**** Elections thread *****

[dwarfman3]

Certainly most people thought it was more like remain with an over pair and leave with a suited connector.

The feeling was that Remain was even stronger than that - maybe I'm in a bubble because I live in London, which is the most pro-remain part of the country, but even on the day of the vote it was just inconceivable that Remain would lose.

I still remember how gobsmacked I was when the very first region's count came in (Newcastle if I recall correctly) and it was almost immediately clear that Leave were going to win.

[MadMojoMonkey]

I still remember how gobsmacked I was when the very first region's count came in (Newcastle if I recall correctly) and it was almost immediately clear that Leave were going to win.

*sigh*

I try to pay attention to both sides, but it's hard to find intelligent voices on either side.
It doesn't help that my voice is not very intelligent on political topics, and so I'm seeking something that is hard to know when I see it.
Do they disagree with me because they're wrong and stubborn? Or because I am?

Those intelligent voices don't seem to be attracting much media attention, and are going largely unheard by people seeking them.

[dwarfman3]

*sigh*

I try to pay attention to both sides, but it's hard to find intelligent voices on either side.
It doesn't help that my voice is not very intelligent on political topics, and so I'm seeking something that is hard to know when I see it.
Do they disagree with me because they're wrong and stubborn? Or because I am?

Those intelligent voices don't seem to be attracting much media attention, and are going largely unheard by people seeking them.

You wrote this as a response to my comment about how shocked I was to see Leave win in 2016. Did you quote the wrong thing? Apologies in advance if I'm being stupid and missing something, but this doesn't seem at all relevant to the post of mine you quoted

[MadMojoMonkey]

You wrote this as a response to my comment about how shocked I was to see Leave win in 2016. Did you quote the wrong thing? Apologies in advance if I'm being stupid and missing something, but this doesn't seem at all relevant to the post of mine you quoted

It was a tangent, but I quoted the right quote.

I lament the fact that it's all too easy to find an echo chamber and all too hard to find an intelligent discussion between people who disagree without getting or taking it personally.

I think I deleted the first part of my response because I was implying you are one of the people in an echo chamber, but I didn't really mean that or want to imply it. I pivoted into the difficulty of finding a non-echoic chamber. I lost track of the fact the my response lacked continuity without that, and so...

my bad.

It was never my intent to point a finger at anyone but myself.
I apologize if what inspired my introspection was in fact me thinking something ignorant and wrong about you.
(I mean... kinda... I'm not really that sorry, as I feel I recovered pretty well, but it would be nice if I didn't start from a place of being a jerk, ya know.)