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    Hello All

    I know that having a hand chart for 6 max nl is not considered good but It provides a guideline for players that are just getting in to poker like myself.

    I play 10nl and I have put together a hand chart from reading and watching different material online.

    I just need you guys opinions on it and what adjustments to make to it.

    Link: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/75444219/1.%...d%20Chart.docx

    WeiJie
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    You're over-thinking your pre-flop strategy a bit. It's fine, I'm known to over-think just about everything. (Sometime, ask me why I don't defend PP in EP and MP anymore; I once sang the praises of doing so.)

    Actually, I'd probably limit the use of a chart like this to something you use when you're going over your HH. Use it as a rough outline and not a blueprint. Don't become too firmly attached to these ranges, use them as a guide.

    If all villains were identical, then a chart like this would be golden. However, take any set of concrete rules with a grain of salt, as they say. Be willing and ready to adapt your play as you gain reads on villains.
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    I didn't read everything but I think going through the exercise of making a chart is probably good because it forces you to think about hands/position etc. That being said I wouldn't use one as a rule.

    my 2 cents - I would polarize my early position range more and cut it down, cut out the K-J Q-J crap and add some 7-6s type hands instead. I would also open much wider from the button/cutoff - open raise from button should be like 50% in my opinion.
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    <Insert usual caveat about opening charts>

    I'm dealing with the same thing at the moment, since I think I'm only just starting to get the experience and sample to start to make some informed decisions about what hands I'm opening and calling with profitably, I'm also going on advice from my coach.

    I'd tighten it up considerably utg, fold the smaller PPs (88 and smaller) utg, and fold like 7s and smaller in the hijack. The small PPs just have no playability whatsoever and you end up OOP stabbing at the flop with a 2 outer if you get called. Of course, if the player IP are tight and the blinds are donkeys, loosen it up a bit but the smaller PPs I'd still fold, and add some more SCs and the crappier offsuit broadways that are still ahead of a droolers calling range.

    Loosen up the cutoff and button to like 35% and 50% respectively - open any 2 suited cards from the button, and any offsuit hand with any playability at all. Remember the purpose of opening super wide from the button and cutoff is not to steal the blinds, but rather to play pots in position against them, it's OK if they fold preflop, but you also want to play hands that have good potential to let you stay appropriately aggressive on the turn without spewing with no equity, that way you also take down a ton of dead money on later streets.

    I'd also tighten up in the SB to like a hijack range, or even utg if there's an aggro or stationy BB, with a nitty bb, go wild.

    I'd also call less, and 3bet more, with a single raise in front on the cutoff or button - you can probably 3bet basically anything in your calling ranges to good effect, but of course it depends on who you're 3betting - if they call a ton, tighten up to an appropriate value range that has good equity against what they are calling with, fold most other stuff, if they fold a lot 3bet them with both the very top of your value range (that is ahead of what they do call or 4bet with) and a ton of utter crap with no playability whatsoever that you would otherwise have to fold - this way you end up extracting value from otherwise unplayable hands by brutally victimizing them for being a nit and you also show up with the nizzles when they call and you play a big pot.
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    I didn't really look at it because the link started auto downloading into my computer. WTF with that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by supa View Post
    I didn't really look at it because the link started auto downloading into my computer. WTF with that?
    you have to download it I made it in a word document and it put it in my dropbox public folder.
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    if you post the chart as an image in this thread you'll get more people commenting on it. I'm too paranoid to click links.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WeiJie View Post
    you have to download it I made it in a word document and it put it in my dropbox public folder.
    You're missing the point. I don't want to download it. Links posted here shouldn't start downloading shit directly into my computer. I don't even know how that works, but I don't want it happening. Apparently I have to just stop clicking links on FTR, which sucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by supa View Post
    You're missing the point. I don't want to download it. Links posted here shouldn't start downloading shit directly into my computer. I don't even know how that works, but I don't want it happening. Apparently I have to just stop clicking links on FTR, which sucks.
    It's not FTR or the guy's link. It's your browser. You're probably using Chrome which I believe auto-downloads them. Try clicking on it in Firefox, I think Firefox will ask you if you want to download it. A word doc file isn't exactly going to blow up your computer so your browser considers it low risk. If he linked to an EXE file then your browser would alert you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Galapogos View Post
    It's not FTR or the guy's link. It's your browser. You're probably using Chrome which I believe auto-downloads them. Try clicking on it in Firefox, I think Firefox will ask you if you want to download it. A word doc file isn't exactly going to blow up your computer so your browser considers it low risk. If he linked to an EXE file then your browser would alert you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    I'd probably limit the use of a chart like this to something you use when you're going over your HH. Use it as a rough outline and not a blueprint.
    ^^^^ this
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    Quote Originally Posted by WeiJie View Post

    I know that having a hand chart for 6 max nl is not considered good but It provides a guideline for players that are just getting in to poker like myself.
    Please read before you troll ! Thank you pal
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    Thaaat's still advice, namely that you should reconsider how to use a hand chart

    The trolling will probably begin soon.
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    I used a hand chart to start out because I had no idea what to play where. The only thing I knew about NL Holdem was hand strengths.

    Mine was based on this: 6 Max Starting Hands

    I stopped using it when I received these posts in my OP:

    Quote Originally Posted by jyms View Post
    The sooner you lose the preflop hand chart the better off you will be.
    Quote Originally Posted by kmind View Post
    I haven't looked at the chart but preflop depends so much on the table you are at, if it's a static chart you shouldn't be using it.
    Quote Originally Posted by jyms View Post
    Time to start thinking about your opponents hands and not yours.
    Quote Originally Posted by kb coolman View Post
    I think what Jyms is trying to emphasize is that you need to know why you're making a play. Charts don't help with this. Think about the hands you play in relation to your position and opponent tendencies.
    BTW, Probably not a good idea to accuse a FTR reg of being a troll. Nobody is required to help you. Any advice you get is a gift so treat it as such.
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    Cheers for the advice guys and to the guys that helped.

    Bye for now.

    WeiJie
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    Wow, I used to give some good advice
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    Quote Originally Posted by jyms View Post
    Wow, I used to give some good advice
    Every time I have a session where I run like dogshit, I always watch the "Jyms018" video from GS. Always makes me feel better
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    Oh god, I had forgotten about that, hehe
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    Quote Originally Posted by daven View Post
    if you post the chart as an image in this thread you'll get more people commenting on it.
    Agreed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    Agreed.
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