play. I've had two total breakdowns in the past year and a half where I didn't do much besides take care of Michelle-related stuff and sleep for a week or so. They both happened around the time things got really bad and she was put in the hospital, etc. There were a few other times where I came close but pulled myself out of it, including this last time she was in the hospital (she got out yesterday).
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Michelle OK?
If someone doesn't have as much time to study as others do, can the someone still become a decent player?
If you wrote a book about poker what would be the Table of Contents?
Why does M2M say "Eh" and "aboot" and how can we cure him of this?
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"Just cause I'm from the South don't mean I ain't got no book learnin'"
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...we've all learned long ago how to share the truth without actually having the truth.
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what happened to your website? i only just found it when it disappeared.
how important do you consider studying poker, in relation to playing? obviously it differs between 600nl regs and me due to skill levels, it just seems so easy to play way more than i should compared to studying, playing like an inattentive robot and eroding what little edge i (might) have in my games.
do you see poker as your livelihood for much of the foreseeable future or is it just a transitional thing while you do school/whatever
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
I think m2m's biggest leak is that he's Canadian. Another important leak is he chats too much while grinding. Okay I'm just guessing at that, but I'm a good guesser.
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Ooh, do me, do me.
More questions to come soon.
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Originally Posted by Sasquach991
Michelle OK?
If someone doesn't have as much time to study as others do, can the someone still become a decent player?
If you wrote a book about poker what would be the Table of Contents?
Why does M2M say "Eh" and "aboot" and how can we cure him of this?
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Relatively.
You can't get good at anything without putting in a certain amount of quality practice. If you were so limited that you were unable to do this for poker, then no you couldn't. It's like anything else.
I'll answer a different question instead. Off of the top of my head, topics in order of how I would coach a standard BC 10nl'er if I knew they would work hard: Psychological Training, Introduction to EV and Equity, Basic EV calculations, Introduction to Value Betting, Common Themes in Value Betting, Introduction to [Semi-]Bluffing, Common Themes when [Semi-]Bluffing, The False Dichotomy of Value Betting vs Bluffing, Planning Hands, Introduction to Ranges, Card Removal and Patterns, Introduction to Hand Reading, Identifying Strong Weak and Balanced Ranges, Common Themes in Exploitative Play, Common Themes in Balanced Play, Advanced Introduction to Ranges, ISF's Theorem, Simple ISF's Theorem Applications, Intermediate ISF's Theorem Applications.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Originally Posted by rpm
what happened to your website? i only just found it when it disappeared.
how important do you consider studying poker, in relation to playing? obviously it differs between 600nl regs and me due to skill levels, it just seems so easy to play way more than i should compared to studying, playing like an inattentive robot and eroding what little edge i (might) have in my games.
do you see poker as your livelihood for much of the foreseeable future or is it just a transitional thing while you do school/whatever
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I took it down out of frustration with trying to help people who don't want to be helped. It's something like the third time I've done that. I have the contents saved somewhere. It's about 50% me playing with Google seeing what I could rank for, 40% me typing out things I'm thinking about to help better clarify my thoughts, and 10% standard poker topics that have been ran into the ground over and over.
I'll make up a rule. I think if you're not making the kind of money you want, you should spend about 25%-50% of your total poker time studying. If you are making the kind of money you want, that could probably be closer to 5-10%. But one hour of focused practice or analysis is better than five hours of half-assing it.
My situation is complicated. Right now in terms of flexibility, poker is the only way I can see to hold everything together. Ideally it would just be a way to finish putting myself through school, like it was originally.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Ooh, do me, do me.
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I think your biggest leak is that you don't respect the game. What I mean is that it's not very high on your list of priorities, like say your school work. It's probably because you didn't grow up really poor or whatever so your drive is probably more towards something like making your family proud or socializing than being financially independent at a young age. Keep in mind I'm not judging, just an observation.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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You should just make a thread called "Ask Spoon About Your Biggest Leak."
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That's how winners play; we convince the other guy he's making all the right moves.
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I think your biggest leak is that you don't respect the game. What I mean is that it's not very high on your list of priorities, like say your school work.
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sounds grossly familiar.
