Reparations

[oskar]

15th amendment was in 1870

Why does the average black household have 1/15th the net worth of a white household?

[TheSpoonald]

Why does the average black household have 1/15th the net worth of a white household?

The out of wedlock birth rate among black people is too high

The high school dropout rate among black people is too high

The rate of teenage pregnancy among black people is too high.

It's really hard to point the finger at racism if those things can't be cleaned up.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Why does the average black household have 1/15th the net worth of a white household?

The legacy of racism is strong in our culture. There's no denying it. A simple look at the recent census data for St Louis shows that white and black communities are very much still a thing. It's like half the city is one color, the other half the other color (red and blue on the census map, but whatever).

The legacy of institutional racism is still strong.

All of this is deplorable.

However, not caused by any active tempering by the feds. So you can't point your finger at the US gov't and blame them for the current state of things in any direct manner.
They'd have a claim that they've been actively trying to stamp down racism in law. It is illegal to discriminate based on race for any national matter, AFAIK.

So while there is this legacy... it's not been actively supported by the gov't for almost 150 years.

[TheSpoonald]

So while there is this legacy... it's not been actively supported by the gov't for almost 150 years.

Slow down there Abe. Black people had separate drinking fountains and got firehosed in your grandparents' time.

[oskar]

The legacy of racism is strong in our culture. There's no denying it. A simple look at the recent census data for St Louis shows that white and black communities are very much still a thing. It's like half the city is one color, the other half the other color (red and blue on the census map, but whatever).

The legacy of institutional racism is still strong.

All of this is deplorable.

However, not caused by any active tempering by the feds. So you can't point your finger at the US gov't and blame them for the current state of things in any direct manner.
They'd have a claim that they've been actively trying to stamp down racism in law. It is illegal to discriminate based on race for any national matter, AFAIK.

So while there is this legacy... it's not been actively supported by the gov't for almost 150 years.

Just because you can't single out one cause doesn't mean there isn't discrimination. You don't go from counterintelpro, Jim Crow laws and the migrant worker crisis to a post racial utopia in less than 50 years. Where do you get 150 years from?
A lot of people directly affected by those are still alive. Just because it's not happening currently, doesn't mean it has no lasting effect. If you start from a lower socioeconomic standing you're going to have less chances in life.

I get sick to my stomach every time someone points out what a success Trump is. He inherited 500 million. He could afford to fail over and over again, and still he defaulted on hundreds of millions more in loans, quite possibly being worth less today than what his father left him. If you come from a wealthier background you can fail a lot more often. The average white kid is backed by a family with 15x the wealth of the average black family. So if you're white you're more likely to be able to afford a better education, pay for a wedding, afford birth control, pay for tuition, take a risk on a business idea etc...

If you think the much lower socioeconomic standing of blacks in the US has nothing to do with the very recent history of systemic racial discrimination in the US I'd love for you to tell me why you don't think those are factors, and what your alternative explanation for such an enormous discrepancy in wealth is.

And while there is no federal discrimination, there is a clear discrimination in the courts. If you adjust for wealth these numbers would probably a lot closer since your net worth is directly tied to the sentence you can expect to get, but this is why I think reparations of a magnitude that would shock you are justified. You'd probably do that with a negative tax or something like that, but I think it's laughable that you can bail out billionaires for trillions out of the federal budget, but you can't spend money to fix shocking racial disparities in a post apartheid society.

https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/...on-race-booker

[TheSpoonald]

If you start from a lower socioeconomic standing you're going to have less chances in life.

85% of those born into the bottom quintile of wealth in America move out of that quintile within 1 generation. 15% of those at the top move all the way to the bottom. And there is shitloads of movement in between. What you just said there is only kinda-maybe true. "less chances", maybe. less than enough chances....no

I get sick to my stomach every time someone points out what a success Trump is. He inherited 500 million

Lots of people inherit 500 million. Only one of them is President. If you're telling me that Trump is not successful....you're out of your mind.

you're white you're more likely to be able to afford a better education, pay for a wedding, afford birth control, pay for tuition, take a risk on a business idea etc...

Condoms are less than a buck. Everything else on that list is not necessary for prosperity.

If you think the much lower socioeconomic standing of blacks in the US has nothing to do with the very recent history of systemic racial discrimination in the US I'd love for you to tell me why you don't think those are factors, and what your alternative explanation for such an enormous discrepancy in wealth is.

See post #25. Some science for ya. Teenage pregnancy, high school dropouts, and unmarried parents having babies. There is nothing systemic about that. None of those things are the result of racial discrimination. They're personal choices.

And while there is no federal discrimination, there is a clear discrimination in the courts. If you adjust for wealth these numbers would probably a lot closer since your net worth is directly tied to the sentence you can expect to get,

So just so we understand each other here, tell me if I understand this right. What you're saying here has no relevance or importance to anyone, black or white, who has not committed a crime, right? This only matters to criminals, right? So to avoid this problem...what must a young black man do, hmm? Hint: OBEY THE LAW

Do you think the Judges are racist? Or do you just think that poor people can't afford good lawyers? Is that the courts fault? Or the lawyers? Is that systemic? Or the market?

but this is why I think reparations of a magnitude that would shock you are justified

Who pays? And who gets paid?

but you can't spend money to fix shocking racial disparities in a post apartheid society.

Would spending money actually fix racial disparities? Are you telling me that if we institute reparations....then overnight black people will be completely equal across all dimensions and we can declare once and for all that we have a society free of racism?

No? No that probably wouldn't happen?

Then what's the point of reparations? if it won't help things....why do it?

How would you measure success? And if reparations are not successful.....do black people have to give the money back?

Could it be that the the DNC actually has no message for black people in 2020. Could it be that Trump's economy has actually helped the working class? Could it be that black people are actually doing alot better today than they were under a black president? How is that gonna win votes in 2020?

Could it be that the DNC is just pandering and fear-mongering? "Grrrr, the evil white man wants to hold you down...but we're gonna make him give you money, mwah ha ha ha!"

It's insincere. And it's a total power grab, just like their new push to get inmates to vote. The dems don't actually care about these things. They just see an untapped resource of votes, and will say anything to accumulate power.