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  1. #1

    Default 99 where am I?

    Standard raise Preflop facing unknown.

    I was tempted to pull that final trigger until the flush came up, is that sound reasoning?

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Hero (MP1) ($2.14)
    MP2 ($3.97)
    CO ($3.18)
    Button ($3.20)
    SB ($4.75)
    BB ($0.79)
    UTG ($2.13)

    Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9, 9
    1 fold, Hero bets $0.06, 1 fold, CO calls $0.06, 2 folds, BB calls $0.04

    Flop: ($0.19) 8, 6, 6 (3 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $0.12, CO raises to $0.24, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.12

    Turn: ($0.67) 4 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.42, CO calls $0.32

    River: ($1.51) K (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

    Total pot: $1.91 | Rake: $0.05


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    Got another one,


    Since this level is notorious for playing with any Ace, was my bet on the turn a correct one? I tried representing the Ace since I raised preflop.


    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    UTG ($2.89)
    MP ($5)
    Button ($4.72)
    Hero (SB) ($2)
    BB ($3.63)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 10, 10
    UTG calls $0.02, 2 folds, Hero bets $0.08, BB calls $0.06, UTG calls $0.06

    Flop: ($0.24) 10, K, Q (3 players)
    Hero bets $0.12, BB calls $0.12, 1 fold

    Turn: ($0.48) J (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.26, BB calls $0.26

    River: ($1) 9 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BB bets $0.54, Hero folds

    Total pot: $1 | Rake: $0.05
    Last edited by ArcadianRock; 04-03-2010 at 09:59 PM.
  2. #2
    Take it from someone who has rebuilt at 2nl multiple times. You are over thinking this limit. You cannot represent anything because they are not considering your hand in that way. When you get raised at 2nl your 1 pair is behind A TON.

    Honestly all you have to do at 2nl is wait for someone to GIVE you their stack. People are making waaay too many mistakes and you WILL profit from them. Dont force anything and let the game come to you.
    Last edited by cleanup.that; 04-03-2010 at 11:52 PM.
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    in hand 2, theres gonna be a ton of hands that will pay of a larger flop bet. like, KJ, KQ, KT, QT, AK, AQ, and several club draws probably all pay off a larger bet, and are willing to stack off. considering the hands that beat us (AJ, J9, KK,QQ) we have solid equity against most...and those that we dont shouldnt really be there all that much anyway (KK,QQ). So there really isnt much reason to bet halfsies on the flop.

    hand 1: i dont really have much to say here cuz its kinda weird...but villain cant really have enough flush draws to justify changing whatever our plan is when a flush card hits can he?
  4. #4
    You have a point, I should probably just keep firing with over pairs until I meet resistance.

    edit: For the second hand, I just bet half because I know how consistent people are at calling with air so I'm trying to build the pot, not to mention trying to outprice any draws that might be out there.
    Last edited by ArcadianRock; 04-04-2010 at 12:12 AM.
  5. #5
    You wont ever price out draws especially on the flop. Pot that flop and 23cc will call you lol
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  6. #6
    For the first hand I like your PFR. I like your CB on the flop, although I slightly prefer a smaller bet size. When we get a flop raise, I don't like it at all. There are three very strong possibilities here. First, your opp could have you crushed, with a six or a higher pocket pair. Second, your opp could be overplaying a weaker hand, 8x, overcards like AK, draw/draw+pair combo or a smaller unimproved pocket pair. Third, he could just be spewy with air -- plenty of those types at this limit (note 2 & 3 have some overlap). One of the things that makes hand reading at these limits so hard is that the players are so bad THEY don't know what they have or they know what they have but don't how to bet it properly. We really don't know where we are at in this hand, but number 1 is a strong possibility. One that demands strong consideration.


    The strategy I like here is to go into a trap/pot control, loose passive strategy that will allow you to profit in cases numbers 2 & 3 above but avoid massive loses just in case number 1 above applies. If you are overly aggressive you risk having your bluffy/spewy opp and maybe your overplaying opp decide to fold leaving you with only your very strong opp. That's the last thing we want !


    If we decide to continue to play this hand we should give betting control to our aggressive opp. It's ok to give up control sometimes.
    Thus, I hate your raise on the turn. I prefer either folding to the flop raise or checking and calling if the bet sizes are reasonable. There is no reason to commit 23 BBs after your flop CB. That's just too much for a very mediocre hand, especially by the river. IMHO.
    Last edited by shallam; 04-04-2010 at 10:07 AM.
  7. #7
    --Hand #2---

    You could PFR just a little more here in good position with TT. One formula is 4xBB + one for each limper. So here that means 5x rather than 4x. On the flop we have significant good and bad news. The good news is that we have a set. Nice! The bad news is that this is an extraordinarily wet, rich, board . There are a ton of very strong draws and some very strong made hands including hands that beat us like two different straights and of course bigger sets. Also while we have a draw to a full house if an overcard appears we might not have the best full house. This is a dangerous hand and we could easily go broke. Given the strength of your hand and your stack size it will be hard to avoid going broke if things get crazy on the flop.