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I'll answer a different question instead. Off of the top of my head, topics in order of how I would coach a standard BC 10nl'er if I knew they would work hard: Psychological Training, Introduction to EV and Equity, Basic EV calculations, Introduction to Value Betting, Common Themes in Value Betting, Introduction to [Semi-]Bluffing, Common Themes when [Semi-]Bluffing, The False Dichotomy of Value Betting vs Bluffing, Planning Hands, Introduction to Ranges, Card Removal and Patterns, Introduction to Hand Reading, Identifying Strong Weak and Balanced Ranges, Common Themes in Exploitative Play, Common Themes in Balanced Play, Advanced Introduction to Ranges, ISF's Theorem, Simple ISF's Theorem Applications, Intermediate ISF's Theorem Applications.
roughly how many hours of coaching would this course entail? i mean just to explain the content, assuming the student puts in enough time out of hours in learning and understanding it?
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bout tree-fiddy
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How many hours per day do you think you spend helping others with understanding poker?
Do you believe you would be playing higher stakes had you focused that time/energy on your game?
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Way to try and ruin the BC, bitter-stax :P
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Way to try and ruin the BC, bitter-stax :P
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lol
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hey guys, if you ever make a snap call on the river when your opponent raises you're fucking retarded.
Fucking. Retarded.
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What do you enjoy most about playing poker?
What do you enjoy most about teaching poker?
What stakes do you generally play it? Why? Do you want to move up?
Is your enjoyment in playing maximised at those stakes or just your financial return given your bankroll? Is there a difference?
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hey guys, if you ever make a snap call on the river when your opponent raises you're fucking retarded.
Fucking. Retarded.
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Way to try and ruin the BC, bitter-stax :P
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Those are legitimate questions.. I have no qualms over Spoon helping people, as he's the person I give most credit to getting me started out right.
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What do you think motivates you to give up so much of your time to help other people better themselves?
Putting aside the obvious importance of learning away from the tables: At the tables what do you think the most damaging leaks of a microstakes player are? What about a 50nl-100nl reg? Do you think they have any in common?
Do you think that Sisyphus would ultimately have found contentment in his eternal punishment of pushing the same rock up a mountain, knowing with all certainty that that was all there was to his existence?
How do you feel about Absurdism, and in particular the idea that while the pursuit of meaning in this life will fail, meaning (perhaps as a coping method) can be found in the pursuit?
Do you believe there is such a thing as society? If ultimately it were your choice, would you choose to be an active and productive member of society or live wholly sustained outside of it?
Why do birds suddenly appear everytime you are near?
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Those are legitimate questions.. I have no qualms over Spoon helping people, as he's the person I give most credit to getting me started out right.
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You know I <3 you and only kid.
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You should just make a thread called "Ask Spoon About Your Biggest Leak."
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The majority of good advice in 2nl/5nl/10nl stats threads that get put up could be summarized with the following three points:
1. Stop open-limping
2. Tighten up out of position
3. Loosen up in position (ie steal more)
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Originally Posted by rpm
roughly how many hours of coaching would this course entail? i mean just to explain the content, assuming the student puts in enough time out of hours in learning and understanding it?
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The hell if I know.
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How many hours per day do you think you spend helping others with understanding poker?
Do you believe you would be playing higher stakes had you focused that time/energy on your game?
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Over the past 6 months, maybe 30 minutes/day on average.
Not really. The stakes I play aren't so much a function of that. Additionally, most of that time is spent working on my game. The random topics I come up with in IRC and so on aren't so random after all.
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Way to try and ruin the BC, bitter-stax :P
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Pretty standard.
I'll answer more questions later.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Good thread.
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Why can't I join the IRC? It says I'm G-Lined.
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What do you enjoy most about playing poker?
What do you enjoy most about teaching poker?
What stakes do you generally play it? Why? Do you want to move up?
Is your enjoyment in playing maximised at those stakes or just your financial return given your bankroll? Is there a difference?
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Making money.
I enjoy teaching in general. I've taught/coached a number of things from chess to wrestling to math. It's also one of the main ways I gain a deeper understanding of myself and what I'm doing.
For a few weeks I've been playing 25nl just because it's an easy $20/hour and I've been totally stressed the fuck out. My situation is pretty atypical. I'd rather be breaking into mid-stakes like I was a couple of years ago, but life doesn't allow for that atm.
I pretty much hate it but I don't have much of a choice right now unless I get staked, and I very much dislike playing on a stake for cash games.
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Those are legitimate questions.. I have no qualms over Spoon helping people, as he's the person I give most credit to getting me started out right.
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Standard.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Originally Posted by Dex
What do you think motivates you to give up so much of your time to help other people better themselves?
