**** Elections thread *****

[OngBonga]

I'd rather mistakes weren't made at all.

Hello poop, welcome to the real world where everyone makes mistakes.

Independence from what?

Dictators. Tyrants. Other people making decisions on our behalf. People who claim to "know what's best for me" when really they know what's best for them and don't give a fuck about me.

Democracy in its current form doesn't always work for the reasons I've stated ad nauseum.

It works better than tyranny.

Equality is a liberal myth.

I'll admit it, this made me laugh. I consider you a liberal, so it's amusing I'm the one championing for equality. But you have a point... that equality is not something we truly have, nor should strive towards. That said, when it comes to the matter of democracy, then equality has to exist, otherwise we find ourselves in a position where corruption plays a role. Let's say a minimum IQ of 120 is required. Let's say I have an IQ of 115 and happen to be a millionaire. I'm sure I can pay for my IQ to be 120. This is just the first problem I see with a system that gives democratic rights to some but not others.

Why does this strike me as unlikely.

Because deep down you know in ten years time we'll be just fine.

For a guy who never leaves the house you sure have a deep understanding of how everyone else thinks and acts.

I was 16 once, so where my sisters, and I do have access to social media.

Well, my argument is more nuanced than that, but never mind go on with your ad bananums if it makes you happy.

So it's ok for you to break my argument down into "democracy aaarrrrggghhhh" but I can't break yours down to "fuck democracy"?

I can see why you don't like equal standards applied to all.

[Poopadoop]

Hello poop, welcome to the real world where everyone makes mistakes.

Hi Ong, welcome to my world where I let other people more qualified than I make some of my decisions.

People who claim to "know what's best for me" when really they know what's best for them and don't give a fuck about me.

Isn't this pretty much every politician?

I'll admit it, this made me laugh. I consider you a liberal, so it's amusing I'm the one championing for equality.

It is funny when someone with a black-and-white view of the world notices a shade of grey.

But you have a point... that equality is not something we truly have, nor should strive towards. That said, when it comes to the matter of democracy, then equality has to exist, otherwise we find ourselves in a position where corruption plays a role. Let's say a minimum IQ of 120 is required. Let's say I have an IQ of 115 and happen to be a millionaire. I'm sure I can pay for my IQ to be 120. This is just the first problem I see with a system that gives democratic rights to some but not others.

You can also pay to be 18 if you're not.

Because deep down you know in ten years time we'll be just fine.

Like how were 'just fine' after WWII? 'Cause I'd prefer a better standard of 'just fine' than that if possible.

[dwarfman3]

Hi Ong, welcome to my world where I let other people more qualified than I make some of my decisions.

Whilst this is obviously put terribly as it seems to be part of some sort of personal beef, this is absolutely the key point. The referendum should not have been run because the question asked was not appropriate to be decided by the wider public who, by and large, have (or rather had at the time) extremely limited knowledge of the pros and cons of EU membership. It was, simply, a mechanism used by David Cameron and his party to retain power in 2015.

BUT, the referendum has been run, and those in power should work to deliver on its result. The near insurmountable challenge is to both respect the result without causing hardship. The best solution to that is to move slowly enough on legislating so that the concept of Brexit is given ample opportunity to organically die some years from now in the face of a much more progressive and informed general public.