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  1. #1
    By the way, I looked into that Navy Seal guy that caused Oskar to get all that sand in his vagina. For anyone interested in sorting out the truth from the bullshit, here is the truth.

    Navy Seal guy is currently on trial. He is alleged to have done some bad things, but is entitled to the presumption of innocence. If he is guilty, then the system is working exactly as it should. He is under arrest, he has entered a plea, and he is entitled to a fair trial. None of this is in dispute.

    The guy that runs the place where the defendant is being kept - the military equivalent of a prison warden - has placed unusual restrictions on this particular defendant. The warden has wide latitude on this subject, and may not technically be breaking the law. However, the defense has some strong points as well.

    The guy claims he is forced to remain in uniform during unusual periods of time and is entirely denied access to civilian clothing. He is also restricted to an area without a proper cafeteria and is forced to live out of vending machines and convenience store food. If this is true, it is a violation of his 6th amendment protections against cruel and unusual punishment.

    The guy also claims that he is not allowed unsupervised access to a phone. Some kind of guard has to be standing over him at all times while he uses a phone in a public area. The presence of the guard denies him the ability to have a private conversation. Therefore he is literally unable to conduct a privileged conversation with his attorney. This would be a violation of his 5th amendment right to due process.

    It doesn't matter how heinous the man's crime may be, no citizen should ever be denied these rights. Period. End of discussion.

    Oskar claims that Trump "intervened". That's a really crummy way to put it. Trump exercised his power as commander-in-chief to overrule the prison warden and allow the Navy Seal guy to have the exact same accommodations as every other prisoner facing a military court marshal.

    That's all Trump did....enforce the constitution. He didn't let the guy off the hook. He didn't pardon him. He definitely did not "intervene" in the case. He simply stood up for the right to a fair trial. In Oskar-land, that means Trump is indirectly condoning child-murder. WTF??

    Oskar....if this guy is such a monster....wouldn't you *WANT* him to have a fair trial? Trump just nullified legitimate claims that this guy might have to an appeal. Why does that bother you?
  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post
    By the way, I looked into that Navy Seal guy that caused Oskar to get all that sand in his vagina. For anyone interested in sorting out the truth from the bullshit, here is the truth. ...
    Can't find any confirmation of what you wrote after this. The best I can find is the warden had a hard-on for this guy, not much more.

    Also, Trump claimed he was intervening owing to the guy's 'past service'. So, if the guy wasn't a 'hero' then Trump would be ok with his civil rights being abused?

    Something not quite adding up here.
  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Can't find any confirmation of what you wrote after this. The best I can find is the warden had a hard-on for this guy, not much more.
    So you're saying you did confirm the story. Great.

    Also, Trump claimed he was intervening owing to the guy's 'past service'. So, if the guy wasn't a 'hero' then Trump would be ok with his civil rights being abused?
    Stop. Throwing some platitudes to soldiers doesn't mean that the Trump did anyone any favors for any special reason.

    But regardless of Trump's reasoning....he's negated some potential credible grounds for this guy to appeal a conviction. That cannot be denied. I'm now asking you or Oskar to explain why that's bad?
  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post
    reductio ad bananum
    No, I'm saying the details of your story are difficult to corroborate. Just because the warden didn't like him doesn't mean he abused his rights.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post
    regardless of Trump's reasoning....he's negated some potential credible grounds for this guy to appeal a conviction. That cannot be denied. I'm now asking you or Oskar to explain why that's bad?
    So if you do the right thing for the wrong reasons you're moral?

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