Putting aside the obvious importance of learning away from the tables: At the tables what do you think the most damaging leaks of a microstakes player are? What about a 50nl-100nl reg? Do you think they have any in common?
Do you think that Sisyphus would ultimately have found contentment in his eternal punishment of pushing the same rock up a mountain, knowing with all certainty that that was all there was to his existence?
How do you feel about Absurdism, and in particular the idea that while the pursuit of meaning in this life will fail, meaning (perhaps as a coping method) can be found in the pursuit?
Do you believe there is such a thing as society? If ultimately it were your choice, would you choose to be an active and productive member of society or live wholly sustained outside of it?
Why do birds suddenly appear everytime you are near?
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Because I'm retarded.
For microstakes they just have no fucking idea why they're doing what they're doing 90% of the time and don't think about what their opponents ranges are. If you're betting, and you don't know why you're betting, you're making a mistake. At small stakes, right now people seem more concerned with trying to "outplay" each other than trying to play well and that leads to so much spew it's hilarious.
If I remember it correctly, Sisyphus' punishment was selected specifically for him because of his level of cunning. For this I don't think he would ever find satisfaction or be content.
I assume that there is no point to our existence, though I couldn't prove that. More importantly I don't think it matters. Something having "a point" is so subjective that if there was a God and he or she came down and said okay the point of all of this is _______, then there would be people who had the opinion that _______ was stupid. However, on a similar topic I think that in all things worth doing, we gain more from the process than from the end result.
I think if you believe that society exists, than you're admitting that you're a part of it by definition, no matter what you choose to do. If you don't believe that society exists, then that's similar to not believing that relationships exist.
Because there are birds everywhere here.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Why can't I join the IRC? It says I'm G-Lined.
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Your IP or one similar is banned from the network. I can't do anything about that, you'll need to contact the network admins for thundercity.net and see what's going on.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
People have often brought up whether you need X intelligence to make it to Y level in poker. I think a much bigger indicator of potential success, at least up to ~$100-150/hr is a person's ability to follow directions and approach the learning process in anything resembling a good way. I think that's the single thing that keeps most BC posters from ever making 6 figures at poker.
I think m2m's biggest leak is that he's Canadian. Another important leak is he chats too much while grinding. Okay I'm just guessing at that, but I'm a good guesser.
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indeed, hmmm...
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"Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire."
Check out my blog here!
"You are a degenerate Gaam-balur"
http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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sounds grossly familiar.
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It's a common theme. For further reading on the opposite, consult Machiavelli's idea of the "New Prince".
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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If I remember it correctly, Sisyphus' punishment was selected specifically for him because of his level of cunning. For this I don't think he would ever find satisfaction or be content.
I assume that there is no point to our existence, though I couldn't prove that. More importantly I don't think it matters. Something having "a point" is so subjective that if there was a God and he or she came down and said okay the point of all of this is _______, then there would be people who had the opinion that _______ was stupid. However, on a similar topic I think that in all things worth doing, we gain more from the process than from the end result.
I think if you believe that society exists, than you're admitting that you're a part of it by definition, no matter what you choose to do. If you don't believe that society exists, then that's similar to not believing that relationships exist.
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Pretty awesome answers, thanks. In Albert Camus' treatise on Absurdism, The Myth Of Sisyphus, he concluded that without the burden of finding meaning in life, as with his fate settled there was nothing else to consider, Sisyphus would accept this and find meaning in the struggle. As Camus believed there was no point to life, acceptance of this and meaning found in the journey was the preferable option compared to the two others - suicide and God. I guess Camus seemed to think that having defied the devil once, hence his punishment, Sisyphus would just be a total pussy quitter the second time. Or maybe it's a slightly awkward metaphor for finding freedom in letting go. Perspective right? Camus is definitely recommended reading material.
All of which brings me to my next question - cat person or dog person?
Also, 3 books you think people should be obligated to read?
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These questions are probably gonna be fairly loosely worded, so feel free to just give your thoughts on anything related.
As a maths guy, you obviously put a lot of emphasis on that side of poker, which comes through in the way you teach analysis. What about the mental side of poker- I'm sure we all find ourselves in situations where on some level we know we should fold but we make the bad call, etc. etc., or even ignoring that kind of obvious mental struggle, we all have times when we make arbitrary decisions because we're not focussed, and the like.
What kind of things do you do to improve on that part of your game? Here I mean more in terms of over a long period of time, rather than tips like having a shower before session (although if there're any more of these sorts of things you haven't mentioned, chuck 'em in).
