**** Elections thread *****

[OngBonga]

I'll go further for your benefit, dwarfman. I think being a member of the EU has negative economic consequences. It hands power over to a body whose priority is not the people of the UK. If we want to trade with the USA, or China, or anyone outside the EU, we have to do so under EU terms. We are not economically sovereign.

If Brexit has negative economic consequences in the long term, then that is the fault of the government who will have mishandled the economy, not the fault of those who demand economic sovereignty. Japan's economy is just fine, despite them not being a member of a continent-wide bloc. How do you think the Japanese would react if they were forced into an Asian bloc dominated by China? Do you think that is what we in the UK should tolerate?

I assume you're American. From an American pov, you should want Brexit, since it will likely result in the British people buying more American goods. It will benefit your economy. What's your interest in us remaining?

[Poopadoop]

If Brexit has negative economic consequences in the long term, then that is the fault of the government who will have mishandled the economy, not the fault of those who demand economic sovereignty.

Brilliant.

"We won't be fucked, but if we are it won't be because of Brexit it will be because the government missed its golden opportunity."

[OngBonga]

Brilliant.

"We won't be fucked, but if we are it won't be because of Brexit it will be because the government missed its golden opportunity."

Well yeah. But by the definition of "fucked" you're using, we were also fucked after the financial crash, which might I remind you happened while we were a member of the EU. That wasn't because we were in the EU though, it happened because of bankers mismanaging the economy. I don't blame the EU for the incompetence of others. You shouldn't blame Brexit for us being fucked if it's due to government's incompetence, even if it would be convenient to do so.

Of course our economy can thrive outside the EU. Japan's does. USA's does. China, Brazil and India not doing so bad either. Switzerland are doing just great, Norway too. Oh and Canada. New Zealand and Australia, in terms of per capita. Why do we need to be in the EU to thrive? Why do we need to hand over economic control to an outside body? Why am I the crazy one for wanting us to be in complete control of our own affairs?