    The strength of our hand warrants a solid CB, but we are far from thrilled with our circumstances. I think your flop CB is too small. Why so small ? I would bet more like 2/3p or the full pot.


    The turn is an utterly disgusting card, that might be the single worst card in the deck. While I would have been willing to go broke on the flop, I'm not willing to go broke anymore. Our hand just got downgraded from a power hand, probably the best hand, to a drawing hand. We should play the hand on that basis by checking. If our opp bets we'll need to see if we have the right odds to draw to a FH**. This board should also scare our opp, unless he has a straight or a flush. Let's try to avoid losing big.


    I don't like your bet on the turn. I think you should check here. I like your check fold on the river. That's a big bet & almost certaintly indicates a straight or a flush.


    I think you could have saved some money here.


    ** BTW, I was a little confused by the sequence in the hand history. If you had position shouldn't it show your opp checking as the first action on the flop and turn ? Also on the river, the sequence doesn't make sense. Sorry if I'm missing something.
  8. #8
    1) Why are you check raising the turn? If it's to protect against a BDFD then it needs to be bigger as you give him nearly 4-1 as played.

    I think his range for c/r'ing flop is 8x,6x,88,66 and maybe T9, call flop then c/c these tiny bets.

    2) Bet larger on flop since there is so many draws and value to be had from worse hands, oop vs 2 people I'd bet near full pot with all my value and semi bluff hands and just c/f everything else.

    Why are you trying to represent the A on the turn? Think about your opponents range and how it will react to a bet or check. Implied odds also come in use with a set in this spot.

    As played good river fold, you are always beat in this spot at 2NL.
  9. #9
    Hand 1, I raise more PF, bet/call flop is fine imo. He's raising 8x, 6x, random straight draws, missed overs, etc. Turn I just c/c, yea he's probably calling with 8x, but the times you get it in you're going to be behind. Basically once I bet/call the flop, I'm turning into a station since I expect to see 8x a really large portion of the time here, especially with villain us lolodds.

    Hand 2, betting the turn is fine, you have a fuck ton of outs if you're behind, two pair is calling all day, pair + turned FD are calling. Ax is probably raising, 9x will likely just call as well. River, as played if we miss I don't hate a c/f or a b/f for a really really gay size.

    PS: I had no idea you were still posting lol. Been a while!
  10. #10
    hand 1 fold on the flop
    hand 2 overbet the pot Bet around 1.5x the pot and you are gonna get called by lots of kings and str8 and flush draws.
  11. #11
    Oh and raising the turn in hand 1 was very bad.
  12. #12
    Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9, 9
    Hero bets $0.06, CO calls $0.06, BB calls $0.04
    Flop: ($0.19) 8, 6, 6 (3 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $0.12, CO raises to $0.24, Hero calls $0.12
    Turn: ($0.67) 4 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.42, CO calls $0.32
    River: ($1.51) K (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

    Hand #1
    Bet the Turn. What range were you putting him on. I don't see the reasoning behind the check raise here.

    You Check Raise the Turn and then Check/Call on the River.
    Complete confusion.
    Last edited by Roller; 04-06-2010 at 10:56 PM.
  13. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by Roller View Post
    Hand #1
    Bet the Turn. What range were you putting him on. I don't see the reasoning behind the check raise here.

    You Check Raise the Turn and then Check/Call on the River.
    Complete confusion.
    I guess he was scared of the flush and didn't want to commit anymore money?
  14. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by Horace View Post
    I guess he was scared of the flush and didn't want to commit anymore money?
    Then why not bet the turn. By checking he of course gives free cards to flush draws. He was probably behind once his c/r was called
  15. #15
    holy shit i haven't seen arcadian rock in like a year. welcome back!

    we obviously need reads for villains in both hands. but assuming they're unknowns, lead turn in hand 1, most 2nl'ers will continue with worse. as played, river is fine.

    hand 2: bet the flop much bigger. this is like the dreamiest flop ever 'cause he's continuing with a million gazillion hand combos to any bet sizing. on the turn, if we're betting, it's for value, but idk which is better here tbh

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