You mentioned meditation- It's something I've had vague interest in for a few years, due largely to my brother being fairly into it, going to retreats, etc., but something that I've never properly pursued. However, watching Tommy Angelo's series on Deuces Cracked brought it back to the forefront of my mind, and I'm now trying to practice daily. Any advice, tips, other words of wisdom that you have on the subject, related or unrelated to poker?
Oh, and thanks for your response to my earlier question, it's probably a fair call to say that the drive isn't as pressing as it could be, due largely to the fact that it's the norm in the group of people that I interact with to live off of student loans, and so it doesn't bother me that I'm doing that, as much as it perhaps should.
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All of which brings me to my next question - cat person or dog person?
Also, 3 books you think people should be obligated to read?
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I don't really like either, but I can stand being around them.
I'll answer a similar question since I can't really come up with an answer to the one you asked. Here are three non-poker books I think people who want to perform well in poker should read: The 50th Law by Robert Greene, The Art of Learning by Josh Waitzkin, and Zen in the Art of Archery by Eugen Herrigel.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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I don't really like either, but I can stand being around them.
I'll answer a similar question since I can't really come up with an answer to the one you asked. Here are three non-poker books I think people who want to perform well in poker should read: The 50th Law by Robert Greene, The Art of Learning by Josh Waitzkin, and Zen in the Art of Archery by Eugen Herrigel.
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Fucking love Waitzkin.
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Originally Posted by kiwiMark
These questions are probably gonna be fairly loosely worded, so feel free to just give your thoughts on anything related.
As a maths guy, you obviously put a lot of emphasis on that side of poker, which comes through in the way you teach analysis. What about the mental side of poker- I'm sure we all find ourselves in situations where on some level we know we should fold but we make the bad call, etc. etc., or even ignoring that kind of obvious mental struggle, we all have times when we make arbitrary decisions because we're not focussed, and the like.
What kind of things do you do to improve on that part of your game? Here I mean more in terms of over a long period of time, rather than tips like having a shower before session (although if there're any more of these sorts of things you haven't mentioned, chuck 'em in).
You mentioned meditation- It's something I've had vague interest in for a few years, due largely to my brother being fairly into it, going to retreats, etc., but something that I've never properly pursued. However, watching Tommy Angelo's series on Deuces Cracked brought it back to the forefront of my mind, and I'm now trying to practice daily. Any advice, tips, other words of wisdom that you have on the subject, related or unrelated to poker?
Oh, and thanks for your response to my earlier question, it's probably a fair call to say that the drive isn't as pressing as it could be, due largely to the fact that it's the norm in the group of people that I interact with to live off of student loans, and so it doesn't bother me that I'm doing that, as much as it perhaps should.
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I'd just like to note that I only try to put emphasis on the most basic level of math needed to understand what's going on in basic scenarios and to have the ability to analyze spots that require math (like pot odds, etc.)
I think a good place to start, like we talked about in IRC, is the systematic cultivation of willpower. Find something that's physically easy to do, but mentally tough to do (and preferably something you don't want to do), and practice doing it. That takes care of a large portion of tilt and focus issues at the table.
Meditation is really important. There are different kinds of meditation though, and a lot of activities can become meditation, especially those kinds of things I'm talking about in the paragraph above.
It's not a good thing or a bad thing, it's just there. If there was a chair in a room in the way, and you wanted to move it, you'd just scoot the thing over. It's not a good chair or a bad chair, it's just there. Same thing.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Schya
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How you keep from ever going on tilt during your long sessions? If you get it in with the best several times during one session and lose does it not get to you? And how did you come to be so insensitive to the beats at the table?
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What should one look for when selecting a table? Also, where is the ideal spot to sit down - to the left or to the right of deep-stacked players & short stacks?
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What should one look for when selecting a table? Also, where is the ideal spot to sit down - to the left or to the right of deep-stacked players & short stacks?
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The table itself doesn't make much of a shit, it's really the seat that usually matters. Things you can take advantage of in the players to your left and right. For example, people who fold their blinds 90%+ of the time are great to have on your left. People who fold to 3-bets 90%+ of the time are great to have on your right.
All things being equal, you'd rather be to the left of a deep-stacked player than to the right. With that having been said, it's difficult to play well pre-flop if there's a good 30bb or less player on your immediately left in blind stealing scenarios.
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How you keep from ever going on tilt during your long sessions? If you get it in with the best several times during one session and lose does it not get to you? And how did you come to be so insensitive to the beats at the table?
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You can't play your best 100% of the time, and so you're going to tilt sometimes no matter what you do. What you CAN do is make it so you tilt less often, and make the times you tilt not as bad.
I've not tilted in a very long time from a beat or cooler, and I know a lot of people who feel the same way. I just don't care because it's not important. You probably care so much because you don't understand poker and/or EV. You're simply not SUPPOSED to always win when you get it in ahead. If you're playing 100nl with $100 stacks and there is some guy pushing every single hand preflop and you get it in with AA, you're SUPPOSED to lose that about 15% of the time (about 1 time out of 6).
So what probably happens is you get it in and you think to yourself something like YES I WON A STACK and then get crushed emotionally when you lose instead of thinking YES I JUST MADE A PLAY THAT'S WORTH ABOUT $70 ON AVERAGE and not even watching the rest of the cards come because you give so little of a shit about the outcome and have other tables to act on.
As far as how I became so insensitive to beats, it's more of the same thing. It's like asking how I became so insensitive to it raining whereas you might get pissed off if it's raining. I have no reason to care, so I don't care. Surely you have more important things to worry about.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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describe me using 3 adjectives.
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[11:11] <+bikes> bitches love your face
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if there was only one tip you could give to a new player, what would it be?
just ONE! i know you have many more to give, but for the sake of the question you only have 15secs to tell someone your greatest tip....shoot!
and something other then "never open limp" cause I already read that one, lol
oh and one more, have you ever considered coaching? Cause I want to find one bad
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describe me using 3 adjectives.
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Regulative, Red, Pro.
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if there was only one tip you could give to a new player, what would it be?
just ONE! i know you have many more to give, but for the sake of the question you only have 15secs to tell someone your greatest tip....shoot!
and something other then "never open limp" cause I already read that one, lol
oh and one more, have you ever considered coaching? Cause I want to find one bad
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Approach this like you would a school subject that you really wanted to make an A+ in. Poker will change your life if you respect the game and give it the effort it deserves.
I've coached a number of players, but I'm not interested in doing it anymore right now. Feel free to come to IRC and talk poker with the people there, including myself.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Great tip! glad to know you think that is the most importat aswell..
Excuse my newbness but what is IRC?
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"Those who say it can't be done, shouldn't interrupt those who are doing it"
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Great tip! glad to know you think that is the most importat aswell..
Excuse my newbness but what is IRC?
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http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...-a-153854.html
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Does it bug you when people call it math when they are really talking about arithmetic?
On a personal note...
I've been recently diagnosed with IFLPPRPS (Inability to Fold Low Pocket Pairs Regardless of Position Syndrome). The doctors say there's no cure, but what's your opinion?
I've taken to self-medicating myself by wearing an elastic band on my right wrist and snapping it hard if i don't make a set on the flop. This however doesn't stop me from open limping said pairs. I guess the first part of solving a problem is admitting you have one. My name is Mike and I'm an open limper. Phew feels a bit better already.
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Isn't arithmetic just a branch of "math" anyway?
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Originally Posted by van.dog
Does it bug you when people call it math when they are really talking about arithmetic?
On a personal note...
I've been recently diagnosed with IFLPPRPS (Inability to Fold Low Pocket Pairs Regardless of Position Syndrome). The doctors say there's no cure, but what's your opinion?
I've taken to self-medicating myself by wearing an elastic band on my right wrist and snapping it hard if i don't make a set on the flop. This however doesn't stop me from open limping said pairs. I guess the first part of solving a problem is admitting you have one. My name is Mike and I'm an open limper. Phew feels a bit better already.
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No, arithmetic is a branch of mathematics. I don't get upset when people call it math instead of algebra either.
Small pocket pairs are probably the most over-rated starting hands. When they do hit the flop they hit the nuts, but other than that you rarely have much equity. Hands like 65s play much better than hands like 33. Along a similar line of thought, I feel like right now small and middle suited-connectors are the most under-rated starting hands.
It's like this. If you can't stop open limping, then how are you ever going to tackle less subtle leaks in your game, make tons of money, and live like a fucking king? Open limping in NLHE is just so terrible for you right now.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Thanks Spoon.
I'm going to try not to be a filthy open-limper any more. And I'm folding 33 like a mofo post flop when i don't hit.
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Why is 56s better than 33?
Show me some of that math stuff.
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"Just cause I'm from the South don't mean I ain't got no book learnin'"
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...we've all learned long ago how to share the truth without actually having the truth.
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